Juan Mata

Last month Croatia U-21 played Spain U-21 and Mata was most wanted player after the match to give an interview. He showed last from dressing rooms and hold Giggs shirt in his hands. Reporters that were there asked him about Giggs,and he stated that he looked up to Giggsy ever since the started to play football and takes him as his own role-model. When asked what he thinks about succeeding Giggs at United,he responded that it would be dream come true,but he's still no where near Giggs class so don't think that move will come so quick.

I've never heard about this before.

As for how good he is? Well this season and the last, he hasnt been playing his best football of the season before when he was outstanding. But he's a bit like Nani in that while his performance consistancy isnt always great, he makes the difference for his side often with goals and assists.

The season before last he got 13 assists and 15 goals all comps, last season once again he managed 15 goals - this is the type of thing he could bring to us. But as I say, he could remind some of Nani with regards to overall performances. When he's on he's really good in general play too but there are plenty of times when he doesnt play that well and still scores or creates a goal or two.

Someone mentioned the Bursaspor match above, here are Mata's individual highlights from that match



Here are his goals and highlights from last season



And here is 2008/2009, his first season as an important player for Valencia. Behind David Villa he was their most important player that season at 19 years old



In terms of his ability I'd suggest his two main skills are great movement and great first touch.

He's a good crosser, certainly in 2008/2009 where he managed 13 assists, his crossing from the left was absolutely deadly. However I'd have to comment that last season his delivery wasnt as good. He's got good creativity and good ability at shaping and weighting a pass. He has good speed and dribbling skills and very good technical skill level

He's a good finisher and when he scores and when he's in goalscoring form he looks "clinical" but he also misses good chances sometimes. I think a comparison is there with Berbatov. If you watched a video of all his goals at United he'd probably come across as "clinical" but thats just not the word to describe his finishing. Over a season Mata scores a lot of goals for a left winger but its mainly down to his brilliant movement and first touch rather than straight up finishing ability. But its there and it should improve as he matures.

So how would he do in the premier league? I do think it would take him some time to get used to playing against more physical sides, but his elusive movement would be a real handful for anyone. So while it might take time before he was firing on all cylinders when on the ball, I think he'd be producing the goods in the final third right from the word go.

If anyone gets him for under £20 million this summer because of his contract situation I think they'll have achieved a coup. Real Madrid let him go for free :lol:
 
My problem is I wont lie to try and make a case to support a "classy" player, even if I see world beater potential in them. ....
No. Your problem is you just don't like Silva, so you play down his deeds and invent things about him. He has been playing on the left all season for City for the most part. It's Johnson who plays on the opposite flank of his best leg for them. He has also been playing very well for them, which you are trying your best to down play.
 
The only time he's played well on the left was against Chelsea
Even vs Arsenal he was on the left. Plus just like Milner he is allowed to switch flanks at will.

He's not a good left winger - thats why he's played multiple positions (in the hole, right wing) and not there as a main position, for the last 3 seasons.
:lol:
 
I don't think he's that good, if I'm being honest. Also he does not strike me as a proper left winger; seems more like a central attacking midfielder to me.

Try watching him play then?

Because he's played Silva's central role in the hole multiple times this season and hasnt been good.

He's a left winger that drifts, like Giggs does when he plays there. He can still provide width and get crosses in but he likes to move around and take advantage of his first class movement.

If you asked him to stick wide and get crosses in, he'd be easier to defend against. Especially if he was playing in the premier league as that would ask a lot of him on the ball and running at players, where he might notice the physicality of the premier league a lot more.

Instead he moves around and picks up positions that are hard to defend against, and with said movement and his great first touch he often makes a lot of time for himself when he receives the ball and is able to cross, pass or shoot before he can be closed down properly.
 
No. Your problem is you just don't like Silva, so you play down his deeds and invent things about him. He has been playing on the left all season for City for the most part. It's Johnson who plays on the opposite flank of his best leg for them. He has also been playing very well for them, which you are trying your best to down play.

