Jose's Wish List...

Did you see the KPMG stuff? We're the biggest, richest club on the planet - if we can't get those players then who can?? We got Pogba last summer. We should be buying big stars like Neymar, Sanchez, Griezeman, Messi, Bale, whoever not scrabbling round after players like the ones you've named

I saw it, but do you really think we'll get just ONE out of Neymar, Sanchez, Griezmann, Messi or Bale? It's not like Ed is not trying hard. He has sent crazy emails to Bayern, etc.
I agree it's what we should be aiming for, but we all experienced with the belgian afro how it is to go for the big players to the very end and not getting them. We should work smart, before the other good targets that are still available end up at Milan, Arsenal, Spurs, City, etc.

I'd definitely take a bet on it not happening for those players.
 
I saw it, but do you really think we'll get just ONE out of Neymar, Sanchez, Griezmann, Messi or Bale? It's not like Ed is not trying hard. He has sent crazy emails to Bayern, etc.
I agree it's what we should be aiming for, but we all experienced with the belgian afro how it is to go for the big players to the very end and not getting them. We should work smart, before the other good targets are still available and hasn't ended up at Milan, Arsenal, Spurs, City, etc.

I'd definitely take a bet on it not happening for those players.
Why not? Arsenal managed to buy Sanchez from Barca. And now, it seems he wants out - why couldn't we get him, for example?
 
Did you see the KPMG stuff? We're the biggest, richest club on the planet - if we can't get those players then who can?? We got Pogba last summer. We should be buying big stars like Neymar, Sanchez, Griezeman, Messi, Bale, whoever not scrabbling round after players like the ones you've named
So we're not the richest club unless we go after unrealistic targets? Messi's buyout clause could feed an entire country for years. Sanchez and Griezmann yea but you lost me when you mentioned Messi and Neymar.
 
So we're not the richest club unless we go after unrealistic targets? Messi's buyout clause could feed an entire country for years. Sanchez and Griezmann yea but you lost me when you mentioned Messi and Neymar.
OK those two would be difficult but Barca are not the powerhouse they were.

Another example - Real Madrid bought Ronaldo from us at his prime (and when we were at the top of our game). Real Madrid fans equivalent to yourself would probably have said that couldn't be done, but they did it. Yet now, we are bigger / richer than Real Madrid so how is that any different from us now buying Bale?
 
Why not? Arsenal managed to buy Sanchez from Barca. And now, it seems he wants out - why couldn't we get him, for example?

The circumstances that he would leave a 5th place club to win trophies with a 6th place club far from challenging is why I think he's unrealistic.

Also Mou's style of football is nothing like Arsene's - It seems as if Sanchez doesn't go for the money but for a project that is entertaining football and closer to the top than we are.

I don't think money is his top priority - And that is sort of what we have to offer him right now.
 
OK those two would be difficult but Barca are not the powerhouse they were.

Another example - Real Madrid bought Ronaldo from us at his prime (and when we were at the top of our game). Real Madrid fans equivalent to yourself would probably have said that couldn't be done, but they did it. Yet now, we are bigger / richer than Real Madrid so how is that any different from us now buying Bale?
Ronaldo was always going to go back to Madrid; Madrid fans knew that. Madrid were known for paying exorbitant fees for players, i.e, Zidane and Luis Figo. So 80 mil was really nothing for them. If we priced Ronaldo at 150 mil and they still came in for him then yes that would be unexpected.
 
Ronaldo was always going to go back to Madrid; Madrid fans knew that. Madrid were known for paying exorbitant fees for players, i.e, Zidane and Luis Figo. So 80 mil was really nothing for them. If we priced Ronaldo at 150 mil and they still came in for him then yes that would be unexpected.

Back to Madrid?

Exorbitant fees? Pogba??
 
OK those two would be difficult but Barca are not the powerhouse they were.

Another example - Real Madrid bought Ronaldo from us at his prime (and when we were at the top of our game). Real Madrid fans equivalent to yourself would probably have said that couldn't be done, but they did it. Yet now, we are bigger / richer than Real Madrid so how is that any different from us now buying Bale?
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Did you see the KPMG stuff? We're the biggest, richest club on the planet - if we can't get those players then who can?? We got Pogba last summer. We should be buying big stars like Neymar, Sanchez, Griezeman, Messi, Bale, whoever not scrabbling round after players like the ones you've named
Because it isn't slave trading ...Player has the final say in most circumstance.

