Well argued!
The rest you could say about RvP and Rooney too. Only 2 of them 3 should play.
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The rest you could say about RvP and Rooney too. Only 2 of them 3 should play.
In my amateur opinion the solution is rather simple and something loads of people (including G Nev if memory serves right) have already suggested. At the max we should play two of Rooney/ RVP/ Mata. Juan's best asset is his perception of spaces, a bit like Ozil at Arsenal because neither of the have the dribbling ability that a more complete #10 like Silva has. Mata had that at Chelsea with Hazard, Drogba etc and he thrived in the system; Ozil likewise with Ronaldo or Benzema. They both have to rely upon runners around him to exploit the space since they can't do it themselves. He'll be wasted in the current system where our attacking trio is monumentally static and there aren't enough players to feed of his movement. All three of them play in front of the defense leading to the lack of dynamism in attack. The introduction of someone who's a little vibrant like Januzaj or Welbeck would immediately remedy the problem.
This formation is acting as a leveller come on LVG don't be stubborn change it and win the fecking game
I'm sorry but he's been rather shit. Most #10s can drop back and add to possession when needed but he's so freaking lightweight to add any more than cosmetic value when things are not all rosy.
He can feck off, he has been soooo poor, lets keep Kagawa.
Look who was hiding again.
Anonyomous.
Now do people believe me we cannot have all Mata, RVP and Rooney in the team? Because we should not be playing 352 for starters and any other formation there is no where for Mata. Jose saw that and we thought we were getting a bargain but again it was just a panic buy, only difference this time is we didn't pay £24 m for him and stand to make a £18 m profit.
Our team seems to have the ability to suck the life out of talented, creative footballers. He seemed to be so devoid of creativity on the ball today and had a terrible game. When he signed, he looked like the stand-out in a poor team. It's like he's morphed into the rest of this team after a full pre-season with them.
Mata, Rooney and RVP all terrible today.
He's gone to doing a Rooney every time he gets the ball. Pass to wing.
Didn't quite happen for him today, and he cut a frustrated figure. I wonder if there's anything to these rumours that if any of RvP, Rooney, Mata and Di Maria are to lose out under LvG, it's Mata who's most likely?
You get still get excited when he receives the ball 30 yards out and turns, because you know he *can* carry it forward and then either score or create. But he struggled to really influence of the game, and was then unfortunate to pick up an injury.
Looking for more from him, as I am from pretty much all of our big guns.
You get still get excited when he receives the ball 30 yards out and turns, because you know he *can* carry it forward and then either score or create. But he struggled to really influence of the game, and was then unfortunate to pick up an injury.
Looking for more from him, as I am from pretty much all of our big guns.
Mata couldn't get involved in the game today. Feel sorry for him. The defenders aren't capable of bringing the ball forward therefore he ends up with no space to operate in. When he gets the ball he ends up being trapped and having to either go back on himself or out wide.
The play from back to front is far too slow.
The play from back to front is far too slow.
He needs to be dropped. He was invisible today and the only thing I noticed was his floated passed/crosses essentially gifting possession back to them.
He's one of the players as to the reason we've changed system. In order that to be worth he needs to perform and be involved much more than what he currently is doing.
He's one of the players as to the reason we've changed system. In order that to be worth he needs to perform and be involved much more than what he currently is doing.
He had two brilliant chances that he made a mess of. Useless.
Actually was poor today. Significantly worse than the two previous games. But today you could tell he was playing deeper than normal.
I just don't rate him, despite his stats.
Time to start benching him. Very poor today and has been poor more often than not for a while now.
Mata, Rooney and RVP are all terribly suited for this formation. All three of them require someone else to do the penetrative off-the-ball runs, dribbling and provide the width. Of course when they all play together that means nobody does it and we end up with an incredibly one geared attack.
A 5-3-2 is great when the offensive two/three have absolute world class individual abilities in terms of flair/dribbling/pace. At most you want one of Mata/Rooney/RVP in such a set up, with the other two providing the dribbling and pace.
Suarez/Sturridge/Coutinho worked even if Suarez and Sturridge were both highly egoistic and selfish because they had great pace and good 1 vs 1 ability. Ronaldinho/Rivaldo/Ronaldo worked because Ronaldinho provided the width and all Rivaldo/Ronaldo had world class dribbling/flair. RVP/Robben worked with Sneijder(who is a Mata type) because Robben provided the dribblin.
The 5-3-2 completely relies on individual brilliance to break down the opponents defense, rather than having a system great for attacking play and exposing the weakness of the opponents.
