The Jose quotes suggest he is frustrated as his targets are currently looking unattainable.
There really is more cash than talent floating around right now.
There really is more cash than talent floating around right now.
Jose's Wish List...
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2 things need to be done.
1, We need to replace Ibra with another top striker. This could cost in the region of £80M and even then there is no guarantee that he will get close to what Ibra did for us this season.
2, We also need to replace one of MMM (Mata, Martial, Miki), who in the EPL were only able to score around 5 goals each...which is an absolute disaster.
To put this in perspective, Falcao who was arguably the worst striker I have seen play for us in the last decade, scored 4 league goals. MMM, each scored only 1 goal more than Falcao.
The much maligned Defoe. The guy who apparently is not good enough to play for MUFC. The guy who played for the worst club in the EPL. He scored around the same number of league goals as MMM put together! <<read this again.
That last sentence highlights just how bad MMM are and why at least 1 of them need to be replaced this Summer. This replacement will likely cost in the region of £60M and there is no guarantee that he will do any better than the guy he is replacing.
So, that's 2 players costing £140M, to "maybe" help us score more goals than last season.
Jose has definitely got his work cut out.
True, but why haven't other clubs got that memo? They seem to be making agreements with their targets, while we seem not to be.
I just cannot see any top quality attackers looking attainable right now.
Some ''good'' ones, sure. But nothing tier 1 (e.g. Griezmann, Bale) which is what we desperately need.
Some ''good'' ones, sure. But nothing tier 1 (e.g. Griezmann, Bale) which is what we desperately need.
This isn't true though. City have signed two players. Liverpool have signed Salah and Solanke, neither player would be wanted by United fans. All other clubs have speculation in the papers which could be complete lies.
I think the opposite is true; our general mediocrity has made our fans overrate him in the same way that they did with Januzaj.
Incidentally, I think he has a lot more in common with Adnan than he does with Rooney and Ronaldo. They were levels beyond him.
He had a couple of good games in the europa league but for most of the season he was pretty poor. I just don't see this potential in him that others see.
Finishing? average. Passing? average. Dribbling? he's fast but doesn't have good close control. I just don't see the makings of a top player there at all. I hope I'm wrong mind.
Rashford has pretty damn good close control, skill and his finishing isn't bad at all, certainly it could use improvement but he's young, of course he can improve things.
If it forces us to use more youth then is this a bad thing?
I'm getting disillusioned with the current climate of "throw money at it until you have a world class team"
I thought it was June 9th.
Yep Rashford is going to be a star but he needs help from others (Lukaku perhaps) to take the weight of scoring goals of his shoulders to allow him to develop. Rashford as you'd expect has lots to learn (playing with back to goal, decision making and finishing spring to mind) but the kid is going to be a sensational player for us.
It baffles me how people seem to unanimously think he's going to be a "sensational" player. I don't think he's even as gifted as Welbeck was.
https://www.premierleague.com/news/397434
Stand corrected. Although I've seen date July 01 on various sites, seems you are way closer. And since players, agents and clubs can discuss contract terms and final fees even before it's practically started.
I think it is July 1 for the Bundesliga, La Liga, Serie A and others.
Yes, people need to realize how young Rashford still is. He would have too much pressure on his shoulders to score goals if he was our main striker.
He said something like he has to go back home to do his chemistry homework after a match last season. Thats how young he is!
With someone like Adnan I definitely understand your skepticism. I didn't rate him quite as highly so i didn't link the two.
I'm with you that Rashford is not near where Rooney and Ronaldo were at 19. But I don't think he's far off. I would like to see how he plays with a better core around him, more experience and of course the manager. That's something the other two were privileged to have.
He did, more than usual. He has looked pretty fed up with life for some time now. Who the hell lives in a hotel for a full year? Makes me think he is really unsure about how long he is staying at the club.
I've got to say, this 'list' concerns me slightly, firstly it was decided in march/April. Obviously a lot has changed since then; we got CL, Greizmann bottled it, and I'm sure he was on it.
Secondly, I'm concerned that if there are only 3/4 names on the list, we may get burnt again if we can't get the desired players. For example the latest mendy news, and the fact aubameyang is available should factor into our plans.
Maybe it's mind games but if Jose is really taking a back seat until august whilst the likes of klopp (and wenger) if reports are to be believed are travelling about talking to players, I feel this summer could be a massive let down for us.
Im already struggling to think of who we'll get in beyond lindelof and Keane who I expect, but am not necessarily sold on. If we only sign those two and Oreos if whilst losing de gea, I'd be dreading next season; that's the worst case scenario though at this early stage imo.