If Real/Barca had come knock the door and asked for prime Scholes, vow to make him into football superstar. Do you think he would have left ? wtf
 
Because it isn't slave trading ...Player has the final say in most circumstance.

If Real/Barca had come knock the door and asked for prime Scholes, vow to make him into football superstar. Do you think he would have left ? wtf

Neymar/Bale/Sanchez/Griezmann do not compare. They are NOT one player clubs like Scholes. So yes, if you offer them enough, they may come.
 
Yet now, we are bigger / richer than Real Madrid so how is that any different from us now buying Bale?
Madrid has won it 11 times (will probably be 12 by the end of today) and you have won it 3 times.

I know this might not seem relevant in your mind, but the majority of players are aware of the above fact, and hence they likely view Real Madrid as the biggest and best club in the world.

We had a chance to overthrow them but we failed.
 
Kane and Alli have both recently signed new, long-term contracts - so your "Pay me what im worth or im off" scenario is a non-starter.

So too is the notion of putting in massive bids for either player - all that will do is bump up their market-value for Spurs by setting a minimum benchmark for the future ... all to Levy's satisfaction.

You seem to think that flexing United's financial muscle - and spraying around wild bids left right and centre - would work only to your advantage. But of course it wouldn't. And apart from anything else it would also serve to bump up the asking price for other players that you may be interested in: club X says "well, you offered £120m for Kane, so player Y must be worth (insert earlier valuation + 50%) ...."
You make some good points, but you're overlooking some critical factors. First, Spurs are lucky in that Kane has such a strong bond with the club, and apparently Alli as well (I'm not an expert, that's how it seems to me). Secondly, we have yet to see Spurs finding themselves in the same position as Arsenal now do, with their best players having a tenuous relationship with the club, and having run down their contracts, United's financial muscle will most certainly be a factor in such situations. You're spot on though, in that it would make little to no sense for United to just go around offering outrageous salaries to players in an attempt to unsettle them, without having established a player's interest first.
 
Neymar/Bale/Sanchez/Griezmann do not compare. They are NOT one player clubs like Scholes. So yes, if you offer them enough, they may come.
Agree. I think Sparky's point is that we are most definitely able to compete at the very top end of the market, which is correct.
 
Did you see the KPMG stuff? We're the biggest, richest club on the planet - if we can't get those players then who can?? We got Pogba last summer. We should be buying big stars like Neymar, Sanchez, Griezeman, Messi, Bale, whoever not scrabbling round after players like the ones you've named

Man Utd are the richest club in the world, but its not as if Barca, Real, Arsenal are scrabbling around trying to find pennies to pay their players. All three of those are in the top 10, even Spurs are. None need to sell their players. Furthermore, all the players you have mentioned are key to those clubs' marketing and advertising revenues.

Why would Messi et al even want to leave. If we offered Barca an acceptable fee, why would Messi even want to go to Utd? Money is not everything.

We got Pogba because we have a top manager, we payed the right fee AND because he wanted to come and a lot of that has to do with him growing up at the club.
 
Man Utd are the richest club in the world, but its not as if Barca, Real, Arsenal are scrabbling around trying to find pennies to pay their players. All three of those are in the top 10, even Spurs are. None need to sell their players. Furthermore, all the players you have mentioned are key to those clubs' marketing and advertising revenues.

Why would Messi et al even want to leave. If we offered Barca an acceptable fee, why would Messi even want to go to Utd? Money is not everything.

We got Pogba because we have a top manager, we payed the right fee AND because he wanted to come and a lot of that has to do with him growing up at the club.
The key is the interest of the player. Players like Sanchez and Bale may very well be considering a move from their clubs for a variety of reasons, money possibly being one in Sanchez's case.
 
The key is the interest of the player. Players like Sanchez and Bale may very well be considering a move from their clubs for a variety of reasons, money possibly being one in Sanchez's case.

We can certaintly compete if those players do decide to leave. At this time I can't see Wenger allowing Sanchez to move to Utd, there would be mutiny amongst their supporters - even more than there is currently.

