Jose Mourinho Sack Watch

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No, I mean we've a shit youth record in the last decade, regardless of trying or not. I never said it had to be the class of 92, but one or two good first teamers wouldn't exactly be too much to ask for. Can we really say we've given youth that many chances? LvG sort of has but his chances are mostly throwing them into the deep end of a shark filled swimming pool and hoping they come out of it OK, even when they're clearly not ready or outright not good enough for us.
We haven't got a "shit record". Our talents from the previous batch just couldn't make the step up to the level we needed them to. And then we went through the post-SAF transition which was always going to be hard for them to come through. All of which is natural, really. Every batch of young players isn't going to work out as expected for one reason or another, but it wont cause the club's reliance on youth to change. Did we give them a chance? Of course we did. The likes of Welbeck, Cleverley and Evans got plenty of chances. Not sure why you'd question that unless you're doing it for the sake of questioning it.

And now we're continuing to do so under LVG with the current crop. Whether they've been thrown innto the deep end is irrelevant. He made a decision to trim the squad so that he could keep up the tradition which further proves the club's intention as I've been stating. Even under Moyes, the worst year we've had in ages, we managed to turn Januzaj into an important first team player and announce himself on the stage.

And on top of that, we couple that with buying young players with big potential, as we've done recently with Shaw, Martial and Memphis, as we did 7 years back with Anderson and Nani, as we did 12 odd years back with Rooney and Ronaldo.

The overarching point is that Manchester United, like Barcelona, give young players and youth academy products chances. Mourinho is the exact opposite of that, and not fit to carry those traditions forward.

I'm all for playing styles and organisational structures evolving but I, for one, would like to see this tradition continued. And to me it seems, so would the club.

Maybe this is irrelevant for you and hence you want Mourinho here.

You think LvG has handled himself well? Nah, not for me. Constantly spews condescending, bad-shit crazy stuff that some seem to misinterpret as him being smarter than us when it comes to football when in reality he's a spoofer who just wants people to think he's smarter than him so he says all this bollocks and contradicts himself every week.
Well, considering you're comparing him to a guy who pokes opposing staff members in the eye, calls his rival managers a "specialist in failure", treats his medical staff like crap and tells another manager to lose weight, I think LVG has been an angel in comparison for us. There's no way you can dislike LVG for his behavior (for us) and hail the worst behaving top-level manager about. You might prefer Mourinho's personality, that's your call, but it's a different point.

You say you're not specifically looking for SAF, but honestly, that list of criteria looks like you want SAF, or some other mystical manager I don't know of. Pep maybe comes closest but he hasn't been anywhere long enough yet to suggest he has a long term vision yet.
There are plenty of managers who might fulfill that criteria. You know, you can disagree with my criterea without going "noone on earth meets it!". His teams do play dull football, he does ignore youth and he can be a toxic influence. Those aren't things you care about and that's fine. But let's not pretend that just because Mourinho fails on those counts, everyone else does too. He's someone who you look for instant trophies IMO, with whom you have to make some concessions in certain areas, and hope it all works out. I don't want the club to make those concessions and I'm not all that sure he'd be a success either. Hence, a big fat no to Mourinho.
 
No, I mean we've a shit youth record in the last decade, regardless of trying or not. I never said it had to be the class of 92, but one or two good first teamers wouldn't exactly be too much to ask for. Can we really say we've given youth that many chances? LvG sort of has but his chances are mostly throwing them into the deep end of a shark filled swimming pool and hoping they come out of it OK, even when they're clearly not ready or outright not good enough for us.

You think LvG has handled himself well? Nah, not for me. Constantly spews condescending, bad-shit crazy stuff that some seem to misinterpret as him being smarter than us when it comes to football when in reality he's a spoofer who just wants people to think he's smarter than him so he says all this bollocks and contradicts himself every week.

You say you're not specifically looking for SAF, but honestly, that list of criteria looks like you want SAF, or some other mystical manager I don't know of. Pep maybe comes closest but he hasn't been anywhere long enough yet to suggest he has a long term vision yet.

You are crazy if you think that LvG says more crazy stuff than mourinho. I suggest you watch everyone of his post match interviews this season and last. My recommendation: the 'I have nothing to say' after the Liverpool loss (?)
 
You are crazy if you think that LvG says more crazy stuff than mourinho. I suggest you watch everyone of his post match interviews this season and last. My recommendation: the 'I have nothing to say' after the Liverpool loss (?)
I do not think that.
We haven't got a "shit record". Our talents from the previous batch just couldn't make the step up to the level we needed them to. And then we went through the post-SAF transition which was always going to be hard for them to come through. All of which is natural, really. Every batch of young players isn't going to work out as expected for one reason or another, but it wont cause the club's reliance on youth to change. Did we give them a chance? Of course we did. The likes of Welbeck, Cleverley and Evans got plenty of chances. Not sure why you'd question that unless you're doing it for the sake of questioning it.

