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Will Falcao?

Will Van Persie?

Will Rooney?

No to RVP, maybe for Falcao, yes for Rooney.

But it's irrelevant. We did not miss Mata going forward yesterday which is what he brings to the team and Van Gaal's decision was vindicated by the way we played going forward.

Mata's QPR perfprmance was overrated on here as well and I said it then he should be the one that should be dropped not RVP. Van Gaal seems to agree.
 
Oh yea, because what we've been playing untill now was tiki-taka and we should get back to the 'United's way!' ( we haven't played that for last fecking 5 or 6 years but hey ) Right on then, bring on Ashley and Antonio to the moshpit, let's have fun.

That's why we would have been better off spending that 37m on a Marco Reus type winger, we all know Young and Valencia are not good enough. Mata was a panic buy another poor decision by Moyes.
 
That's why we would have been better off spending that 37m on a Marco Reus type winger, we all know Young and Valencia are not good enough. Mata was a panic buy another poor decision by Moyes.

But we haven't, we have bought one of the best CAM's in this league and given how rubbish our wings are, we'd be absolute idiots to play with wingers of Valencia or Young ilk now. You play to your strengths with what you've got, Mata is one of our best players.
 
Didn't LvG say that Rooney prefers to be played as AM?

Not sure mate. From my own observations it seems like its his favourite position since that's where he started off as a youngster. Its where we played him originally when RVN was his partner. However, the current Rooney doesn't have the same pace or explosiveness to beat a defender hence Im not even sure whether its the most suitable role for him! What I do like about him in that role is his ability to track back and help out the defence (compared to Mata).
 
He'll play the next game, judging on Van Gaal's comments regarding the difficulties of playing 2 pure strikers.
? Which comments?

Anyway, Mourinho got rid off Mata, but he is a very defensive coach anyway. He never ever would start with 3 strikers, let alone away from home. IF you drop Mata because of a lack of defensive stability, THEN you for sure can't play 3 strikers. Mourinho usually plays with one very hard working striker. He played with only Costa yesterday, who btw did more good defensive work (with "good" being the key, instead of just running around like a headless chicken) than our 3 strikers combined.
Dropping Mata because of a lack of defensive work would make sense if he started with one more midfielder or "defensive winger" instead.
However dropping him and then starting with 3 strikers doesn't suggest he was dropped in order to bring more balance/defensive structure, but it rather suggests that LvG isn't prepared to drop one of the three strikers. Which is extremely concerning.
 
He will in a sense that he is more inclined to work in a unit with the 3 midfielders behind him as opposed to the 2 attackers ahead of him, whereas Rooney's inclination is obviously to work more with the strikers then those behind him, which is one of his big problems when playing in the role.

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This is not really true, not for the Mata at United at least. As recently as against QPR, he was closer to a 3rd striker than a 3rd midfielder. He's a brilliant player but he's a final 3rd player. No David Silva that's for sure.
 
This is not really true, not for the Mata at United at least. As recently as against QPR, he was closer to a 3rd striker than a 3rd midfielder. He's a brilliant player but he's a final 3rd player. No David Silva that's for sure.

Agree with this and explains his goal scoring record. I think it's very naive to play Mata and 2 strikers, either we play him upfront with a striker or don't play him at all.
 
This is not really true, not for the Mata at United at least. As recently as against QPR, he was closer to a 3rd striker than a 3rd midfielder. He's a brilliant player but he's a final 3rd player. No David Silva that's for sure.

Nah I'd say that's not true, Mata covered a shit load of ground against QPR - he had the highest average whilst he was on the pitch. He was consistantly linking with the Midfield and bringing the ball into attack.

It's only when we didn't have the ball that he was stationed really high up the field - as it was his job to pressurise the centre-backs. When we had it though he was everywhere - and the stats back it up.
 
Not sure mate. From my own observations it seems like its his favourite position since that's where he started off as a youngster. Its where we played him originally when RVN was his partner. However, the current Rooney doesn't have the same pace or explosiveness to beat a defender hence Im not even sure whether its the most suitable role for him! What I do like about him in that role is his ability to track back and help out the defence (compared to Mata).
So we played him as a support striker/winger during the RvN/Ronaldo days. Made him the star striker and then he complained about our lack of signings. Bought two of the best players and he again ended up whining at the end of the season. We still granted him his wish, gave him a shiny new contract, played him in his favourite position (all this time with him being regressed) and now he is taking a position from a player better than him. FFS.
 
