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The issue for me is I see Rooney and Mata actively shirking the responsibility of making something happen. Rooney just wants to get the ball out wide rather than drive towards goal and Mata's first intention is always to go backwards and get rid.

So there's no movement ahead of him? There's not going to be when 90% of the time his first touch is to deliberately turn away from goal or into a safe area...so by the time he gets round to looking for a forward pass (if he even does, which by the way he was guilty of not even doing numerous times yesterday) there isn't going to be one.

Even so, he could try committing a player for a give and go, running towards the box and trying to play off one of the strikers. He only did either of these things once from memory, in an entire 90 minutes of football, and even then he only went for the give and go because Welbeck's layoff forced him to, and it ended with him lying uselessly on the floor.

He's a £42m player and the most technically gifted player in the team. He's not there to pansy around waiting until other people start playing well so he can turn up and share in the glory. Again its a self defeating argument. If he's completely reliant on other players and the system doing most of his job for him, then we shouldn't have been paying £42m for him in the first place.

£42m should be buying you some solid foundations to build on, not a piece of fancy decorative wallpaper.

I don't think his price should have anything to do with it. He didn't set the price you can blame Woodward/Moyes for signing a player who takes a good team up a level when we didn't have that base to start with fine, but don't think it should be used against him. He is what he is, he's not going to suit every team but tbh I can't think of many players who would shine in that team if you did a direct swap. There's so many aspects of it that just don't work and together combine to make an even greater problem.

His job for me is to find the passes to make things happen but to do that he needs players willing to run past him and to link up just like if you're a poacher you're job is to score goals but you need other people to create the chances. If players do make themselves available then he's one of the best in our league at finding them. That's what makes him an expensive player. I agree his game is limited in the same way you could say RVNs game was limited but he did what he did well.

Again I agree he could do more but he's limited by whats around him. Who's he gonna play a give and go with when no one gets ahead of him from midfield? Rooney/RVP were just a poor and they were doing the exact same thing of having the ball played to them and promtly playing it backwards because for one reason for another be it lack of sharpness in RVPs case and who know's what in Rooney's case neither could turn away from their man.

In terms of driving forward yeah he could do that more but in the context of the game there was a lot that made that very hard. Sunderland just weren't stretched at all by us, they didn't have to press us high cause they knew our defence weren't going to cause problems with their passing on the ball and so they could flood the middle and their final third this makes it a lot harder to drive through the middle, you need a good initial pass to set you off which wasn't coming.

I think actually the one give and go you mentioned came from Fletcher actually playing a good pass to RVP to set the move off. The rest of the time Mata had to keep coming so deep for the ball that there wasn't really anywhere to go. Personally as well I think due to the lack of pace/choice of players the formation only serves to put more reliance on the wingbacks putting in a good ball which we know is a massive risk.

I think there is an argument to be had that Mata isn't a leader and that when the chips are down he's probably not the man to turn to but that doesn't mean he can't bring a lot to the team. But the set up has to be right for him but I can't think of many star players who that isn't true for. Should we bring Di Maria in and play a more ambitious line up, particularly if it's based on the best team then I think Mata will be an important part of that.
 
There are players in the team performing much worse than Mata. Atleast he contributes with goals fairly consistently.
 
I'd have to completely agree with everything that is said in this article. The reason why Rooney and RVP were so poor against Sunderland was because the main guy that was supposed to be feeding them with a quick pass was not involved in the game enough because he has no athleticism....It's the same reason why our attack went to crap when we had Berbatov. Berbatov scored plenty of goals for us which led many fans to believe he was getting an unfair abuse from other fans that slated him...but with Berbatov scoring goals it tricked many into thinking he was not the root of our attacking troubles and the same thing is happening with Mata who was another astronomically priced Moyes panic buy. I just can't see Mata being anything other than a squad player here..hope he proves me wrong

http://www.squawka.com/news/stewart...e-is-under-threat-at-manchester-united/164655

Stewart Robson has stated that he thinks Juan Mata’s place in Manchester United’s starting eleven is now under threat, with the imminent arrival of Angel Di Maria threatening to displace him from the squad, as reported by Talksport.