You're a laugh riot. Sad thing is, you actually believe the bile and horseshit you come up with.
 
You're a laugh riot. Sad thing is, you actually believe the bile and horseshit you come up with.
The person who consistently spews ''bile'' and ''horse shit'' about David Silva is you. From his Valencia days still now. It's also very apparent you've deluded yourself into believing you are being objective about the player while doing it. It's truly hilarious really.
 
The person who consistently spews ''bile'' and ''horse shit'' about David Silva is you. From his Valencia days still now. It's also very apparent you've deluded yourself into believing you are being objective about the player while doing it. It's truly hilarious really.

Its really amazing the lengths you will go to, lying to defend a manchester city player. Have you blown your cover?
 
Its really amazing the lengths you will go to, lying to defend a manchester city player. Have you blown your cover?
:lol: Now you want to call me a City fan:lol:

No wonder they call you mcfeckwit. What. You've suddenly gotten amnesia and forgotten that I've been defending Silva from your bullshit long before City even thought him worth buying? So you are dumb enough to think that will stop just because he is now in a City shirt. Is that it? Clearly you think it wise to change opinion on a player just because of the shirt they re wearing.
 
Valencia winger and Spain international Juan Mata looks set to get his much awaited new contract in the coming days. Both Valencia and Mata's agent (his father, also named Juan Mata) have agreed to all the details, and the only thing left to be done is for the actual contract itself to be written up by the club.

Mata (who currently makes €800,000 per season) will see his wages increased to €1.6 million (net) per season. The contract will run until the summer of 2015, and Mata's new wages will take affect as soon as he signs his new deal. This will make Mata one of the five highest paid players at the club (David Albelda, Joaquín Sánchez, Vicente Rodríguez, and Asier del Horno all make more).

The buyout clause is rumored to be €60 million. However, when players are sold, the buyout clause is usually not met. It is used primarily as a starting point for transfer negotiations.

That leads to one of the strangest clauses in the contract. It has been agreed by both the club and Mata's agent, that any offer made by any club for Juan Mata must be discussed between the player, his agent, and the club, without a transfer fee being agreed between the two teams first, which is how transfers usually work.

To give a hypothetical example: A club can come in and offer Mata double his wages (€3.2 million net), and not offer VCF a transfer fee. Mata and his agent can then go to VCF and demand that those wages offered by the new club be met, and if they are not, then Valencia would be required to sell Mata, even if the transfer fee offered, and eventually agreed upon, is below the winger's market value.

Offers can be made to the club itself, or to Mata's agent directly, and then brought to the club.


Usually, the two teams involved in a transfer agree on the transfer fee first, and then the new club will negotiate a new contract with the player.

Also Mata played well against Almeria yesterday. Check out Valencia's second goal especially where he had a quality assist with a flick (About 1:45 in)

 
I remember seeing that clip during the WC. Seems like something Arsenal would do, the way they all go mental and surround him after doing a wee bit of skill.
 
I remember seeing that clip during the WC. Seems like something Arsenal would do, the way they all go mental and surround him after doing a wee bit of skill.

Wouldn't you?!! That was class :lol:
 
Class above everyone else on the pitch tonight.

He'd do wonders for our creativity and possession in the final third.

Him plus a good midfield player and we're sorted.
 
Class above everyone else on the pitch tonight.

He'd do wonders for our creativity and possession in the final third.

Him plus a good midfield player and we're sorted.

He's also older and vastly more experienced than anyone else in the Spain side. I was actually quite disappointed with him yesterday. Sometimes he tried to be a bit too fancy or carry on with the tippy tappy stuff rather than actually attack and commit the defender offering some penetration.

He's a good player, I was just disappointed with him last night.

For me the player that stood out for Spain was Martinez.
 
Why the hell not, we're short of wingers tbf, its all part of Fergies master plan, sign up every single winger on the planet and fit them all into one team, the mans a genius, next Stewart Downing!

The versatile playmaker can operate in several positions, including midfielder, left wing or as a secondary striker.