Not sure mate. From my own observations it seems like its his favourite position since that's where he started off as a youngster. Its where we played him originally when RVN was his partner. However, the current Rooney doesn't have the same pace or explosiveness to beat a defender hence Im not even sure whether its the most suitable role for him! What I do like about him in that role is his ability to track back and help out the defence (compared to Mata).
That was because our midfield was poor. It isn't now, there are enough quality players who can drop deep and do the job, so we don't really need him running all through the pitch all the time.
 
Even if Mata was dropped because of reputation I don't think it will be for much longer. RvP has to find form soon or he will be out, surely LvG can't stick with him for too long.
 
Nah I'd say that's not true, Mata covered a shit load of ground against QPR - he had the highest average whilst he was on the pitch. He was consistantly linking with the Midfield and bringing the ball into attack.

It's only when we didn't have the ball that he was stationed really high up the field - as it was his job to pressurise the centre-backs. When we had it though he was everywhere - and the stats back it up.

Mata only really came alive in the final 3rd and even then there was feck all creativity in his play which is something he's supposed to bring to the team. Even in his post match intervew he talked about getting into the box and scoring goals. When Rooney and RVP dropped deep-ish, at times he was the furthest man forward against QPR when we had the ball.

What he's done for us so far is score plenty of goals. Excellent but we have 3 other strikers who are all better at scoring goals given the service and if that's all he's going to provide then he puts himself at risk of being dropped.

fwiw I'd have started the same team that played against QPR, so in that repect Mata was a bit unlucky. But at no point did I think we missed Mata. In fact Rooney did a better job in creating chances than Mata. Clattenberg and everyone collectively losing their head was why we lost, not because Mata didn't start.
 
Mata should be our first choice no.10, tip of the diamond, we should dropped Rooney instead (or play him as striker)
 
That was because our midfield was poor. It isn't now, there are enough quality players who can drop deep and do the job, so we don't really need him running all through the pitch all the time.

I actually think Rooney could drop a little deeper to give more protection to our backline. There were times when we were a bit stretched yesterday.
 
I actually think Rooney could drop a little deeper to give more protection to our backline. There were times when we were a bit stretched yesterday.
If we are going to use a striker to do that work, we might as well not play him as one. There is no point, tbh.
 
I didn't realise there was such negativity towards Mata.

From my perspective I felt United lacked the more rounded fluidity that was shown against QPR. Personally I felt Mata linked up better and also did his fair share of tracking back. I don't like Rooney as a 10 because when he plays there he never stays there, he drifts everywhere around the pitch and I don't think it helps the team as much as many here are making out.

For me I was gutted to see Mata dropped yesterday. Agreed United scored 3 goals, 2 of them were similar to QPR in that they were scored or assisted by Di Maria, and of course the first one was good link up between Falcao and RvP. But as I said it didn't look as fluid. I think Rooney caused problems dropping back and getting in the way a little, especially with his mistake for the 3rd goal. I agree Mata was at fault for the 4th goal, but I didn't see a replay of it and he was clattered from behind, my first reaction was he was FOULED, but as they didn't show the replay of the tackle/foul I can't honestly say.

United were undone yesterday by a number of factors and it all started with the foul on Rafa then the dive and the penalty. Actually it started with their first goal where the ball was out of play before the cross. After the first penalty United did crumble but Leicester had momentum. They took it off United, it was only minutes before Falcao had nearly scored a fourth. But the minute they scored the penalty that all changed. The crowd got right behind their team and it energised them and sent panic throughout the United players. United were at complete odds for the 3rd goal and then it only got worse.

Then we come to the 5th goal where I though Blackett was fouled first. So you had a player on the pitch who should have been sent off in the first half and 3 of their 5 goals being contentious. I defy any team in the world to overcome odds like that. It truly was a disgusting display by the officials. Yes as fans we can feel hard done by and no matter what anyone says the officials did change the outcome of the game. However, none of that negates the fact that had United won it would have just papered over the cracks that were always there for all to see.

