If it was the Mou of Chelsea 04-07 and Inter 08-10, I'd take him in a heartbeat.
That manager is dead. He's lost his touch and his sanity with it.
If it was ever going to happen it would have happened when Ferguson retired.
He's been on a downward trajectory since the Inter job, but I think he can pull it back. But not at Chelsea. That situation is toxic, and he'd be sensible to take time out and just recuperate and take an unfancied side and build up his reputation again.
I'm a big critic with the style of football we're playing under Van Gaal. It would be just as bad if not worse under Mourinho.
I know he won the title last year but I don't know, he really hasn't seemed the same since his time at Real Madrid. I think that really knocked his confidence.
I know he won the title last year but I don't know, he really hasn't seemed the same since his time at Real Madrid. I think that really knocked his confidence.
Great manager, and can tactically better the very best in the game with an amazing head to head record against some of the finest managers ever seen. I would have loved him as United manager in the past, but from what I have seen and what this club is , his behavior is just too much. So no thanks. They are managers just as good without the excess baggage.
Much as I hate him, think it's a shame that Chelsea didn't win the CL. They were nigh on impossible to beat. As near perfect a squad as you'd ever get. At Inter he managed to get a final hurrah out of an ageing team whose big spending days were nearing their end. Still, that Chelsea was his managerial peak. I don't think he'll ever match it.
And no, I think the toxicity comes from him. Unless he changes himself I don't see him pulling off another big success like Inter or his first stint at Chelsea.
think that rejection by us really derailed him. Still I believe he will come back strong.
Same.
I feel largely the same way.
I think part of the problem with now is that his aura of invincibility has diminished greatly with the way he left Real and his current tenure at Chelsea, and players or staff are no longer willing to completely give themselves over to his methods. Another part is that there might be something to the 'third season syndrome' buzzword we keep hearing. There were even signs of this years ago, where apparently he left Inter's playing squad and staff especially in a bad state and a lot of his final months at Real were dominated by politics and José getting 'enemies' in the club's hierarchy marginalised or fired.
Voted yes, but I am not sure now. If it was 1, 2 or 3 years ago, he would have been my first choice.
Really wanted him to take over from Sir Alex but not anymore. The circus isn't worth it,his latest stint at Chelsea has been absolutely ridiculous.
ffs no, who wants a relegation fight, no youngsters and negative tactics
Cons:
His last 3 squads have imploded after 2 seasons.
Doesn't care about youth.
Plays shit football.
Plays shit football to a degree that his defensive tactics become detrimental to the team's success (2-0 up against Bayern with Madrid, then retreating and giving the game away; parking the bus against 10 men PSG; up a goal against Liverpool, immediately retreating and giving the game away ...).
Falls out with his star players (Ronaldo, seemingly Hazard).
Sir Bobby thinks he is a cnut.
Embarrassing himself in the press time and time again ("agenda against Chelsea", "Unicef", insecurities towards Wenger ...).
Some more things I might have forgotten.
Pros:
Likely to deliver a league title in his 2 seasons of success.
His last 3 squads have imploded after 2 seasons.
Doesn't care about youth.
Plays shit football.
Plays shit football to a degree that his defensive tactics become detrimental to the team's success (2-0 up against Bayern with Madrid, then retreating and giving the game away; parking the bus against 10 men PSG; up a goal against Liverpool, immediately retreating and giving the game away ...).
Falls out with his star players (Ronaldo, seemingly Hazard).
Sir Bobby thinks he is a cnut.
Embarrassing himself in the press time and time again ("agenda against Chelsea", "Unicef", insecurities towards Wenger ...).
Some more things I might have forgotten.
Pros:
Likely to deliver a league title in his 2 seasons of success.
Yes I'd take him. Was hoping he would've been SAF's successor.
Yes. If we ever decide to appoint Giggs and look like burning ourselves to the ground, he'd probably be our best bet of recovering the situation.
On a more serious note, albeit my scenario isn't that farfetched, I wanted him to replace Ferguson and still believe he was the best man for the job at the time.
That said, his struggles at Chelsea this season have surprised me, his behaviour has been increasingly unstable and given what Van Gaal has done so far, I think I'd like a different manager to come in and build on that good work going forward.
On a more serious note, albeit my scenario isn't that farfetched, I wanted him to replace Ferguson and still believe he was the best man for the job at the time.
That said, his struggles at Chelsea this season have surprised me, his behaviour has been increasingly unstable and given what Van Gaal has done so far, I think I'd like a different manager to come in and build on that good work going forward.
There is no case to be made for him taking the job.