Former Arsenal star Robson stated that it is a lack of athleticism that is a key issue for Mata, meaning he will generally struggle to make his mark at the Manchester side with Di Maria now on his way.

Robson said: “I’m not sure where Di Maria is going to fit in. I can’t see him fitting into the side at the moment without taking Juan Mata’s place.

“It isn’t working for him [Mata]. I can understand the problems Jose Mourinho had with him.

“Juan Mata can only play in a side that is completely dominating the play. He is very creative in the top third of the field but he doesn’t like it when there are big, open spaces because he is not a particularly good athlete, whether he is counter-attacking, having to run with the ball or he is having to defend in big, wide open spaces.

“When he is playing in a team that aren’t quite the best and are going to be counter-attacked, his lack of athleticism has been found out. It has been found out at Chelsea under Mourinho and also at Manchester United.”
 
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Well at the time we had Kagawa playing which i guess is similar to Mata. Ronaldo/Tevez/Rooney were all different types of players though
Didn't Kagawa come on very late in that game anyway? RvP was definitely not meaning Kagawa or Mata. Most probably Rooney, maybe even Welbeck.
 
If United are going to play with 2 Forwards and a Playmaker, then between the 3 of them they need to create more chances than they are doing at present. Simply blaming the crappy CM's is an easy excuse, especially when we all know the CM is a weak area at kick-off!

Someone should remind Mata that on the rare occasions he gets the ball from the CM it would be wise not to simply give it straight back to them.
 
I'd have to completely agree with everything that is said in this article. The reason why Rooney and RVP were so poor against Sunderland was because the main guy that was supposed to be feeding them with a quick pass was not involved in the game enough because he has no athleticism....It's the same reason why our attack went to crap when we had Berbatov. Berbatov scored plenty of goals for us which led many fans to believe he was getting an unfair abuse from other fans that slated him...but with Berbatov scoring goals it tricked many into thinking he was not the root of our attacking troubles and the same thing is happening with Mata who was another astronomically priced Moyes panic buy. I just can't see Mata being anything other than a squad player here..hope he proves me wrong

http://www.squawka.com/news/stewart...e-is-under-threat-at-manchester-united/164655

Stewart Robson has stated that he thinks Juan Mata’s place in Manchester United’s starting eleven is now under threat, with the imminent arrival of Angel Di Maria threatening to displace him from the squad, as reported by Talksport.

Former Arsenal star Robson stated that it is a lack of athleticism that is a key issue for Mata, meaning he will generally struggle to make his mark at the Manchester side with Di Maria now on his way.

Robson said: “I’m not sure where Di Maria is going to fit in. I can’t see him fitting into the side at the moment without taking Juan Mata’s place.

“It isn’t working for him [Mata]. I can understand the problems Jose Mourinho had with him.

“Juan Mata can only play in a side that is completely dominating the play. He is very creative in the top third of the field but he doesn’t like it when there are big, open spaces because he is not a particularly good athlete, whether he is counter-attacking, having to run with the ball or he is having to defend in big, wide open spaces.

“When he is playing in a team that aren’t quite the best and are going to be counter-attacked, his lack of athleticism has been found out. It has been found out at Chelsea under Mourinho and also at Manchester United.”


I do feel sorry for Mata a bit if he does end up on the bench again, but that article is fairly spot on.
 
I'd have to completely agree with everything that is said in this article. The reason why Rooney and RVP were so poor against Sunderland was because the main guy that was supposed to be feeding them with a quick pass was not involved in the game enough because he has no athleticism....It's the same reason why our attack went to crap when we had Berbatov. Berbatov scored plenty of goals for us which led many fans to believe he was getting an unfair abuse from other fans that slated him...but with Berbatov scoring goals it tricked many into thinking he was not the root of our attacking troubles and the same thing is happening with Mata who was another astronomically priced Moyes panic buy. I just can't see Mata being anything other than a squad player here..hope he proves me wrong

http://www.squawka.com/news/stewart...e-is-under-threat-at-manchester-united/164655

Stewart Robson has stated that he thinks Juan Mata’s place in Manchester United’s starting eleven is now under threat, with the imminent arrival of Angel Di Maria threatening to displace him from the squad, as reported by Talksport.