Understandable that any manager would try to get Rooney, RVP and Mata working together as the potential is ridiculous, but hopefully LVG will come to his senses and either bench one or play one out of position.
A 5-3-2 is great when the offensive two/three have absolute world class individual abilities in terms of flair/dribbling/pace. At most you want one of Mata/Rooney/RVP in such a set up, with the other two providing the dribbling and pace.
Suarez/Sturridge/Coutinho worked even if Suarez and Sturridge were both highly egoistic and selfish because they had great pace and good 1 vs 1 ability. Ronaldinho/Rivaldo/Ronaldo worked because Ronaldinho provided the width and all Rivaldo/Ronaldo had world class dribbling/flair. RVP/Robben worked with Sneijder(who is a Mata type) because Robben provided the dribblin.
The 5-3-2 completely relies on individual brilliance to break down the opponents defense, rather than having a system great for attacking play and exposing the weakness of the opponents.
Understandable that any manager would try to get Rooney, RVP and Mata working together as the potential is ridiculous, but hopefully LVG will come to his senses and either bench one or play one out of position.
Last two league games he was as bad as I've ever seen him. Injury won't help him get his sharpness back.
That said, it's remarkable how short people's memories are. He's a brilliant player, obviously.
That said, it's remarkable how short people's memories are. He's a brilliant player, obviously.
Any word on the injury?
I'd sell Mata any day before selling Welbeck.....but I think Welbeck will be sacraficed as it would be harder to offload Mata.......Mata will be benched once LVG can find a better solution to him in the team.....He's just not dynamic and athletic enough to be a proper Man Utd player...Di Maria on the other hand looks world class in his first game
Yup, Mata's really looking poor in our team full of dynamic and athletic players. First thing that comes to my mind when I see our team play is 'damn, why isn't Mata more athletic and dynamic? I wish he was as athletic and dynamic as Antonio'. Hey, imagine that. Mata bulked up and his brain completly evaporated ( just like Valencia's after he started roiding ) and now he can only pass with his left foot. Now that would be something.
He hasnt been good but to be fair, having Rooney and RVP in front of you as a number 10 is very difficult, they barely make runs and are always looking to get the ball in their feet.
If it means he won't be forced into the team with RVP and Rooney next match, it's for the best.
Ya I was thinking the exact same. If he had to spend a few weeks/months on the sidelines it could be a blessing in disguise.
What has happened to him?
His confidence is shot, I think. This is not the same Mata that I saw for Chelsea.
His confidence is shot, I think. This is not the same Mata that I saw for Chelsea.
He needs to drop back and help the midfield more - he is just not doing that at the moment, nor is he delivering defence splitting passes or running at the defence. He's been poor this season, so I hope he can pick things up and start playing like he played at Chelsea (or during some games for United last season).
Sad that he got injured but in all honesty it might be a small blessing in disguise. He was poor again. Rooney and RvP were no better though. This "great front three" that keeps getting talked about is a complete fizzer.
How can anyone play £37million for a player with no pace ? Mata is a good player, but he is really no better or worse than Arterta or Carzola. Probably doesn't help his game that both RVP and Rooney are off the boil.
Mourinho has screwed us over. This isn't the Mata we all seen at Chelsea.
Dire display. The idea that he starts ahead of Januzaj is simply ridiculous. Should have been taken off at half-time. Welbeck and Januzaj offer far more in terms of penetration than Mata. Since we have no pace, no movement up front, it is pointless playing Mata.
Mata is a level above Cazorla. It's not particularly close.
I hate this arguement of pace and how its the be all of professional football. There are tons of footballers who have had great careers without being blessed with pace. I dont think it helps his game when hes got no one making runs around him to pick out - this was a feature of his play while at Chelsea.
I will however agree on the fee. I still cant believe we paid it knowing that Chelsea wanted to sell... Moreso when we could have strengthened the midfield for that money - Thanks Moyes!
His best moment was when released Di Maria with that through ball - that's more of the shit we want to see, and it's why we paid that kind of fee for him. There was a play in the first half where Di Maria tried to play a 1-2 with him and somehow found himself in quite a bit of space in the middle of the park, and Mata just passed it out wide to Young. Frustrating as feck.
He has talent, no doubt, but the fact I can watch a match like Burnley and forget he is even playing for long spells says it all.
Would be interesting to see how he would do if he had Di Maria, Januzaj and Welbeck ahead of him.
Mata = Berbatov and we're just going to have to live with that until we can eventually offload him for 10 million quid to a club in Spain in a couple of years.....A squad player at best
LvG just needs to find a way of getting the best out of Mata, he was amazing at Chelsea i'm sure he can come good at United.
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