The defence looked like it just needed an experienced leader and a calming effect. Up until the FIRST penalty, Blackett was my man of the match, he was superb in the first half. I don't think the loss of Evans helped the defence or their mentality either. Is everyone also forgetting our best defender this year was also out injured? Phil Jones is a big loss, and maybe bigger than first thought. The defence needs a massive shake-up but I think when injury free, it will be far better than yesterday. I am interested to see how Rafael, Jones, Rojo and Shaw would work. I am sure we could get a half decent back 4 line up from our defenders, but this is where League Cup matches would help in trying them out. We have to wait until January for the FA cup and by then we could have new players to fit in again. It's all going to take time and patience.

LvG still has lots to do, but can anyone honestly say they thought different just because of one and a half games? Nobody has said United had a problem going forward or scoring goals. It was midfield and defence that were the problems. Losing Evra, Rio, Vidic is more damaging than anything. Sorry, but isn't that the same criticism Rodgers and Liverpool were getting on Saturday? Herrera and Blind struggled yesterday and you can see why LvG gave Vidal until the very last day to prove his fitness. He wanted more steel and more aggression. He obviously didn't buy Carvalho as he felt with Blind, United could cope until January where he will go again for Vidal or Strootman who many feel is his first choice.

LvG also knows about the defence and will try to sort that as soon as soon as he can get anyone to do so. But I must admit I am a little confused by LvG now. I understand he is still trying out new things, that much is obvious and he is seriously hampered by injuries, but I was confused after yesterday. Rojo said he was bought to play CB and Shaw sat out yet again. I couldn't understand that one, nor could I understand him dropping Mata when I felt RvP would have been dropped, especially after he said Rooney is always going to play. It's a problem for him now as I think RvP and Falcao linked up better than RvP and Rooney in the QPR game, but Mata worked better as the 10 (imho) Falcao also needs time too, but one has to go and whichever one it is will cause massive arguments on here, and i'm worried Mata will be used a a scape-goat on here and dropped by LvG. I honestly can't see why because United were so much more fluid with Mata as a 10. Especially after the QPR game where he was outstanding and linked up so well with everyone and United dropped noticeably when he was subbed.

Whatever happens we as fans are ALMOST back to square one again. However there is light at the end of the tunnel. United are devastating going forward and have a multitude of riches in the attacking options. The midfield IS better than last year and given time to adjust should get better over time. We have been unlucky with refereeing decisions and that surely has to change soon. And most importantly, and I fear this may have been overlooked. United WERE lucky this weekend. Lucky because Liverpool lost, Everton lost, and Tottenham lost and none of them were playing against 14 men like United were yesterday. Even the City v Chelsea draw was quite lucky in a way. So for that reason I feel a little more optimistic, and as LvG has said since the beginning, it's going to take time and no matter what, it's a feck load better than watching the shite last year and 100 times more exciting than watching 1700 crosses against Fulham.

Sorry for going off track there and for the exceptionally long post. It's just I haven't posted since the match and it all came out at once.
 
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The question is whether he helps us better control tempo. This is where we went wrong, the game should have been slowed down and possession maintained.
 
The question is whether he helps us better control tempo. This is where we went wrong, the game should have been slowed down and possession maintained.
+ 1. As soon as that penalty went in someone should have taken charge and dictated the play, slowing it down to mess up their rhythm. I saw Kagawa do it very often and I believe Mata would be capable if nobody else stepped up to the plate.
 
+ 1. As soon as that penalty went in someone should have taken charge and dictated the play, slowing it down to mess up their rhythm. I saw Kagawa do it very often and I believe Mata would be capable if nobody else stepped up to the plate.
It's not really Mata's forte. I agree that slowing the play and gaining control was needed, but Mata's very much a direct, 'final third player'. Actually, Kagawa would have been far more adept at helping us see that game out than Mata IMO.
 
It looks pretty obvious - IMHO at least - that LVG doesn't really fancy him. The rumours were there during the summer and Giggs had him out of the side as much as in when he was caretaker. It'll be a shame if he leaves and, from what I've seen, it won't really be his fault as such. He'll just have played for another manager who wants completely different things than he can offer.
 
I'm afraid we'll have to suffer the same as the Chelsea fans did with regards to Mata; the pain of losing the greatest, kindest and most huggable person on earth from our squad. :(

That said, I don't think he's exactly set the world alight for us so far. I expected so much for him after his initial appearances. He seemed to have such great vision for a penetrative past and the ability to execute them. But I feel like he's been playing within himself for a while, even if he's gotten among the goals consistently and probably been our most productive attacking player as a result. I just think he's got more to give, and I hope he gets a proper chance to find that something, because playing with Di Maria, Herrera, Falcao and / or a Robin van Persie who isn't glued to the grass in an offside position is exactly what he would thrive on.