Former Arsenal star Robson stated that it is a lack of athleticism that is a key issue for Mata, meaning he will generally struggle to make his mark at the Manchester side with Di Maria now on his way.

Robson said: “I’m not sure where Di Maria is going to fit in. I can’t see him fitting into the side at the moment without taking Juan Mata’s place.

“It isn’t working for him [Mata]. I can understand the problems Jose Mourinho had with him.

“Juan Mata can only play in a side that is completely dominating the play. He is very creative in the top third of the field but he doesn’t like it when there are big, open spaces because he is not a particularly good athlete, whether he is counter-attacking, having to run with the ball or he is having to defend in big, wide open spaces.

“When he is playing in a team that aren’t quite the best and are going to be counter-attacked, his lack of athleticism has been found out. It has been found out at Chelsea under Mourinho and also at Manchester United.”

First i'd like to make it clear that I am not the biggest fan of Mata and that I never thought he was right for us to begin with and I still don't. However, I don't like the way he's being targeted here. I agree about what they say about his weaknesses, but never do they even mention the weaknesses of Rooney or RVP despite the fact that some of the weaknesses attributed to Mata by the article could just as well be attributed to either of Rooney and RVP who have never clicked with each other anyway so why persist?

At this time Mata has played just as well if not better than them, although that's not saying much at this point. Out of that front three who started yesterday Mata should be the least threatened by Di marias arrival based on their performances so far.

His job isn't made any easier by the fact that he had absolutely no movement in front of him once he gathered the ball, the strikers were pretty much glued to their defenders and weren't making any runs for him to find them. Meanwhile Cleverley and Fletcher were hiding, our wingers weren't making any runs and couldn't do anything worthwhile with the ball even if they were.

Rant.
 
Can't believe the shit Mata is getting, the guy is awesome. Plays for Spain regularly, you know the nation that probably has the biggest pool of talent out of any other nation.

I don't think this would happen if he wasn't any good.
 
Can't believe the shit Mata is getting, the guy is awesome. Plays for Spain regularly, you know the nation that probably has the biggest pool of talent out of any other nation.

I don't think this would happen if he wasn't any good.

He doesn't really start for Spain but well, Iniesta is no bad competitiom (even though he's a shit athlete too, no pace, no strength).
 
Under pressure now. If Mata is not at his best, he will be benched like every other player as well
 
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7 goals, 2 assists and 21 chances created in 10 appearances playing as a number 10 in a team that's playing way below average. How is that bad?
 
Im going to say Di Maria will help Mata in a big way. You dont need ever player to be lightning quick to be good at counter attacking. Teddy Sherringham proved that when he was here.

Mata has the first touch,passing range,quick feet and ability to make dangerous late runs into the box to be a big player under Van Gaal.
 
Can see Di Maria and Mata playing some excellent football together. It'll be wonderful I tells you.
 
Can see Di Maria and Mata playing some excellent football together. It'll be wonderful I tells you.
No doubt. Di Maria will make space and create openings with his pace and movement, and Mata will thrive in the pockets of space and pick out Di Maria's runs countless times. Herrera's mobility will help as well.

This is going football heaven. Burnley, be afraid! :D
 
Can't believe the shit Mata is getting, the guy is awesome. Plays for Spain regularly, you know the nation that probably has the biggest pool of talent out of any other nation.

I don't think this would happen if he wasn't any good.
No, he isn't. Silva, iniesta, Xavi, cesc have been ahead of him. TBF I always rate him but I kind of agreeing with Mourinho when he benched Mata. He always has trouble when the position team press alot and need players around him to open some space. He's very dangerous when comfortably playing in a team with good possession but we cant offer that in here and I don't think LvG and his total football philosophy fit mata's style either.
 
I think it's always been painfully obvious that he's not a playmaker. He's a final 3rd player and a brilliant one at that but not the kind of player we needed. Still, it could have been worse. We might have signed Ozil for 40m and he doesn't even score tap ins.

I agree mostly but I wouldn't call it 'painfully obvious'. He's technically brilliant and he's creative. I think there was a decent argument behind giving him a chance in a playmaker role, but there's little sign that its going to work out yet.
 
I don't understand the criticism of him. At all. He is a player who relies on the forwards and midfielders actually doing things. When they do we've seen he is our best player. Even still he provides more of a spark than anyone else.
 