I'm not so sure about midfielder but he's a lot like our Giggs, he can play anywhere in attack. Also left footed, we don't have anyone like him. Basically he's the perfect Giggs replacement.
 
The commentator on today's Spain/Czech game said that United, Liverpool and City had all met with his agent/father recently, he is very talented and certainly would add something to any of the respective sides.
 
Highly readable piece on Juan Mata by the always excellent Sid Lowe.

Once the tipping point is reached departures become inevitable and the slide becomes harder to arrest than ever; what starts as an emergency solution risks becoming a permanent situation, the enshrinement of inequality and the inability to compete. Handled well, the effects can be palliated but, barring a sudden shift, the trend is unavoidable. Spanish soccer has reached that tipping point. Valencia certainly have.

David Silva and David Villa had to leave Valencia. The consequences of them staying were unthinkable. Lumbered with two stadiums -- one they could not sell and one they could not afford to finishing building, standing as an empty monument to the collapse in Spain's economy and the construction industry in particular, as well as the wastefulness of the former owner -- the club faced the possibility of disappearing altogether.

Manolo Llorente, the president, had rescued Valencia with the assistance of the local government but still needed to service the debt left by predecessor Juan Soler. Silva and Villa were the key, bringing in almost €80 million ($112M) with their moves to Manchester City and Barcelona respectively.

But if the consequences of them staying were unthinkable, the consequences of them going are concerning too. The initial, crippling debt remains and will do so until Valencia can find a buyer for Mestalla and, allied to the direction that Spanish soccer has taken, that serves to eclipse the country's "other" clubs -- of which Valencia is the strongest, finishing third for the last two years. The realization of that very fact only hastens it. When Silva and Villa left, they made the departure of other players all the more probable.

The tipping point had been reached. When Silva and Villa left, Valencia rebuilt remarkably well. With a sensible plan, and led by determined, skillful negotiators, they constructed a competitive side and still had a profit in excess of €45 million ($63M). But it was not competitive enough. Valencia won the league in 2002 and 2004. This season it finished 21 points behind second placed Real Madrid. And that was an improvement on last season.

Valencia is one problem, and the debt remains a hungry one. The players, conditioned by that situation, are another. All players want to win things; good players think they have to. When you can't compete, you leave. And when you depart, the team you leave behind can compete even less. It is a vicious circle. The hierarchy of clubs gets ever more defined. So far this summer, Valencia has been among the most active clubs in the transfer window.

Dani Parejo and Diego Alves have signed already. But that is a prelude to movement in the other direction.

The man nearest the exit door is Juan Mata -- both because he wants to compete and because Valencia know that he is the player most likely to raise a sizable transfer fee. He would make a superb signing for any number of clubs joining the queue.

Mata stepped out of the shadow of Villa and Silva to become the central figure for Valencia this season. Now, someone else will have to do the same.
Last summer Barcelona were among Mata's potential destinations; this summer, England is. Liverpool is a genuine possibility. Last summer resistance was possible with Silva and Villa to sell; this year it is futile. The good news for Valencia comes in the shape of a check for around €25 million ($35M), another lifeline provided by selling off the family silver.

The price may be a little steep but Mata is worth it. The son of a soccer player, he joined Real Oviedo at 12 and Real Madrid at 15. He won the European U-19 Championships with Spain in 2006 and was second top scorer, named Player of the Tournament. The Real Madrid Castilla side he joined in Spain's Second Division included Jordi Codina, Miguel Torres, Sergio Sánchez, Javi García, Estéban Granero, Rubén de la Red (who has been forced to retire with heart trouble), Adrián, and Álvaro Negredo. All of them are First Division players, but only one of those is still at Madrid -- and Esteban Granero returned to the club after a spell at Getafe. Opportunities were limited. So Mata, too, moved on -- forcing an exit to join Valencia at 19.

