Disagree, Mata has been performing better al though he hasn't exactly been great either. Against QPR Mata offered more than RVP. On the basis of that, he did not deserve to be dropped, RVP did.
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The competition for places is brilliant, Falcao and van Persie both know if they don't deliver they'll lose their place to Mata.
Yeah, he scored last season, so what? He also scored 2 this season in games where he wasn't very good, in the other 2 games he was probably the worst player on teh pitch.
RVP has played 4 games since the start of the season, Mata has played around 10.
captain, star striker and van Gaals buddy. Obviously he will miss out, said it the moment we bought Falcao. Nothing against the lineup, i think with or without Mata the quality is there, but i just think he is the easiest to drop.
This remains to be seen. Atm I think non of them would run the risk of losing their place to Mata not even if they fell asleep on the pitch.
Not sure that's true given Mata has played better that either and is the one dropped for someone who isn't as good in the position he's playing as Mata is. Give we're pretty week defensively you'd imagine this is the time to maybe go to a 5 but we're not doing that cause it means dropping one of rVP/Falcao and maybe both if we really wanted to be solid.
Indeed.
Mata is the better no 10 in my opinion, and Rooney should be played as a striker.
They should both play imo, but only one of RvP and Falcao should start. I'm surprised Van Gaal seems keen on pushing such an unbalanced formation.
Chelsea situation all over again.
Don't think its that unbalanced really. They do more defensively with rooney there but don't keep possession as well probably. Either way there isn't much in it, RvP and falcao have linked up well so far so maybe it's worth persisting with them two up top.
Looks like his days are numbered.
No disrespect to your opinion because I know you're a great poster - but surely you can see it's unbalanced to have two number 9s starting every game together in a team that lacks defensive cohesion?
I hope I'm proven wrong today, but to me starting them both seems very odd.
Well as long as we play 4-3-1-2 there will always be two number 9s starting. No idea why you think that's so weird.
I'm disappointed. He really looked excellent pulling the strings against qpr
It should, be RVP who drops out
It should, be RVP who drops out
Doesn't look like it at the moment. Seems like RVP is undroppable as well.
But RVP is not in direct competition with Mata, is he?
I suppose it's Rooney vs Mata right now, with the former contributing more defensively. We didn't really look like missing him against Leicester, and it was probably much more difficult rival than QPR.
I suppose it's Rooney vs Mata right now, with the former contributing more defensively. We didn't really look like missing him against Leicester, and it was probably much more difficult rival than QPR.
I'd take RvP at his best over Mata at his best. Unfortunately to get RvP to his best, he needs to play more and more, which means sacrificing Mata.
Basically I hope it'll be worth it long term, because right now on 'form', RvP doesn't really deserve to play ahead of him.
All of them are in direct competition. Rooney for me should be up top with mata behind
He is. He could be dropped with Rooney moving up top with Falcao and Mata playing behind them.
Not sure that's true to be honest.
And between the WC and early this season he had injuries and fitness issues, so you can't really can't that as a period of which to recover form.
But it’s not one-for-one situation. Dropping RVP means we’re shifting Rooney for striker so that Mata can play no10.
I’m not really bothered by that line-up, IMO good decision after last week performance.
He's started every game this season except for the first game against Swansea and he started every game for Holland in the WC. All under LvG.
There has to come a point where his actual form RIGHT NOW determines whether he starts or not, surely.
Yes it is. Mata would come in for RVP. Directly replacing him in the team.
I know what you mean but comparing what these three bring compared to mata behind the two of them, mata plays basically as a striker so it's not that different. Just my opinion but mata just doesn't play as a midfielder for us, at least defensively he does nothing at all.
-------Blind-------
Herrera---Di Maria
-------Rooney-------
RVP----------Falcao
-------Blind-------
Herrera---Di Maria
-------Rooney-------
Mata----------Falcao
Like that?
Rooney was announced as undroppable and he's not going to drop RVP with whom he shares a great relationship. The obvious choice here is to drop Mata. Even though RVP-Rooney has never really been a good partnership.
He's being Mourinho'd again.
No. I mean he would be replacing him in the team with RVP replacing Mata on the bench. I don't he will be playing in his position. I mean he will be taking his place in the team. It's a very simple concept.
He had no pre season.
It's a real shame, because he's such a great bloke, but his suitability for van Gaal's system overrides the fact he's a great bloke.
Eh? You are aware rooney can play up top....right?
So how can that be a DIRECT COMPETITION if we're changing Rooney position also? And IMO Wayne is the reason we're not playing Mata, not RVP.
Mata must be thinking deja vu.
If RVP was injured wouldnt he play mata with Rooney up top? Of course they are all in completion for places.he also could play mata and Rooney in behind Falcao. It's a very flexible front line
Selling Mata would bother me far more than selling Welbeck did, largely because Mata is actually the best player we have at the club in his position.
Hopefully he wins LvG over but it isn't looking good for him right now...
Hopefully he wins LvG over but it isn't looking good for him right now...
Rooney does offer more overall as a no. 10 no doubt.
Thing is, in all my time watching United we've never really played with an out and out playmaker like Mata. It's usually a striker dropping deep like Rooney, Cantona, Yorke, Sheringham etc. or a midfielder pushing up like Scholes.
I'm not sure if we can accommodate a player like him at the moment especially with RVP looking really really good today.
Thing is, in all my time watching United we've never really played with an out and out playmaker like Mata. It's usually a striker dropping deep like Rooney, Cantona, Yorke, Sheringham etc. or a midfielder pushing up like Scholes.
I'm not sure if we can accommodate a player like him at the moment especially with RVP looking really really good today.
Because RVP and Mata are fighting a place in the starting XI. Basically there are 3 positions which Falcao, Rooney, RVP and Mata are competing for. Therefore they are in DIRECT COMPETITION with one another for those 3 positions. Your just being pedantic if you consider that not to be DIRECT COMPETITION. It's a very simple concept to be honest so I don't how you can't understand it!
Arguably RVP could be dropped to make way for Mata. We could play with Falcao as the long striker up top and have either Rooney or Mata play slightly on the wing.
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