When Mourinho is willing to sell a player to his biggest rivals then there is a reason for it....put it this way - would he sell us Diego Costa if we were willing to pay enough? Very Doubtful
 
I don't understand the criticism of him. At all. He is a player who relies on the forwards and midfielders actually doing things. When they do we've seen he is our best player. Even still he provides more of a spark than anyone else.

So you are saying we spent 37 million on a player that relies on other players to make him look good? I don't doubt Mata's quality. But if this is the case that he is basically a 'cream on top' kind of player then I think we overpaid and he probably wasn't necessary when we definitely had deficiencies that needed fixing.
 
So you are saying we spent 37 million on a player that relies on other players to make him look good? I don't doubt Mata's quality. But if this is the case that he is basically a 'cream on top' kind of player then I think we overpaid and he probably wasn't necessary when we definitely had deficiencies that needed fixing.
No, we relied on a player who is extraordinarily talented and a playmaker requires movement, cleverness, and ability around him to provide assists and make plays. What good is a playmaker with nobody to make plays to...

Is Ozil useless, is Silva?
 
Personally I think having Di Maria will open up Mata and Rooney both who like to play the ball out wide. The only problem lately is that Young is useless and Valencia was out of position a lot dropping back so deep in defense.

I personally think a 4-3-3 will be ideal but the problem would be fitting Mata and Herrera both in the midfield. I think Herrera needs to bulk up a little to handle the abuse of the EPL but that being said I trust LVG will now have quality on the wing at his disposal which is something I think all United fans are glad to see again.
 
Personally I think having Di Maria will open up Mata and Rooney both who like to play the ball out wide. The only problem lately is that Young is useless and Valencia was out of position a lot dropping back so deep in defense.

I personally think a 4-3-3 will be ideal but the problem would be fitting Mata and Herrera both in the midfield. I think Herrera needs to bulk up a little to handle the abuse of the EPL but that being said I trust LVG will now have quality on the wing at his disposal which is something I think all United fans are glad to see again.
If we are playing 4-3-3 whats the problem fitting in Mata and Herrera in the same team? We need worry about how we are going to fit in Rooney and RVP. Are we going to sacrifice Januzaj for the time being? Is he going to be an impact sub?
 
If we are playing 4-3-3 whats the problem fitting in Mata and Herrera in the same team? We need worry about how we are going to fit in Rooney and RVP. Are we going to sacrifice Januzaj for the time being? Is he going to be an impact sub?

Im mainly meaning in terms of defensive ability, dont get me wrong I want to see it. They both possess great passing qualities I just fear our midfield being over run in against the bigger teams we will play with our defense still trying to get it sorted out. I guess Fletcher/Carrick/Fellani could supply enough cover I just fear there lack of pace will bite us.
 
Im mainly meaning in terms of defensive ability, dont get me wrong I want to see it. They both possess great passing qualities I just fear our midfield being over run in against the bigger teams we will play with our defense still trying to get it sorted out. I guess Fletcher/Carrick/Fellani could supply enough cover I just fear there lack of pace will bite us.
To be honest, it doesn't look like we are going to go 4-3-3 unless we bring a proper midfielder. We will just be too open. Plus we have quite a few defenders to play if they are fit. Herrera and Carrick could MAYBE handle things but not if Carrick is out. We have to play a diamond with 5 defenders like Gary suggested to fit everyone in.
 
What do you think about playing Mata as the most attacking option in a 3 men midfield (alongside DM such as De Jong and Herrera)? I think he would be great in that role.
I like players like Mata in that role. They are comfortable in possession if they find themselves in a deeper position but have that licence to get forward. People will be against it because it's not a proper 'number 10' role but I think it's a good way and keeping him central.
 
So you are saying we spent 37 million on a player that relies on other players to make him look good? I don't doubt Mata's quality. But if this is the case that he is basically a 'cream on top' kind of player then I think we overpaid and he probably wasn't necessary when we definitely had deficiencies that needed fixing.

Nasri cost about 25 and is an important part of a very good side. Mata being better in the final third would be worth 10 million for them. The difference is the same reason that Kagawa looked 5X the player at Dortmund. We play tumescent, horrific football almost exclusively and those teams manage to move the ball quickly and forward, albeit with very different styles, formations and tempos.
 