And that is where he met Ronald Koeman. Koeman is not exactly popular in the East coast: when Valencia sacked coach Quique Sanchez-Flores in week nine of the 2007-08 season, it was in fourth place, just four points off the top of the table; when it finally sacked Koeman, his replacement, they were 35 points off the top and just two points clear of the relegation zone. It had secured its worst away result in 25 years, its captain had taken the club to court, and players were queuing to leave.

But Koeman was largely obliged to act as he did by Soler. And, besides, he did one good thing: he gave Mata a chance, putting him into the side on the left of a front three, cutting in from the wing and combining with David Villa.
Few had heard of him at the start of the season; by the end, he had scored twice against Barcelona on the way to winning the Copa del Rey and was a virtual ever-present after Koeman took charge, playing 24 league games and scoring five goals.

The following year, with Koeman gone but the case convincingly made, Mata scored 11 times. The year after that, five. Then, last year, nine. A World Cup win followed, as did the match ball -- "stolen" and spirited away under his shirt. That was not the only thing spirited away: so were Silva and Villa. Valencia had to sell and it had to compete. Together, they are almost the paradigm of the player that leaves La Liga's lesser lights, big teams that can't quite be big enough: either you join Madrid or Barcelona or you leave Spain altogether.

It could have derailed Mata. The men he combined with best had gone; men he got on well with off the pitch as well as on it. Instead, at 22, he took responsibility. Intelligent and instantly likable, he has studied at university and is making strides with his English. Mata has been a remarkably consistent performer in at team that has often been erratic.

Fast, skillful, and creative -- dangerous heading up the left wing or inside from the right, dashing from deeper beyond the front two -- he has an impeccable touch and swift, precise passing. As he has shown at the European U-21 championships, he can also take a more central, playmaker's role.
He scored 10 times and provided 12 assists. Only four players provided more. And those are the ones that were taken: he provided 73 assists in total last season.

At the end of the season, the soccer statisticians at Opta put together a team of the season. Mata was one of only two outfield players included to play for one of Spain's "other" clubs - the other was Santi Cazorla. The pity is that when that happens, they tend not to be playing for one of those other clubs for very much longer.

Juan Mata looks like latest Valencia star*likely to exit - Sid Lowe - SI.com
 
I just don't want him to go to Liverpool.

He's ten times better then Downing, so to see him land up with the dippers will take the piss.
 
Fits into the half-winger, half-attacking midfielder position that Giggsy's created for himself very nicely I'd have thought, and gives us another left footed option, but we really don't need someone who's going to demand a first team place when we've already got Valencia, Nani and Rooney in his position already...IMO.
 
Fits into the half-winger, half-attacking midfielder position that Giggsy's created for himself very nicely I'd have thought, and gives us another left footed option, but we really don't need someone who's going to demand a first team place when we've already got Valencia, Nani and Rooney in his position already...IMO.

I'd say the goal is to constantly make the starting 11 better, in Mata's case he is comfotably better on the left than anyone we have in the team bar Giggs, so on that merit he'd make us better and would be a good signing IMO.
 
Can play on the right and behind the striker when needed to as well. Very good passer and very good delivery. Can take a good corner and has scored some nice freekicks too
 
I think he would be great in an Iniesta-like role in the midfield. He's got the balance, the passing, the vision and the work-rate for it in my opinion. Go on Fergie, what's the worst that could happen?
 
I think he would be great in an Iniesta-like role in the midfield. He's got the balance, the passing, the vision and the work-rate for it in my opinion. Go on Fergie, what's the worst that could happen?

Never played a CM role, isnt the best at tracking back and doesnt have the strength/balance to play such a role in the premier league
 
Never played a CM role, isnt the best at tracking back and doesnt have the strength/balance to play such a role in the premier league

Granted the PL probably wouldn't be the best place to experiment with a new role like that but I'd love to see how he would cope with it.
 
Granted the PL probably wouldn't be the best place to experiment with a new role like that but I'd love to see how he would cope with it.

Long term I'm sure he could be developed into that kind of role. But I think at least for the first season or so it would have some horrible results, even though coming forward he'd do a good job.