Jose Mourinho vs Pep Guardiola vs Carlo Ancelotti

Ideal next manager of Man United

  • Jose Mourinho

    Votes: 60 14.4%

  • Pep Guardiola

    Votes: 306 73.4%

  • Carlo Ancelotti

    Votes: 51 12.2%
  • Total voters
    417

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Interesting comments in other threads about these 3 being the strongest candidates for the manager's job. But in a straight-out contest, who is best?
 
Guardiola for me because he has the attacking balance but also gets you results in the league and European cup.

Where as Ancelotti is great in the European cup but his league record isn't great.

Mourinho is the middle guy because his teams can play attacking football when he wants them too, but he also can get them to play defensive football. He gets you results in the league and Europe.
 
Bojan11 said:
Guardiola for me because he has the attacking balance but also gets you results in the league and European cup.

Where as Ancelotti is great in the European cup but his league record isn't great.

Mourinho is the middle guy because his teams can play attacking football when he wants them too, but he also can get them to play defensive football. He gets you results in the league and Europe.
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But incredible Barca and Bayern squads dominating their respective leagues a good enough yard-stick?
 
Member 5225 said:
But incredible Barca and Bayern squads dominating their respective leagues a good enough yard-stick?
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Not voting, but Jesus Christ of course it is. He did everything he could at Barcelona. He has taken Bayern to 2 consecutive semi-finals. If that's not enough pedigree you're being delusional.
 
adexkola said:
Not voting, but Jesus Christ of course it is. He did everything he could at Barcelona. He has taken Bayern to 2 consecutive semi-finals. If that's not enough pedigree you're being delusional.
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Relax, am just saying - haven't Pep's squads been pretty much ready made for him?
Just being the devils-advocate here....am still digesting it all!
 
adexkola said:
Not voting, but Jesus Christ of course it is. He did everything he could at Barcelona. He has taken Bayern to 2 consecutive semi-finals. If that's not enough pedigree you're being delusional.
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I'm, sorry, but it's not delusional at all.

Pep has never proven himself in a situation in which he'd find himself in at Utd. He's been extraordinarily privileged so far in his coaching career, to the point it's very difficult to assess him.
 
Ancelotti > Mourinho > Guardiola for the long term.

Mourinho > Pep = Ancelotti for the short term.
 
Member 5225 said:
Relax, am just saying - haven't Pep's squads been pretty much ready made for him?
Just being the devils-advocate here....am still digesting it all!
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They were.

His amazing Barca years coincide with the best years of one L.Messi, a player who will go down as one of the best, if not the best ever.

And winning with Heynkness Bayern, in Germany...I'd say Big Sam could do it.
 
Pep will never get the credit for what he did at Barcelona in some people's eyes.


Anyway its a tough decision. Carlo is good with cups. Pep and Mourinho are good at both cups and leagues. Ancelotti i feel is very good at managing egos, better than both Pep and Jose. I'll go with Pep. Given the money and ability to attract good youths, which is available at every top club i think he does a good job.
 
Member 5225 said:
But incredible Barca and Bayern squads dominating their respective leagues a good enough yard-stick?
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Yes when you up against a team like Real Madrid who were spending money for fun. Real Madrid under Pellegrinni got like 95 points and still lost the league. You have to give Pep credit for that consistency. Barca weren't dominating when Pep arrived also. They finished 3rd. He got rid of two big names in Ronaldinho and Deco. Which were very big decisions especially Ronaldinho. It was him who moved Messi from the right to the centre.

If Pep arrives here, we would need four new players. In fact any of these managers arrive here we would need four players.
 
Mourinhos achievements at Porto, Chelsea and Inter out shine the other two for me. Mourinho has done it 'inferior' squads. He's perfect for us in that sense.
 
Member 5225 said:
Relax, am just saying - haven't Pep's squads been pretty much ready made for him?
Just being the devils-advocate here....am still digesting it all!
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No, is the short answer. Maybe at Bayern, but not at Barcelona.

redmeister said:
I'm sorry, but it's not delusional at all.

Pep has never proven himself in a situation in which he'd find himself in at Utd. He's been extraordinarily privileged so far in his coaching career, to the point it's very difficult to assess him.
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1. Every situation is unique. None of the above managers have walked into situations similar to our current state
2. Pep did an excellent job at Barcelona, their before and after state is documented in history
3. Your post indicates that even if he won the CL with Bayern, you wouldn't rate his record at all, which is delusional
 
adexkola said:
1. Every situation is unique. None of the above managers have walked into situations similar to our current state
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Ancelotti joined Milan in a similar situation, if I'm not mistaken.
 
Bojan11 said:
Yes when you up against a team like Real Madrid who were spending money for fun. Real Madrid under Pellegrinni got like 95 points and still lost the league. You have to give Pep credit for that consistency. Barca weren't dominating when Pep arrived also. They finished 3rd. He got rid of two big names in Ronaldinho and Deco. Which were very big decisions especially Ronaldinho. It was him who moved Messi from the right to the centre.

If Pep arrives here, we would need four new players. In fact any of these managers arrive here we would need four players.
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Where were Barca in the league when Frank Rihkaard took over? Didn't they finish 6th the previous season. In fact they hadn't finished higher than 4th for the 3 previous seasons. He then took them to 2nd, 1st, 1st and won the CL. Yet he's not much cop is he. People talk about Pep's reign as better, but he took over in far better circumstances than Rijkaard. When you consider what the club had achieved in the years prior to each managers arrival, suddenly Pep doesn't look any better than Rijkaard.
 