Utd, Barca, Madrid, PSG, City are all capable of breaking the world record - so there is severe competition to get the best players.
 
The key is the interest of the player. Players like Sanchez and Bale may very well be considering a move from their clubs for a variety of reasons, money possibly being one in Sanchez's case.

Sanchez states he wants to stay in PL,Arsenal say he's not for sale,Bayern say they are confident of a deal,lets test the resolve!
Bale has never shown an interest in joining us and I think RM will let him go after CL,we shouldn't get suckered into a swap deal for DDG,unless it involves Varane.
 
I don't know whats on Joses wish list exactly but mines is a new...

CB...LB...DM...LW...ST and RW

6 players. It's that bad. And De Gea might go. So throw in a keeper...7 new players. If the squad wasn't in the state it's in I'd be replacing Herrera as a starter as well, 8 new players.

It's that bad.

Pogba, Bailly and Valencia, you're OK for now.


Not sure if serious...
 
Do not envy jose's job this summer. Easily the hardest summer we have had to do in the last few years.

With City going mental and throwing money around like mad men and the Griezmann deal falling through there is not a lot of great options left that can get our attack to the level required.

Confident Jose can do it. If perisic is one attacker i would hope we also sign a striker and another attacker as if we don't i expect we wont have enough goals in us to compete.
 
Kane and Alli have both recently signed new, long-term contracts - so your "Pay me what im worth or im off" scenario is a non-starter.

So too is the notion of putting in massive bids for either player - all that will do is bump up their market-value for Spurs by setting a minimum benchmark for the future ... all to Levy's satisfaction.

You seem to think that flexing United's financial muscle - and spraying around wild bids left right and centre - would work only to your advantage. But of course it wouldn't. And apart from anything else it would also serve to bump up the asking price for other players that you may be interested in: club X says "well, you offered £120m for Kane, so player Y must be worth (insert earlier valuation + 50%) ...."
Be in denial all you like

But you are paying 2 of the best players in the prem about half what they would/will earn else where and winning nothing. How long do you think it would take for them to demand parity if the offer was on the table?

I dont know how much you earn, but someone says to you come work for us you do the same as you do now only get paid twice as much... Would you stay in your job out of some sense of loyalty that some small section of the public, who think you should have or a contract? No you wouldn't, nobody would... so dont even start.

The only question that remains is how to create the situation where you know you can get better else where. And unlike spurs, for United, money is no object. £120M for a guy who'll get us 30 goals a season for the next 8-10 years? Open the cheque book woody.
 
After Griezmann is out of the equation my wish list that I feel would transform us (on set pieces too):

Mendy+Lukaku+Bale+Dier/Fabinho
 
Be in denial all you like

But you are paying 2 of the best players in the prem about half what they would/will earn else where and winning nothing. How long do you think it would take for them to demand parity if the offer was on the table?

I dont know how much you earn, but someone says to you come work for us you do the same as you do now only get paid twice as much... Would you stay in your job out of some sense of loyalty that some small section of the public, who think you should have or a contract? No you wouldn't, nobody would... so dont even start.

The only question that remains is how to create the situation where you know you can get better else where. And unlike spurs, for United, money is no object. £120M for a guy who'll get us 30 goals a season for the next 8-10 years? Open the cheque book woody.

The analogy is false, because most people (those who are not professional footballers) can if they want simply hand in their notice to quit and then leave after the required notice period has expired: they are not under contract for years ahead to stay for as long as their employer want until the contract expires.

Nor is it a question of creating "the situation where you know you can get better else where" ... because Alli, Kane, and several other Spurs players already know they could get paid more elsewhere, but they still went ahead and signed new contracts with Spurs. Why? Because they like being at Spurs, they like the manager, feel that the club is progressing, have plenty of time left in their careers and they know that further contract increases will be on offer soon.

I agree with you in the sense that eventually Spurs will need to move their wages structure up a level. We don't need to do that right now, but the ongoing increases in our income, which is rising rapidly - and will be further boosted by the new stadium - will soon allow this.

If United thought they could sign either Kane or Alli this summer by offering lots of money, then they would already be moving to do so. But your club knows it's a non-starter and are wisely focusing on more realistic targets.
 
Needs to get his target man, which I'm sure is on the list. It's the only way the that his tactics become more effective.
 