And now we're continuing to do so under LVG with the current crop. Whether they've been thrown innto the deep end is irrelevant. He made a decision to trim the squad so that he could keep up the tradition which further proves the club's intention as I've been stating. Even under Moyes, the worst year we've had in ages, we managed to turn Januzaj into an important first team player and announce himself on the stage.

And on top of that, we couple that with buying young players with big potential, as we've done recently with Shaw, Martial and Memphis, as we did 7 years back with Anderson and Nani, as we did 12 odd years back with Rooney and Ronaldo.

The overarching point is that Manchester United, like Barcelona, give young players and youth academy products chances. Mourinho is the exact opposite of that, and not fit to carry those traditions forward.

I'm all for playing styles and organisational structures evolving but I, for one, would like to see this tradition continued. And to me it seems, so would the club.

Maybe this is irrelevant for you and hence you want Mourinho here.


Well, considering you're comparing him to a guy who pokes opposing staff members in the eye, calls his rival managers a "specialist in failure", treats his medical staff like crap and tells another manager to lose weight, I think LVG has been an angel in comparison for us. There's no way you can dislike LVG for his behavior (for us) and hail the worst behaving top-level manager about. You might prefer Mourinho's personality, that's your call, but it's a different point.


There are plenty of managers who might fulfill that criteria. You know, you can disagree with my criterea without going "noone on earth meets it!". His teams do play dull football, he does ignore youth and he can be a toxic influence. Those aren't things you care about and that's fine. But let's not pretend that just because Mourinho fails on those counts, everyone else does too. He's someone who you look for instant trophies IMO, with whom you have to make some concessions in certain areas, and hope it all works out. I don't want the club to make those concessions and I'm not all that sure he'd be a success either. Hence, a big fat no to Mourinho.
Who are all these managers then? I genuinely can't think of any other than Pep who are at the top level and possibly attainable. Ancelotti maybe but even he has his flaws.

I'm not comparing LvG to Mourinho, I'm saying I dislike LvG for all the crap he's spewed. Has Mourinho been a total tosser this year too? Of course. Do I prefer Mourinho because he actually has achieved a lot in the modern game unlike LvG? Absolutely.
 
the bolded sentence in that post suits mourinho much more than it does to van Gaal or anyone else
It really doesn't. LvG comes across as a spoofer. Mourinho comes across as a dickhead who blames everyone but himself when things go wrong, but clearly not a spoofer given what he's won in the last decade.
 
Who are all these managers then? I genuinely can't think of any other than Pep who are at the top level and possibly attainable. Ancelotti maybe but even he has his flaws.
Every manager has his flaws. Ancelotti's flaws suit what I want at this club much more than Jose's, for example. Pep is by far the best candidate and we have to do everything we can to get him IMO. But leaving those two aside, I think people get caught up with the "top manager" thing. Of course every club would like one of the aforementioned two. But new managers will eventually enter the top manager bracket (and others possibly falling out) and we have to be quick to identify the ones with those qualities, if we aren't getting someone who is already a managerial-household name. For example, if Pochettino gets Spurs into the top 4 this season, he can be considered, as most definitely should someone like Simeone who is doing unbelievable things at Atletico and is already one of the best in the business.

I'm not comparing LvG to Mourinho, I'm saying I dislike LvG for all the crap he's spewed. Has Mourinho been a total tosser this year too? Of course. Do I prefer Mourinho because he actually has achieved a lot in the modern game unlike LvG? Absolutely.
When you were talking about dislike for LVG, I thought it was related solely to negative personality/antics/cuntishness. Mourinho is the king of that area and LVG isn't even close ATM based on his time with us.
 
Every manager has his flaws. Ancelotti's flaws suit what I want at this club much more than Jose's, for example. Pep is by far the best candidate and we have to do everything we can to get him IMO. But leaving those two aside, I think people get caught up with the "top manager" thing. Of course every club would like one of the aforementioned two. But new managers will eventually enter the top manager bracket (and others possibly falling out) and we have to be quick to identify the ones with those qualities, if we aren't getting someone who is already a managerial-household name. For example, if Pochettino gets Spurs into the top 4 this season, he can be considered, as most definitely should someone like Simeone who is doing unbelievable things at Atletico and is already one of the best in the business.


When you were talking about dislike for LVG, I thought it was related solely to negative personality/antics/cuntishness. Mourinho is the king of that area and LVG isn't even close ATM based on his time with us.
Poch? Yes, I could go along with that, but Simeone? Not sure he'd bring the attractive football the fans are so desperate for.
 
I get the feeling that Costa is wanting out of the league, and there's no chance Liverpool would be able to buy him off Chelsea.

Realistically where could he go? PSG with Ibra about to finish his contract?
Maybe back to Atletico, Simeone seems to be able to control him a lot better than Mourinho
 
It really doesn't. LvG comes across as a spoofer. Mourinho comes across as a dickhead who blames everyone but himself when things go wrong, but clearly not a spoofer given what he's won in the last decade.