So you are saying we spent 37 million on a player that relies on other players to make him look good? I don't doubt Mata's quality. But if this is the case that he is basically a 'cream on top' kind of player then I think we overpaid and he probably wasn't necessary when we definitely had deficiencies that needed fixing.
All players like Mata are like that though. Kagawa, Ozil, Silva; they all need runners in behind and on the wing to stretch the opposition to give them space to work in. If they get that, they can be deadly, but if they have players like rooney and Van Persie, or Valencia and Young, then everyone just comes inside and crowds the space, making them useless.
 
Im mainly meaning in terms of defensive ability, dont get me wrong I want to see it. They both possess great passing qualities I just fear our midfield being over run in against the bigger teams we will play with our defense still trying to get it sorted out. I guess Fletcher/Carrick/Fellani could supply enough cover I just fear there lack of pace will bite us.
Herrera is probably better defensively then Fellaini is. Just because he's a fancy spanish midfielder doesn't mean he's poor defensively. He likes to tackle and get stuck in, is a hard worker and definitely isn't a luxury player, or somebody that you need to make up for defensively. He's just a classic box to box player. He actually knows how to stay in position and cover space, while with Fellaini you'll always see him chasing backwards a few steps behind the play always.
 
http://www.squawka.com/news/stewart...e-is-under-threat-at-manchester-united/164655

Stewart Robson has stated that he thinks Juan Mata’s place in Manchester United’s starting eleven is now under threat, with the imminent arrival of Angel Di Maria threatening to displace him from the squad, as reported by Talksport.

Former Arsenal star Robson stated that it is a lack of athleticism that is a key issue for Mata, meaning he will generally struggle to make his mark at the Manchester side with Di Maria now on his way.

Robson said: “I’m not sure where Di Maria is going to fit in. I can’t see him fitting into the side at the moment without taking Juan Mata’s place.

“It isn’t working for him [Mata]. I can understand the problems Jose Mourinho had with him.

Juan Mata can only play in a side that is completely dominating the play. He is very creative in the top third of the field but he doesn’t like it when there are big, open spaces because he is not a particularly good athlete, whether he is counter-attacking, having to run with the ball or he is having to defend in big, wide open spaces.

Funny how he was one of the best players in the league when Chelsea were playing some atrocious football then aye. They were hardly dominating teams back then and yet he was the only consistent performer in their team.
 
Yeah, that's a load of rubbish.
If anything, he's like Kagawa in that he thrives when the game is a bit more stretched, open and he's being given less attention.
When his team are completely penning the other team back with slow possession, like Kagawa he tries to be too precise, measured and neat, which detracts from his game. Di Matteo probably gave him and the two other 'amigos' too much freedom, but the three of them looked most threatening when the game was stretched and open as they often were. This style got the best out of Mata, but obviously wasn't sustainable long term, and the level of Mata's defensive contribution at the time could be called into question.

I'd classify him as a second striker, to be honest.
He's not like Silva who can dribble in tight areas with incredible accuracy at a walking pace, deliver an inch perfect pass into feet every single time, and generally run a game even under tight marking. He's less precise, and a very instinctive player, unlike Silva who's naturally measured. People seem to bracket Mata with Silva, but but he's more similar to Rooney, in my opinion.
And from where that guy's got the idea Mata needs a completely dominant possession team to thrive, I don't know.
 
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7 goals, 2 assists and 21 chances created in 10 appearances playing as a number 10 in a team that's playing way below average. How is that bad?

Those stats, when playing centrally, are impressive. In a way, though, they also highlight why he might not be what we need in the positions he keeps getting picked. He's scoring almost 4 times as many goals as he is creating. This would be in contrast to players like, say, David Silva, Fabregas or Coutinho who are much more likely to create a goal than they are to score one. That's really the sort of qualities we need from him if Van Gaal is going to get this 352 to work. We don't need a number 10 whose best quality seems to be being a bit of a goal-poacher.

Mind you, as Nev pointed out last night, those stats are from a season where the whole team was fairly terrible. When he played for Chelsea he his stats looked much more like a proper playmaker. So I'm going to stick my optimists hat on, agree with Nev and and decide that the arrival of Di Maria will bring the best out of him. Bring it on.
 