Not sure if serious...
Unfortunately I am 100% serious the squad really is bad. You write down your starting 11 from our current squad and tell me you wouldn't replace 5-6 of them given the chance. You think we have a top class striker? I don't. You think we have ANY top drawer wingers? I don't. You think we have a good enough DM? Carrick? At his age? No. A top left back? Shaw? Nope. Not now, probably not ever. Is Rojo, Jones or Smalling a top CB? You wouldn't replace any of them!? You 100% sure De Gea will stay? You're not sick of the speculation every summer!? You're not sure if I'm serious!!!!???? Rest assured I am serious. The squad is bad and needs a LOT of work. Yes I am serious.
 
Unfortunately I am 100% serious the squad really is bad. You write down your starting 11 from our current squad and tell me you wouldn't replace 5-6 of them given the chance. You think we have a top class striker? I don't. You think we have ANY top drawer wingers? I don't. You think we have a good enough DM? Carrick? At his age? No. A top left back? Shaw? Nope. Not now, probably not ever. Is Rojo, Jones or Smalling a top CB? You wouldn't replace any of them!? You 100% sure De Gea will stay? You're not sick of the speculation every summer!? You're not sure if I'm serious!!!!???? Rest assured I am serious. The squad is bad and needs a LOT of work. Yes I am serious.

Football doesn't work like that though. You don't need 11 world class players to challenge for the league.

Would you have classed Alonso, Cahill, Moses as world class?
 
Football doesn't work like that though. You don't need 11 world class players to challenge for the league.

Would you have classed Alonso, Cahill, Moses as world class?
Where did I say they need to be world class?? They only need to be good enough. And right now Rashford is not. I would also say our wingers are not good enough but we don't have any! Only Bailly is a good enough CB. Forget World Class we are nowhere near that. I have no comment to make on Alonso, Cahill or Moses. Chelsea are not a great team, certainly not a team with many world class players if any! Just because they won the league last season does not make them a great team. They ain't the benchmark!!! They just acquired more points than any other team last year. Hardly a vintage year was it? Lets aspire to be better than the Chelsea 16/17 team eh?
 
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Unfortunately I am 100% serious the squad really is bad. You write down your starting 11 from our current squad and tell me you wouldn't replace 5-6 of them given the chance. You think we have a top class striker? I don't. You think we have ANY top drawer wingers? I don't. You think we have a good enough DM? Carrick? At his age? No. A top left back? Shaw? Nope. Not now, probably not ever. Is Rojo, Jones or Smalling a top CB? You wouldn't replace any of them!? You 100% sure De Gea will stay? You're not sick of the speculation every summer!? You're not sure if I'm serious!!!!???? Rest assured I am serious. The squad is bad and needs a LOT of work. Yes I am serious.

First of all, don't be hysterical. So, if I understand you correctly from your initial post, you would change 8 out of 11 current first team players and "Pogba, Bailly and Valencia, are OK for now". Well, good for them, we can also change them next summer if anyone would be kind enough to buy them.

No, I don't think this team needs so much change, even think that it has a good spine and needs only few quality additions. Also, I'm sure that I will not go into any more discussion about it as I don't see the point if you think we need to change the whole team. Rest assured I am serious about that.
 
Where did I say they need to be world class?? They only need to be good enough. And right now Rashford is not. I would also say our wingers are not good enough but we don't have any! Only Bailly is a good enough CB. Forget World Class we are nowhere near that. I have no comment to make on Alonso, Cahill or Moses. Chelsea are not a great team, certainly not a team with many world class players if any! Just because they won the league last season does not make them a great team. They ain't the benchmark!!! They just acquired more points than any other team last year. Hardly a vintage year was it? Lets aspire to be better than the Chelsea 16/17 team eh?

Our aim at the moment should be to be the best side in England yes. Chelsea at the moment are that team so being better than them will be a good start. Once we get to that point maybe we can build a side good enough to conquer Europe again.

Rome wasn't built in a day.
 
