Joshua Zirkzee | signed for Manchester United

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Last time I checked he didn't make the Dutch squad and Weghorst did :lol:

That also has to do with Koeman sticking to the group he knows and started the proces with. Koeman is loyal to the group he started with and you have to do something very special to break into that group. Zirkzee picked up an injury at the end of the season too so it was very easy for Koeman to not even consider him. Not part of his group and wasnt fit at the time of the first selection.

Edit : Going to the Euros because Brobbey has a minor injury
 
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The player he reminds me most of is Kaka.

I think he will come to the PL & we have a big chance. If im right he said he wants to come to the PL too. He is the most similar player to Martial available.

Biggest competition is Arsenal because they play a similar way to our forward line except they already have Havertz as a False 9.

If they get Zirkzee then they have two creative CF but it seems like too much competition directly for the same role.

I think we will get him because of this & Arsenal will go for Toney who gives them something different whilst also being creative.

Ten Hag wanted to keep Greenwood last season aswell so i have a sneaky feeling that he will be public put on sale but no offers has come through..

Greenwood - Zirkzee - Rashford
Amad - Zirkzee - Garnacho

:drool:

Zirkzee is dutch aswell which gives us a slight advantage.​
 
The player he reminds me most of is Kaka.

I think he will come to the PL & we have a big chance. If im right he said he wants to come to the PL too. He is the most similar player to Martial available.

Biggest competition is Arsenal because they play a similar way to our forward line except they already have Havertz as a False 9.

If they get Zirkzee then they have two creative CF but it seems like too much competition directly for the same role.

I think we will get him because of this & Arsenal will go for Toney who gives them something different whilst also being creative.

Ten Hag wanted to keep Greenwood last season aswell so i have a sneaky feeling that he will be public put on sale but no offers has come through..

Greenwood - Zirkzee - Rashford
Amad - Zirkzee - Garnacho

:drool:

Zirkzee is dutch aswell which gives us a slight advantage.​

Greenwood will be sold without a doubt
 


Looks both footed, good with back to goal, can pick a pass and he has great close control.

Is most of that footage of Serie A as it all looks as slow as feck and the defenders are shite!
 
We had Martial for a season or 2. It would be nice to have that option in the squad again though.

Martial wasn’t the same type of player as Cantona, Bergkamp, Sheringham and Rooney as Martial was about explosive pace and pulling out wide or on the shoulder looking to run in behind.

Zirkzee drops deep centrally like a 10 and brings others into play which with the likes of Rashford and Garnacho who like to run in behind and interchanging with Fernandes it’s a dynamic we don’t currently have.
 
Martial wasn’t the same type of player as Cantona, Bergkamp, Sheringham and Rooney as Martial was about explosive pace and pulling out wide or on the shoulder looking to run in behind.

Zirkzee drops deep centrally like a 10 and brings others into play which with the likes of Rashford and Garnacho who like to run in behind and interchanging with Fernandes it’s a dynamic we don’t currently have.

False 9s don’t work with 10s for me. I think a false 9 is best suited to a traditional midfield 3 with a 6 and double 8.
 


Looks both footed, good with back to goal, can pick a pass and he has great close control.


Purely on the basis of this video, I see shades of Ibrahimovic in his style of play. It’s quite an impressive compilation; interesting if it’s at all representative of his overall performances.
 
34m is a great price, however, I read somewhere that Joorabchian is looking for 15m euro commission, which makes the deal less fantastic if so.
 
We don't need a different style of striker to Hojlund, we need one who's similar. To insure against injury, to spread the workload of a whole season of games, and to provide genuine competition. The two should be interchangeable without the need to change strategy and formation every time.

Plus there's no real need for a creative support striker when we have Bruno ever-present in the team. Especially as he's most effective pushing as high up the pitch as possible.

Admittedly I have yet to see a striker proposed who fits this bill and who we might realistically be able to afford this summer.

If people are pitching Zirkzee as someone who could cover lots of attacking positions, then great... but I want to hear that he's got serious pace. Not much point signing a wide forward who isn't fast in the PL at the moment.
 
Martial wasn’t the same type of player as Cantona, Bergkamp, Sheringham and Rooney as Martial was about explosive pace and pulling out wide or on the shoulder looking to run in behind.

Zirkzee drops deep centrally like a 10 and brings others into play which with the likes of Rashford and Garnacho who like to run in behind and interchanging with Fernandes it’s a dynamic we don’t currently have.
Hard disagree.
 