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Guardiola (for rather obvious reasons - aesthetic, winning football, albeit with relatively to max. stacked squads - he can build a great team but right now we're far removed from where Barcelona and Bayern Munich were - that said he will likely be up to the job over the course of a 4 year contract). Followed by Mourinho and Ancelotti on the same plane. Carlo is a very likeable character, his teams generally play good football, and he is a superlative man manager. But José has a better track record (Top 3 manager of the post 2000 era IMO), and I think he's the better 'manager' of the two who could thrive when given greater control over the proceeding of the club. Obviously, his caustic personality might go against our reputation as one of the good guys, so you'll be making a deal with the devil - but when Mourinho's at 100%, there's no better manager around in my estimation atleast.

Whether he can get back to his Internazionale level is the question though. That version of José was up there with Fergie in terms of force of personality, pragmatism, extracting 110% out of his players and just bloody winning mentality. Could be wrong, but he seems slightly jaded now. Part of it has to do with him managing under Florentino and Abramovich because there are a lot of moving parts involved with those two - and both clubs bowed to player power to varying degrees instead of holding atleast some of them accountable for the shenanigans, part of it has to do with some of his personal struggles - he's a human after all - and not completely evil, and in fairness - a lot of it has to do with his descent from a misunderstood clown to a pantomime villain having a go at all and sundry. Be as it may I do think José's resume is being underestimated a bit in the wake of Chelsea's performances this season, and too many people take his antics personally. Yes, he can be a gobshite and a bit twattish, but if he's the manager of your club - then he's your twat, and you'll come to love him, and overlook some of his flaws.

Might sound cliche - but I think José's ego has taken a massive blow after the events at both Madrid and Chelsea, and he will be chomping on the bit to set his record straight. Might prove to be be a risky appointment, but he's like the comeback kid - you shouldn't count him out. Think he'll come back in a big way. And I still believe he wants to manage United. Fergie was one of the biggest allies, a mentor, and his biggest rival in terms of José's overall legacy in the game (bar Guardiola). And he'll be more than willing to take up the challenge in terms of silverware atleast. Then again, what do I know, maybe he'll bring the club to its knees, play stone age football, and sully our good reputation. So maybe we're better served keeping him at an arm's length.
 
I'd rather have Simeone if he was available. But out of the three, I'd probably opt for Pep. We'd undoubtedly be the weakest squad he's ever inherited and it'd be fascinating to see whether he could emulate his trademark style of play with us. Ancelotti would be the safer choice, but Pep has the potential to make us something special, if he can get the right players in.
 
adexkola said:
No, is the short answer. Maybe at Bayern, but not at Barcelona.



1. Every situation is unique. None of the above managers have walked into situations similar to our current state
2. Pep did an excellent job at Barcelona, their before and after state is documented in history
3. Your post indicates that even if he won the CL with Bayern, you wouldn't rate his record at all, which is delusional
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I've answered point 2 above.

3, it's not really delusional as there are only 1 or 2 clubs that play in the CL that it wouldn't be a huge shock if they beat Bayern. Without even knowing who they are going to play, we can say they have a better squad than arguably everyone. You mentioned getting to 2 semi finals in a row, but if you look at who the played in those 2 runs, who would you seriously say was a reasonable opponent for them? It's a club the prior to Pep taking over had won the Bundesliga by 25 points and destroyed teams like Barca and Juve whilst winning the CL. We aren't talking about an average team here. Much like the Barca team Pep had, the Bayern team he took over had the core group of players that dominated the international game with their country. Had Frank Rijkaard taken over Bayern instead of Pep, I find it hard to believe he'd have done any worse.
 
I think you need to make a Mourinho poll with yes as the only option. It's the only way it'll soothe your aching heart.
 
JPRouve said:
Because the competition was fierce in Serie A, the Juventus was almost invincible.
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He had a Milan team with Maldini, Nesta, Pirlo, Shevshenko, Kaka, Gattuso, Dida... He won the CL twice with them, beating Juventus once in the finals. The other time he rested players in league matches while we had eyes on the league and CL. He only won the league once with that group of players and that is underwhelming.
 
It's hard to judge Pep as he's managed two teams that were both great when he got there and needed minimum tweaks. Not sure how he is in building a team that has many flaws. Mourinho is a cnut. Therefore I had to choose Carlo Ancelotti.
 
Amazing really, go back a year and Jose would comfortably above Carlo in the peaking order.
 
pep took barca from 3rd to 1st. sold TWBP in a rebuild. took Mascherano and made him a cb for barca (and the argies). built the team around a multifuctioning midf 3. moved kids into the team. and he won it all. and he knew when to chop someone
 
adexkola said:
He had a Milan team with Maldini, Nesta, Pirlo, Shevshenko, Kaka, Gattuso, Dida... He won the CL twice with them, beating Juventus once in the finals. The other time he rested players in league matches while we had eyes on the league and CL. He only won the league once with that group of players and that is underwhelming.
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And Juventus had Conte, Buffon, Thuram, Zambrotta, Nedved, Trezeguet, Salas, Ferrara, Del Piero, Camoranesi, Davids, Ibrahimovic or Emerson coached by Lippi and Capello.
 
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