Unfortunately I am 100% serious the squad really is bad. You write down your starting 11 from our current squad and tell me you wouldn't replace 5-6 of them given the chance. You think we have a top class striker? I don't. You think we have ANY top drawer wingers? I don't. You think we have a good enough DM? Carrick? At his age? No. A top left back? Shaw? Nope. Not now, probably not ever. Is Rojo, Jones or Smalling a top CB? You wouldn't replace any of them!? You 100% sure De Gea will stay? You're not sick of the speculation every summer!? You're not sure if I'm serious!!!!???? Rest assured I am serious. The squad is bad and needs a LOT of work. Yes I am serious.

You can't sign 11 world class players in one transfer window and we can't have 11 superstars in the team.
 
Where did I say they need to be world class?? They only need to be good enough. And right now Rashford is not. I would also say our wingers are not good enough but we don't have any! Only Bailly is a good enough CB. Forget World Class we are nowhere near that. I have no comment to make on Alonso, Cahill or Moses. Chelsea are not a great team, certainly not a team with many world class players if any! Just because they won the league last season does not make them a great team. They ain't the benchmark!!! They just acquired more points than any other team last year. Hardly a vintage year was it? Lets aspire to be better than the Chelsea 16/17 team eh?
A bit exclamation mark heavy, mate ;)

We see this all the time, Real Madrid wins the champions League (which I assume might the be the impetus behind "aspiring to be better than Chelsea") and we should pursue Madrid's Galctico model. Barca gives us a hiding in UCL finals and our academy is a total failure and we should be more like Barca. Spend any money at all, and we've given up our history because "United makes players, we don't buy them". Which is nonsense.

You've got a fair few points that our team has gaps, though. Who really knows how good Smalling, Jones and Rojo are? I admit I don't have a clue anymore. The odds of Shaw kicking on look slimmer by the day, unfortunately. Rashford, and Martial especially, certainly haven't kicked on like we'd hoped, but they're still young. It's not unreasonable to think someone in that list might kick on and become a nailed on first team starter worthy of Man Utd, though.

On the other hand, it's fair to say some be sugar coating things. There is work to be done to improve the squad.
 
We aren't that far behind the teams above us and the only difference week after week is the teams above us had that player who turned a draw into a win. Ibra in essence was suppose to be our talisman but whilst he score a lot of goals, he missed a lot in key games.
 
We aren't that far behind the teams above us and the only difference week after week is the teams above us had that player who turned a draw into a win. Ibra in essence was suppose to be our talisman but whilst he score a lot of goals, he missed a lot in key games.
Nor sure if this a reply to my post, but I'm assuming it is.

You're right that if Ibra, and others, just ended up with the ball in the net a few more times, we'd have been much closer and probably would've ended up top 4.

However, Ibra massively exceeded expectations regardless, IMO. One gap between United and Chelsea and Spurs is that they legitimately have goal scoring threats throughout their squad. Costa and Kane are benefiting from teams having to deal with the other attacking threats in their squads. Put more succinctly, I disagree Chelsea and Spurs had "that player who turned a draw into a win" - they had players who turned a draw into a win.

For United, Ibra exceeded expectations, Mata did his job, Pogba did alright but can improve. After that, it was various degrees of underachievement from Mkitaryan, Rashford, Lingard, Martial. As for our defenders, a goal from them is like bird-watching and waiting for the rarest Valencian Red-Tailed Smallingbird, known to only appear twice yearly. I'm not buying some nonsense that Mourinho only wants his defenders to defend. At Chelsea, his fullbacks and centrebacks contributed goals.

To me, it's head in the sand to think all United need is new striker and we'll be there or thereabouts. I think some of this seasons underachievers will kick on next season, but unless we address some of the gaps in our squad, and start getting goals contributed from all over the pitch, we're probably not going to be in the title race, and we're not going to make a splash in the CL. I'm not saying we need major surgery, but hanging our hat on finding and bringing in a 25+ goal striker is dicey.
 
Where did I say they need to be world class?? They only need to be good enough. And right now Rashford is not. I would also say our wingers are not good enough but we don't have any! Only Bailly is a good enough CB. Forget World Class we are nowhere near that. I have no comment to make on Alonso, Cahill or Moses. Chelsea are not a great team, certainly not a team with many world class players if any! Just because they won the league last season does not make them a great team. They ain't the benchmark!!! They just acquired more points than any other team last year. Hardly a vintage year was it? Lets aspire to be better than the Chelsea 16/17 team eh?
Right now they are the benchmark. You don't go from premier league 6th place team to Barca/Madrid level in one summer. It's simply not happening.