Secondly, I'm concerned that if there are only 3/4 names on the list, we may get burnt again if we can't get the desired players. For example the latest mendy news, and the fact aubameyang is available should factor into our plans.
Maybe it's mind games but if Jose is really taking a back seat until august whilst the likes of klopp (and wenger) if reports are to be believed are travelling about talking to players, I feel this summer could be a massive let down for us.
Im already struggling to think of who we'll get in beyond lindelof and Keane who I expect, but am not necessarily sold on. If we only sign those two and Oreos if whilst losing de gea, I'd be dreading next season; that's the worst case scenario though at this early stage imo.
You've gotta be taking the piss now.
There were probably more than 3 or 4 names. Probably some alternatives. Jose has been around too long to not be prepared for the option of not getting your first choice.
The point of saying it is only June Xth is that there is still plenty of time to go in the window. So no need to panic even if other clubs have signed a player or two, that happens every summer. Teams are not even back in training yet. No points are being awarded. You will not get a trophy for signing a players today as opposed to two weeks from now. There is plenty of time to get our business done.
I thought and still do Welbeck should never have been sold. Welbeck was an excellent young player here much better than Lingard for sure. Rashford has that extra special explosiveness that is hard to find. His ceiling is much higher than Welbeck for me.
Yes and then you have the concerns of who the feck is Rashfords backup!
I think you would have to be delusional To think otherwise.
Rooney?
You trying to get me banned?
If that is your viewpoint, then you understand where I'm coming from then.
Absolutely not. Bad joke! Bad joke everyone!
I hate it tbh. The whole "MUFC Galactico Project" feels completely alien to me. Plus I'm fairly convinced it's not gonna bring us much success.
The current tweets and rumours just don't seem right to me, apart from Keane and Perisic the rest just seem totally made up.
To be completely honest though the past couple of days, I've started to re-think Morata a bit. Not because he's cheap, blah blah. But because he went to Juve, unwanted by Real Madrid, and put his down, got to work. Then Madrid brought him back on buyback clause, not because they wanted him, but to keep his resell value and reap the profits. Again, he put his head down, and took whatever opportunities Real gave him. I'm kind of respecting the hell outta this kid. That might be a United player. Go on Jose!
I understand fully. But I'm trying to give you a pep talk to cheer you up and accept the present reality. Your post sounded like you were an it down. I'm working on my tough love.
I think it has almost always been the case that the best teams spend allot it's just that the numbers now seem ludicrous. Imagine how much Best would have cost in today's market :s
Sorry to late mate reported
They should clear that one up. My bad, mate. Put that report on my tab
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Was mentioning the same in his transfer thread. Not just that he is quality player but his attitude seems to be spot on. Hope he is high on that list and we can pull off this deal. Would be absolutely delighted with him.
Edit: Just seen that Real apparently want 78 mil quids for him. That's truly insane and they are now taking the piss. There is no way he is worth that much.
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Kinda now regretting not just throwing £90 million at Spurs last season or the one before for Kane. Would have looked ridiculous at the time and I'd have wondered what we were smoking, but would have avoided us being in this mess and would have had a top class striker in his prime for years to come.
But he'd only done it for one season!
Much like Mbappe now.
You need to take risks in football. You can't just wait until a player becomes world class before you pay, because by then everyone else will want him too (if he's even attainable).
Agree but pretty sure we would take the risk on Mbappe. It's just he's the hottest property in Europe and would almost certainly choose Madrid over us.
His comments sound like he is not happy with this summer's transfer prospects since Griezmann said no.
Griezmann is a bitterly blow. I always thought that was nailed-on.
Now, it is very difficult to see us having a particularly exciting summer.
Talent does not look available.
I hope we do not blow a ton of money on ''good'' players. We need top quality or just going to have to wait.
Griezmann is a bitterly blow. I always thought that was nailed-on.
Now, it is very difficult to see us having a particularly exciting summer.
Talent does not look available.
I hope we do not blow a ton of money on ''good'' players. We need top quality or just going to have to wait.
Throw enough mud at the wall, some is bound to stick. Not a fan of the whole 'galactico' concept, but there really is no other viable alternative available to us. If we genuinely want to be trading punches with the big boys again - challenging for league titles and competing in the CL - then we simply must buy our way back. Just a matter of identifying and securing the correct targets, admittedly this is easier said than done.
Time and money is what it wI'll take.
Time and money is what it wI'll take.
scouting and picking up the next big things?
I disagree with a galactico policy - our willingness to throw money around resulted in us paying way over the odds for Fellaini, Mata, Shaw and it's not exactly yielded great results
fair enough if a Pogba (young, talented, resale value) becomes available or a Bale (at the top of his game) is achievable but we have to throw our net a bit wider than the elite players of Europe