If he really loved football he'd manage a mid table or relegation battling club. He's just after meaningless trophies in leagues no one watches and money.
Last edited:
Jose Mourinho | Sacked by Roma
- Thread starter roonster09
- Start date
Also if he wins the league he will join carlo ancelotti and tomislav ivic, i.e. winning domestic league title in 5 different countries in europe. That will be some achievement.
Ivic: Top-flight titles won: Yugoslavia, Netherlands, Belgium, Portugal, France. With hadjuk split - Marseille - Anderlecht - Porto and Ajax
Ancelotti: Top-flight titles won: Italy, England, Spain, France, Germany. With AC Milan, Real Madrid, PSG, Bayern, Chelsea.
Mourinho: Top-flight titles won: Portugal, Italy, England, Spain. With Porto, Inter Milan, Chelsea, Real Madrid.
Last edited:
Very myopic post. You realise there are football fans in turkey and they have a domestic league which is popular domestically and also play in European competition.
Yes I realise
Good move for him. Great league, hugely passionate and intense fans, win a league there and have a good run in Europe, perhaps get them to a Conference League final.
From there my guess would be either Greece and then the Portugal league.
Then national team.
From there my guess would be either Greece and then the Portugal league.
Then national team.
Ludicrous, listen to some podcasts from ex pros about playing in Turkey.
Fallen?
He's managed Spurs, Roma and now Fener.
He won a trophy with Roma, likely might win a trophy with Fener, no one wins trophies with Spurs.
His career is in its later stages so this is normal.
Saudi/China/Qatar/Miami would be fallen.
Turkish football fans are absolutely bonkers though. The atmosphere in the big games dwarf the EPL
Depends on if you count France in that tier. Portugal, Netherlands, Belgium sometimes give them a run for their money regarding the 5th place UEFA coefficient.
I do
Yes. Mourinho would need a bundesliga title. then you'd be splitting hairs between french and portugese domestic leagues about which is the 'fifth' best league.
Does anyone have the big 4 plus one of Portugal, Netherlands or Belgium?
Just been looking at those co-efficients. In 12/13 when Carlo won Ligue 1 France were 5th best performing nation so I guess that counts. They weren't exactly established though. They'd previously ranked 7th, 8th, 5th, 6th and 10th in the 5 years prior.
Is big 5 just co-efficients anyway or an accumulation of things? Average/cumulative attendance, transfer spend, total revenue, tv audience figures + coefficient.
Like him or loathe him, he’s Jose Mourinho! One the greatest managers of all time, so this whole run on diminishing returns is a shambles.
It doesn’t damage his legacy, but it does indicate that he has fallen to depths that would have been imperceptible a decade ago.
I think its more of a case that his football philiosphy has fallen out of fashion with the elite tier. Bielsa philiopshy found its perfect pupil in Pep Guardiola and european football followed suit with his amazing level of success (FC 115 aside). Mourinho, 10 men behind the ball, be organised, have little posession and difficult to beat is out of vogue. Not pretty on the eye. But it works in knockout competitions.
Meh, his style of football was always going to be short term, football moved on and he didn't.
"If Madrid were to fire me, I wouldn't go to Malaga. I'd go to a top-level team in Italy or England" - Jose Mourinho.
That was 10 years ago or more when he said that
Time waits for no one.
Not sure why people are looking down on the Turkish League. Much better to go to a club as storied as Fener then a mid-table club in the PL.
Passionate fans, decent to good teams at the top, chance to compete in Europe. Look at scenes for Olympiakos this week winning the Conference League.
Everyone seems to think the sterile PL is the be all and end all. I'm not even sticking up for Mourinho, I don't really rate him or dislike him either way but I think it's a decent career move for someone who can't manage the top clubs in the PL, La Liga, Serie A.
Passionate fans, decent to good teams at the top, chance to compete in Europe. Look at scenes for Olympiakos this week winning the Conference League.