One step at a time. We need to first be at the top or thereabouts in our own league. So we first have to improve enough to match the best in England. And that is a realistic goal for this summer.
 
Unfortunately I am 100% serious the squad really is bad. You write down your starting 11 from our current squad and tell me you wouldn't replace 5-6 of them given the chance. You think we have a top class striker? I don't. You think we have ANY top drawer wingers? I don't. You think we have a good enough DM? Carrick? At his age? No. A top left back? Shaw? Nope. Not now, probably not ever. Is Rojo, Jones or Smalling a top CB? You wouldn't replace any of them!? You 100% sure De Gea will stay? You're not sick of the speculation every summer!? You're not sure if I'm serious!!!!???? Rest assured I am serious. The squad is bad and needs a LOT of work. Yes I am serious.
I agree with you nearly 100% I think we could manage without a RW and Herrera is improving, but the rest DM Striker LB LW CB are essential I think, but it might take a couple of windows to get them all.
 
Nor sure if this a reply to my post, but I'm assuming it is.

You're right that if Ibra, and others, just ended up with the ball in the net a few more times, we'd have been much closer and probably would've ended up top 4.

However, Ibra massively exceeded expectations regardless, IMO. One gap between United and Chelsea and Spurs is that they legitimately have goal scoring threats throughout their squad. Costa and Kane are benefiting from teams having to deal with the other attacking threats in their squads. Put more succinctly, I disagree Chelsea and Spurs had "that player who turned a draw into a win" - they had players who turned a draw into a win.

For United, Ibra exceeded expectations, Mata did his job, Pogba did alright but can improve. After that, it was various degrees of underachievement from Mkitaryan, Rashford, Lingard, Martial. As for our defenders, a goal from them is like bird-watching and waiting for the rarest Valencian Red-Tailed Smallingbird, known to only appear twice yearly. I'm not buying some nonsense that Mourinho only wants his defenders to defend. At Chelsea, his fullbacks and centrebacks contributed goals.

To me, it's head in the sand to think all United need is new striker and we'll be there or thereabouts. I think some of this seasons underachievers will kick on next season, but unless we address some of the gaps in our squad, and start getting goals contributed from all over the pitch, we're probably not going to be in the title race, and we're not going to make a splash in the CL. I'm not saying we need major surgery, but hanging our hat on finding and bringing in a 25+ goal striker is dicey.
This. This is what seperates us from the other top teams, and certainly with comparison with Utd teams from yesteryear. To improve this coming season we need the defence and midfield to chip in with a lot more goals, so the attack can do their job as well. 49 & 55 goals in 2 seasons is simply nowhere good enough. Over the season we need to find another 30+ goals at the very least.
 
This. This is what seperates us from the other top teams, and certainly with comparison with Utd teams from yesteryear. To improve this coming season we need the defence and midfield to chip in with a lot more goals, so the attack can do their job as well. 49 & 55 goals in 2 seasons is simply nowhere good enough. Over the season we need to find another 30+ goals at the very least.

This is accurate. The first step is getting the striker who would score 25+ goals but hes not enough by himself. That being said I doubt we'll be able to get all of that done in one summer window and considering the wrench that Griezman threw in our plans i'd temper my expectations about next season.
 
This is accurate. The first step is getting the striker who would score 25+ goals but hes not enough by himself. That being said I doubt we'll be able to get all of that done in one summer window and considering the wrench that Griezman threw in our plans i'd temper my expectations about next season.
No I dont either. I was hoping we would go full throttle and buy half a team as we could do with shipping half a dozen out, but I am now thinking 3-4 will probably be the tops and another window to get the team exactly as he wants. As long as we are comfortable top 4 hopefully top 3 in May I think we would have to accept that as progress. I was reading a while ago, around Jan-Feb that Mourinho said it will take 3 years to win the league (although last August we were going for it according to him) and this might be more accurate.
 
We seriously need to replace Lingard (should be sold) and Rashford (should only be a squad option) in our first eleven. Neither of them are remotely productive and they're first choice, it's madness.
I think a lot of people see massive potential in Rashford and was one of our better players at the end of the year. He shouldn't be relied on at this stage though. Has a lot to learn.