Those stats, when playing centrally, are impressive. In a way, though, they also highlight why he might not be what we need in the positions he keeps getting picked. He's scoring almost 4 times as many goals as he is creating. This would be in contrast to players like, say, David Silva, Fabregas or Coutinho who are much more likely to create a goal than they are to score one. That's really the sort of qualities we need from him if Van Gaal is going to get this 352 to work. We don't need a number 10 whose best quality seems to be being a bit of a goal-poacher.

Mind you, as Nev pointed out last night, those stats are from a season where the whole team was fairly terrible. When he played for Chelsea he his stats looked much more like a proper playmaker. So I'm going to stick my optimists hat on, agree with Nev and and decide that the arrival of Di Maria will bring the best out of him. Bring it on.
I think he is still settling and the other parts of the team, especially in the forward phase, aren't playing enough of their part to produce a unit but he needs to step it up, get on the ball more and look to utilize his vision and passing. We can't continue blaming others for his shortcomings.
 
If United are going to play with 2 Forwards and a Playmaker, then between the 3 of them they need to create more chances than they are doing at present. Simply blaming the crappy CM's is an easy excuse, especially when we all know the CM is a weak area at kick-off!

Someone should remind Mata that on the rare occasions he gets the ball from the CM it would be wise not to simply give it straight back to them.

Bang on mate. Everybody in the world, including LVG, knew that Fletch - Clev are not being played for their creative prowess. Their job was to get the ball to the attacking players, and with 55% overall possession, it's clear nobody in our team took the impetus to do something with it. This is where I think Di Maria will shine. He doesn't have to rely on others to get things done, he can do it all himself.
 
Those stats, when playing centrally, are impressive. In a way, though, they also highlight why he might not be what we need in the positions he keeps getting picked. He's scoring almost 4 times as many goals as he is creating. This would be in contrast to players like, say, David Silva, Fabregas or Coutinho who are much more likely to create a goal than they are to score one. That's really the sort of qualities we need from him if Van Gaal is going to get this 352 to work. We don't need a number 10 whose best quality seems to be being a bit of a goal-poacher.

Mind you, as Nev pointed out last night, those stats are from a season where the whole team was fairly terrible. When he played for Chelsea he his stats looked much more like a proper playmaker. So I'm going to stick my optimists hat on, agree with Nev and and decide that the arrival of Di Maria will bring the best out of him. Bring it on.
I sort of agree with you, at times with Mata it's like playing with an additional striker which makes him redundant in a 2 striker system I think he will be able to find more space and create more chances in a 4 3 3.

Although I don't agree with him not creating enough chances. He created 3 times as many clear cut chances as goals.
 
Mark Ogden
Mark Ogden
@MOgdenTelegraph

Angel di Maria transfer to Manchester United spells trouble for Juan Mata | via @Telegraph fw.to/oqJ3vdE
10:54 a.m. Tue, Aug 26
 
Mark Ogden
Mark Ogden
@MOgdenTelegraph

Angel di Maria transfer to Manchester United spells trouble for Juan Mata | via @Telegraph fw.to/oqJ3vdE
10:54 a.m. Tue, Aug 26

Link to the article in which Ogden states that he understands Mata's future in the side is vulnerable following the arrival of Di Maria. Describes him as a 'square peg in a round hole' in a United 4-3-3, and likens him to Berbatov. Slightly ominous...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ster-United-spells-trouble-for-Juan-Mata.html
 
I'd say di Maria affects Rooney/RvP more. Mata is comfortably our best #10.
 
Mata really shouldn't be the player to be dropped. This Rooney and RvP front two just simply isn't ever going to work, we either need to play with one striker or if we persist with two we need Di Maria/Welbeck to start with Rooney or RvP. Personally I'd much rather bench Rooney or RvP, Mata may not necessarily be better than them but we need the balance of having some pace up top.
 
Pilib de Brún
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Moyes didn't want Mata, Utd wanted to make a statement signing to appease irritated sponsors. Mata has the same problem Kagawa does.
4:03 p.m. Tue, Aug 26 from Bakersfield, CA
 
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