Van gaal took a very average team into the semifinals of a World Cup (only to lose to Argentina on penalties). The team was expected not to even get past group stages according to their own national media. Also got us to 4th place which was our objective at the start of the season. Mourinho has achieved more failure than van gaal in the last 5 years
 
To an extent, however I think it is evident that the players are not doing their best for Jose.

This is a title winning team, which Jose has built. For them to collapse in the way they have can't just be the managers fault.

As a result, I think it's understandable for him to publicly criticise individual players who he thinks are not performing.

It could, and probably will, cost him his job after all.

You could always throw them under the bus to your manager, that's why players end up sold sometimes, but doing it publicly is nothing but shielding yourself from any blame.
 
Van gaal took a very average team into the semifinals of a World Cup (only to lose to Argentina on penalties). The team was expected not to even get past group stages according to their own national media. Also got us to 4th place which was our objective at the start of the season. Mourinho has achieved more failure than van gaal in the last 5 years
4th place wasn't our objective- it was the bare minimum requirement.
 
Courtesy of The Shed End again:

#Chelsea have been talking to Jose Mourinho about possible transfer targets in January as well as next summer. [Standard]

#Chelsea have been reluctant to get rid of Mourinho as he only signed a four-year contract in August and felt he deserved time. [Standard]
 
Courtesy of The Shed End again:

They're knakered this season anyway so might as well stick with him, and allow him to move on all the players that have let him down, if he could be persuaded to try some of the youth in the prem games then they might just get something positive out of the season.

Paying him £40 million to then potentially hire an inferior manager seems stupid.
 
theyd be silly to get rid, they wont get anyone better

let him rip them apart, rebuild and prove his mettle. He hasn't been through this type of thing before so he needs to work through it
 
Any other coach would be justifiably sacked going from title holders to relegation zone halfway through the season. The excuses for Mou are laughable - massive budget, resources, talent depth and experience somehow ignored

His scorched earth approach laid bare as it always does
 
If in either of the next games he drops points and then we beat them he will be gone imo. Loving watching this unravel God only knows what Wenger is thinking. Can't wait till he sticks the knife in!
 
If in either of the next games he drops points and then we beat them he will be gone imo. Loving watching this unravel God only knows what Wenger is thinking. Can't wait till he sticks the knife in!

Wenger is probably hoping he lasts long enough to get a chance to finally get a win against him.
 
Our objective was to get top 4 and to get back in CL.
Again, that was the minimum requirement. Had LVG finished 5th he would've been sacked just as Moyes was, especially after spending all that money.
 
It's quite fun how he just doesn't know how to lose. Not just in a not liking losing sense as you would expect, but in a kind of circling down in a self-propelled descent into major hellfired shitness after losing a couple of games, pointing fingers all over the place, becoming progressively more insane, and bringing on an inevitable moment of full implosion when he takes off his Mourinho mask and shows himself to be Avram Grant all along.

Beautiful to watch.
 
Well whatever this means i guess could hold some information? My london cabbie mate just picked up JT to take him to Stamford Bridge, which is abit odd at this time.
 
this is one of the more shocking downfall as ive ever seen in football...and he has no other players he can turn to since he got rid of them: Salah, Cuadradro, Lukaku, De Bryune, Schurle and so on...
 
this is one of the more shocking downfall as ive ever seen in football...and he has no other players he can turn to since he got rid of them: Salah, Cuadradro, Lukaku, De Bryune, Schurle and so on...
That is what happens when you have a shit bench players like Ramires, Mikel and Falcao. Even the likes of Cahill and Remy are not fit for being the first choice off the bench.

The club missed the trick by not getting in 2-3 fresh faces for the first 11 (or atleast those who were fighting for it) this season.
 
I just wish Chelsea keep him for a while, I have read for months on redcafe that he will sort this out even though he has shown no actual sign of doing it. They had 8 points after the first 8 games and he was going to turn it around but they managed 7 points from the last 8 games. There is no way they can do worse currently under a new manager so I hope Chelsea are in no hurry.
 
It's amazing that he's still manager. He deserves the sack, and has lost that dressing room.

Give him money and allow him to tear it up everyone keeps saying. But the scary thing for Chelsea is that the players he's fallen out with arent some over the hill 30 somethings, but very good players that could improve most teams. Hazard was/is one of the top 10 players in the world, Matic was the best midfielders in the league , Fabregas is still quite a good player and Costa has proven at Atletico and Chelsea that he's a top class CF. Imagine trying to replace that all in one go. Also consider that since his return, Mourinho has signed a lot of duds as replacements for very good players. Mata, De Bruyne, Lukaku and they've been replaced by players such as Salah, Cuadrado and Falcao.

He's done this before too. At Real Madrid he started similar fallouts. Madrid got rid of Jorge Valdano to please him. He then fell out with Ronaldo, Ramos and Pepe among others. Imagine if he had been allowed to tear it up there. Its a terrible idea, that Chelsea would pay for dearly.

Take out the romance and fire him.
 
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