34m is a great price, however, I read somewhere that Joorabchian is looking for 15m euro commission, which makes the deal less fantastic if so.

He can want €15 million but seeing as there’s a release clause he’s not anywhere near as important as he believes in this, it’s up to our footballing structure and ambassadors to sell the move to Zirkzee rather than having to haggle with an agent.
 
If people are pitching Zirkzee as someone who could cover lots of attacking positions, then great... but I want to hear that he's got serious pace. Not much point signing a wide forward who isn't fast in the PL at the moment.
Doesn't look all that pacey to me. But he's tall and has nice technique for his size.
 
Would take him, United need a different profile to Hojlund who is more reminiscent of a typical number 9 who's better suited being at the end of play. The problem is United don't have the players to accommodate this systematically and i'd argue Hojlund overperformed last season as a result.

Mentions of speed are of little importance in the modern game for forwards playing against compact defences or teams where the opposition drop two banks of four across defensive areas.

It's why Isak's thread when we was at Sociedad barely got three page contributions on the site, Newcastle identified his profile and now arguably have the second best striker in the league or the best if you account for his overall play compared to Halaand.

When you assess the selfishness of Garnacho, Rashford and Anthony they all play inverted, having a forward who will drop into those pockets of spaces where the wider players are drifting into opens up the opposition, dragging them out of position and the team can play 1-2's or breaking line / reverse passes to exploit.

It's a reason to this date from my own observation that the best United have looked under Erik as a team was season before last towards the new year with Rashford as the center forward and Sancho-Garnacho / Anthony wide. Statistically the team had more possession in games away from home and in the Spurs 2-0 victory it was 28 shots to Spurs's 9, similar with the Chelsea draw 1-1 United had the better statistics in more competitive games.
 
Would take him, United need a different profile to Hojlund who is more reminiscent of a typical number 9 who's better suited being at the end of play. The problem is United don't have the players to accommodate this systematically and i'd argue Hojlund overperformed last season as a result.

Mentions of speed are of little importance in the modern game for forwards playing against compact defences or teams where the opposition drop two banks of four across defensive areas.

It's why Isak's thread when we was at Sociedad barely got three page contributions on the site, Newcastle identified his profile and now arguably have the second best striker in the league or the best if you account for his overall play compared to Halaand.

When you assess the selfishness of Garnacho, Rashford and Anthony they all play inverted, having a forward who will drop into those pockets of spaces where the wider players are drifting into opens up the opposition, dragging them out of position and the team can play 1-2's or breaking line / reverse passes to exploit.

It's a reason to this date from my own observation that the best United have looked under Erik as a team was season before last towards the new year with Rashford as the center forward and Sancho-Garnacho / Anthony wide. Statistically the team had more possession in games away from home and in the Spurs 2-0 victory it was 28 shots to Spurs's 9, similar with the Chelsea draw 1-1 United had the better statistics in more competitive games.

Top post.

Glad I'm not the only one who can see this.

We don't need another striker in the mould of Hojlund; what we need is a creative striker/forward basically replacing what Martial did in Ole season two where he had Martial playing deeper as a creative forward for two inverted forwards in Rashford & Greenwood. 6 assists and 17 goals.

This is why i think actually Sancho leaving us last year was a bigger problem than people realise because he was aligned to be our False 9 since pre season under Ten Hag and did quite well there, yet he didnt get picked straight away and the rest is history.

Garnacho - Sancho - Rashford

Would have been more balanced than Hojlund playing in between two inverted forwards like :

Garnacho - Hojlund - Rashford

What's interesting is that when playing Hojlund as a striker who basically runs the channels trying to beat the defence - Sancho would have been on paper would have been one of the main creators to Hojlund getting chances from his through balls from out wide.

Amad - Hojlund - Sancho

Is probably the most creative side we have for a player like Hojlund with two players providing through balls to Hojlund to run in and finish.

This is why I would prefer a player like Zirkzee because he is a creative forward that can best out of Rashford, Garnacho, Antony, Amad and even Greenwood depending who stays.

LW- Amad/Gwood/Antony/Garnacho

CF - Zirkzee

RW - Rashford, Garnacho

Two inverted forwards playing on the inside of a creative centre forward/false 9.

This is also why I'm okay with Sancho having another go at United if he can sort things out with Ten Hag -

Because

A) He can create chances directly to Hojljnd from both at LW & RW for him to tap in.