But like I said, I fear that he might be marginalized. It all depends on how much patience and perseverance LvG will give his captain, oh captain and compatriot. They are all great footballers who will produce given time, just like Mata, and at the end of the day it probably comes down to which types of footballers LvG wants to execute his philosophy. It's still early days, but the signs aren't great for our Juan and only Mata.

Yeah yeah, I know, I'm grabbing my coat.
 
It looks pretty obvious - IMHO at least - that LVG doesn't really fancy him. The rumours were there during the summer and Giggs had him out of the side as much as in when he was caretaker. It'll be a shame if he leaves and, from what I've seen, it won't really be his fault as such. He'll just have played for another manager who wants completely different things than he can offer.

Were they? I remember stories suggesting that Mata had impressed LvG and was his favored #10.

Clearly that isn't the case now but I hope it's not as set as that. Mata might still get the chance to impress and take it.
 
Mata is by far our best #10. Rooney showed at the weekend he's nowhere near as classy as Mata in that role.

Mata and AdM feeding Falcao would be the way forward. Sadly, slot the captain in upfront too.
 
Mata is by far our best #10. Rooney showed at the weekend he's nowhere near as classy as Mata in that role.

Mata and AdM feeding Falcao would be the way forward. Sadly, slot the captain in upfront too.

Rooney did well. The bashing is ridiculus
 
As long as our three strikers are fit and scoring goals, I fear for Mata's involvement this season. Let's hope I'm wrong and van Gaal can keep him happy, at least untill next year when hopefully there will be more matches, and perhaps one striker less to compete with. With our luck regarding injuries, statistically it should only be a matter of time before one of them gets injured anyway, but let's hope that doesn't happen.
 
Not a fan of Rooney in the #10 but I also think he did well at the weekend and the criticism of him is, as usual, way over the top.
 
Rooney did well. The bashing is ridiculus

He was responsible in large part for their 3rd goal with his clearance and wasn't available as much as Mata though he did have his good moments too.

He plays that role pretty differently and direct which was part of the reason why our ball retention became worse and team more imbalanced.
 
He was responsible in large part for their 3rd goal with his clearance and wasn't available as much as Mata though he did have his good moments too.

He plays that role pretty differently and direct which was part of the reason why our ball retention became worse and team more imbalanced.
He wasn't any more direct than Mata usually is. Mata has tighter control, but I actually don't think they play the role that differently. Mata's certainly closer to Rooney's style than Silva's, for example.
Rooney was good first half. Linked up well with Di Maria in particular.
 
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He wasn't any more direct than Mata usually is.
Rooney was good first half. Linked up well with Di Maria in particular.

Outside of his assist he did alright first half and poor 2nd for me but to your point He had 82% pass completion rate for beginners while Mata averages above 90 most games with a better touch to boot. Rooney wants to play that killer ball early, sprint quickly into attack or spray it long and wide quick instead of building up attacks with 1 two's and combinations which is different to Mata.

Also, as the focal point in the diamond and as the captain he needed to calm the team down at 3-2 instead he seemed all would end and panicky himself and his botched up clearance led to their equaliser for which he then proceeded to scream at Blackett and Rojo for.
 
Outside of his assist he did alright first half and poor 2nd for me but to your point He had 82% pass completion rate for beginners while Mata averages above 90 most games with a better touch to boot. Rooney wants to play that killer ball early, sprint quickly into attack or spray it long and wide quick instead of building up attacks with 1 two's and combinations which is different to Mata.

Also, as the focal point in the diamond and as the captain he needed to calm the team down at 3-2 instead he seemed all would end and panicky himself and his botched up clearance led to their equaliser for which he then proceeded to scream at Blackett and Rojo for.

I actually thought Rooney made a conscious effort to link up through the middle, and in doing so played the role quite similarly to Mata. But his touch isn't as consistent no matter how hard he tries, so it doesn't always come off. Herrera was the one spreading it wide right. Rooney didn't do too much of it on Sunday - first half at least.

Mata isn't really a truly great possession player either. He tries to be patient and Silva-esque, but it's not his natural game. He's not a million miles away from Rooney's style.
 
I thought Rooney was fine as the #10. Still think Mata is better in that role but if Rooney keeps doing decently there then I don't think LvG will be bringing Mata back in.
 
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