Everyone seems to think the sterile PL is the be all and end all. I'm not even sticking up for Mourinho, I don't really rate him or dislike him either way but I think it's a decent career move for someone who can't manage the top clubs in the PL, La Liga, Serie A.
Jose will absolutely love it.
He said that about Pellegrini who's now been at Real Betis for 4 years, in most seasons finished 5th/6th and even won the Spanish Cup. So arguably has had a better career than Mourinho over last 5 years or so. Mourinho was often a prick back when he was still on the top. Mocked Wenger about not winning the title in 10 years and except for 2015, hasn't won one either. Said he won 3 trophies in a season with United so basically counted Community Shield and I'm sure 10 years ago he wouldn't count that as a trophy. Also said his biggest success recently was 2nd place with United and while that is still our best finish since Fergie (and with 81 points), in reality De Gea had (his last) world class season and won us like 10 points alone.
Yeah but it is not a rivalry anymore. Fener's president is trying to turn this into more than a rivalry. You need to understand the psychological burden TUrkish people are facing for the last few years. Football is more or less the only thing they have to keep their minds occupied. These people has started to become enemies rather than rivals. Especially if you follow social media it is easier to understand.
Fener's president is adding wood to an already huge fire every single day. He is an irresponsible, Trump like figure who has never been said no. I am not sure working with this guy will benefit Mourinho. I always wanted to like Mourinho and I don't think he never fully embraced United so I am not a fan of him. But I regard him higher than working with this idiot. He does not have a better option I guess.
Can see it both ways. Fanatical supporters and quite a lot of them too. They get bigger attendances than half the PL and more than half the teams in all the other big 5 leagues. They'd be the 5th best supported in France.
With the chance of winning stuff too, it seems more a fun environment than working for Crystal Palace or Osasuna (people saying he should go mid-table).
Going the other way I remember when Brendan Rodgers quit Celtic for Leicester. Celtic fans were on the radio phone in shows, unable to understand it, considering themselves to be a much bigger club. At the time I thought I'd rather work for Leicester too. Bringing that up due to some parallels with Celtic/Fenerbahce being big clubs in less glamorous leagues. There's differences too though so perhaps not the best thing to mention. Turkish league has more competition than Scotland and can attract higher profile players.
He did
Agreed. I think he wants to win trophies. The myopic view of the PL means we get some daft posts about how managing a mid table PL team is more prestigious than managing the best clubs in countries outside the big 4.
Wouldnt be surprised if mourinho delivered fenebache's first European trophy. He'd become a legend in turkey if he did so. The Europa league / conference league may not be highly rated by UK fans, but across Europe it's seen as a big achievement.
Just saw a video where he talks about Sancho.
He mentions he didn’t always get the best out of young players but he often did.
Which young players developed well under him?
He mentions he didn’t always get the best out of young players but he often did.
Which young players developed well under him?
Thought he was very fair with his comments about the Sancho situation when the presenter was clearly egging him on to slag United off.
Didnt realise that Mourinho is joint top with Trappatoni for most european trophies won (5).
Ancelotti will probably join them later tonight on (5).
Ancelotti will probably join them later tonight on (5).
I can't stand the man's ego, but always enjoy his punditry cameos. Having said that, so many of his insights aren't objective and are just an extension of his own dogma. Plays his own caricature impeccably well.
I still love him.
https://x.com/TheSportsman/status/1797037551452139631
Edit: Why can't I embed this Tweet? 2nd Edit, ty Horsechocker.
https://x.com/TheSportsman/status/1797037551452139631
Edit: Why can't I embed this Tweet? 2nd Edit, ty Horsechocker.
Last edited:
One of the all time greats.
Change x to twitter
Who do you think I am, Elon Musk?
He was, but the usual suspects are going to hate anyway.
McTominay.
I think when this was put a decade ago he was claiming Varane. Terry and Lampard at Chelsea established themselves under Ranieri, Mourinho just made them winners.
The funny thing is that I fully expect him to make Fenerbahçe worse.
Win the title and possibly European trophy (would be Conference League most probably) and he'll be a legend there.
Weird place, fans.