B) He can actually play as a False 9 and create for the inverted forwards too say incase Zirkzee gets injured as seen in last season's pre season

C) He can actually be a better back up LW & RW inverted forward than for example Antony aswell.

However, the main reason i want Zirkzee is because it solidifies a spot in our tactic of playing a creative forward inbetween two inverted forwards similair to how signing Havertz solidfied arsenal's tactics when played between trossard & Saka.

Once the tactic is added to our list of tactics ( it already is because in the final few games Bruno F played as a false 9 whilst Hojlund played off the bench) by signing a player for that role then it will always be part of our gameplan whether its our 1st or 2nd gameplan.

This is why Zirkzee is an important signing and actually can also on paper make Sancho be a bit better than he has been either as another False 9 or even as a creative wide player for Hojlund.
 
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This is an easy signing if we want him. Won’t cost to much.
 
Martial wasn’t the same type of player as Cantona, Bergkamp, Sheringham and Rooney as Martial was about explosive pace and pulling out wide or on the shoulder looking to run in behind.

Zirkzee drops deep centrally like a 10 and brings others into play which with the likes of Rashford and Garnacho who like to run in behind and interchanging with Fernandes it’s a dynamic we don’t currently have.
Martial actually did a lot of that once he suffered a few injuries, losing some pace and increasing his muscle mass.
 
This is an easy signing if we want him. Won’t cost to much.
It's not as Milan are offering him a more attractive role in the squad. If he's happy to be rotated or not guaranteed to start, then fine, but not so sure.
 
We don't need another striker in the mould of Hojlund; what we need is a creative striker/forward basically replacing what Martial did in Ole season two where he had Martial playing deeper as a creative forward for two inverted forwards in Rashford & Greenwood. 6 assists and 17 goals.

I would be abit surprised if Cunha is not an option for that role.
 
Martial wasn’t the same type of player as Cantona, Bergkamp, Sheringham and Rooney as Martial was about explosive pace and pulling out wide or on the shoulder looking to run in behind.

Zirkzee drops deep centrally like a 10 and brings others into play which with the likes of Rashford and Garnacho who like to run in behind and interchanging with Fernandes it’s a dynamic we don’t currently have.

But Martial was a creative forward.

He was arguably the best at holding the ball with his back to goal against a defender and then bringing others in to play. This would also happen deeper so it made more opening runs to Rashford and Greenwood to make.

Rooney for example was also a creative forward but he wasnt creative with his back to goal like martial, he was more creative when he was facing the goal and then making passes.

Just a different type or style of creative forward.
 
That’s down to his agent then if he wants to stop one of his players joining one of the biggest clubs because he’s too greedy.
So not an easy cheap deal then
 
Purely on the basis of this video, I see shades of Ibrahimovic in his style of play. It’s quite an impressive compilation; interesting if it’s at all representative of his overall performances.
Silky skills to be fair
 
Along with the likes of Todibo and Thuram, he’s the type of profile we should be all over. Young, talented, not too expensive and fills a gap we need filling. Whether the club will actually do anything about it is a different case altogether. To think we could probably get all three for what we paid for Antony!
 
Better hurry because Milan are already negotiating
For one, the report was that Milan were willing to trigger his clause, there's nothing to negotiate. Secondly, he's at the Euros so nothing will be done anytime soon. There's no need to rush or panic. If we want him and Milan is the competition, he's coming here.
 
Where is the tracking back?...

Don't get me wrong I like the look of Zirkee he is definitely going to be a player who is around the topish tier with his next move, I am not sure where he fits in to the current set up, we play one striker, if we sign an attacker at all it means that one of Garnacho, Hoijlund, Amad, Rashford or Antony drops out of the pecking order, and even then somebody is missing 1st 11...

But I come back to why even link to a player like Zirkee, the second he does not bust a lung to race the length of the pitch to provide defensive cover he will be crucified

For me I like attackers to be attackers, would rather see Dalot, Shaw, Awb etc... stay back and let Rashford, Garnacho and Hoijlund keep their energy and a higher starting position to focus on attacking, when I think of the great attacking players we have had down the years and how they would be raked over the coals for not tracking back in the current version of football, it is crazy.... if we get over this attackers defending bollox then great sign Zirkee, the lad looks good, if we are getting him with the idea he will be tracking back then why bother, better off signing somebody else who is better suited to that role
 
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