The main reason I don't want him here is his negative defensive football. I thought during his spell with Real Madrid that he had embraced more of an attacking style of football but he proved the opposite when he came back to England.
So for me...
pros
proven winner
tactically one of the best
we'd be much closer to the UCL title
cons
him (his personality)
not long term enough
will leave a mess when he leaves
not fussed about his footballing style, even SAF made us play boring football when we were winning a ton, near the end...
pros
proven winner
tactically one of the best
we'd be much closer to the UCL title
cons
him (his personality)
not long term enough
will leave a mess when he leaves
not fussed about his footballing style, even SAF made us play boring football when we were winning a ton, near the end...
That Inter team were very easy on the eye. Counter attacking at its finest, with players with big egos willing to subside for the team (Eto'o), players playing beyond their talent. That was a great team, and I think they are somewhat underrated here. For me that was his managerial peak.
I agree - the toxicity comes from him, but he can easily recover his reputation. He just needs to stay out of the limelight for a time. And take a smaller club to glory to restore his rep. Having said that, I think he'll end up at PSG and just monopolise the league there.
He was the perfect person to take over from Alex Ferguson. He was probably the only person with the confidence to not let it affect them. A far as the future goes it would depend on how successful we are.
I don't think his football has generally been as dull as our current showings. He's been more successful with it too.
No, but I like him a lot.
If the foundations are correctly laid down for him, yep.
Voted no, because he's a great manager and I don't want you to have one of those again.
If a year down the line, we have gone 4 years without a league title and Guardiola isn't available there isn't a single better option out there than him to come in and stop the rut. Guaranteed winner.
Leaving aside the plus and minuses of his actual management, his behaviour will never change - as soon as things go wrong, he'd be desperately trying to distract everyone from the fact that he's failing. Besides, I wouldn't relish the prospect of his inevitable, craven attempt to sideline Sir Bobby.
Ever? As in under any circumstances? Yes, if there were no better alternatives available.
A couple of years ago yes I'd have loved him but now....not a top priority but I wouldn't rule him out should he become available.
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Along with yes/no there should be undecided option in the poll too I'd have voted for that.
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Along with yes/no there should be undecided option in the poll too I'd have voted for that.
Ask me the same question as recently as 3 or 4 months ago & I would have said yes. After his antics this season, no way Jose!
Wouldn't be surprised if he ended up at City sometime in the near future
It's more the case the standard he set was never really that sustainable.
Even in the season we beat him out to the league title, he won a cup double of league cup & fa cup. In his first 3 years in English football he won, 2 league cups, 2 league titles and an FA Cup. Pretty insane.
He's averaging a trophy per year in his 2 full seasons at Chelsea now with a league title and league cup.
Yeah I would like to see this.
Yeah this. I have been a Mourinho fan and rate him very very highly but this season's Mourinho is not someone I want near United. I have voted yes, in the hope and on assumption that he will get better with this year's experience and not grow further insane.
Absolute nonsense. You have a skewed perspective due to the fact Van Gaal is our current manager, so you're more critical. If Mourinho were our manager, you would not have the same opinion. The grass is certainly not greener on the other side, in this case.
Not really, no. I didn't want Moyes particularly but he was less predictable to me. With Mourinho, you knew exactly what we were getting and I didn't like it. With Moyes, it was more like "well I am not sure about this but I might be surprised". In my previous post, I don't mention anything about his baggage or personality. I am not even getting into that with Mourinho, I am not even getting into his perceived non-entertaining brand of football. My main gripe with Mourinho as I pointed out is that his teams do not play with the authority that I think big teams should display. If you are as rich and big as we are, it is frankly embarrassing to play reactive football that aims to stop the opponent instead of imposing yourself and your style on them. I had massive respect for Mourinho at Porto and early Chelsea just as I do with Simeone at Atlético Madrid but that is because they were/are at clubs that were not as rich or big to play with the ego and arrogance I am talking about. If you are one of those clubs, winning is enough. If you are the self proclaimed biggest club in the world, you really have to go out and outplay the best teams and not counter their superiority.You wanted Moyes though
Tbh he's not my first choice now or then. I always prefer Ancelotti first and foremost, but all I'm saying is we shouldn't let emotion cloud our judgment. Jose Mourinho is a winner. We have an idea of the baggages that come with him, it's a matter of costs v. Benefits.
Yes, in a fecking heartbeat. I'd rather have Pep, but who would turn down Mourinho? He's had a bad season, but he's allowed one... isn't he? Still a top class manager and if Pep's not available I can't see who you'd rather have. He might be a little outspoken, but who really cares that much? Everything that's been said about him was said countless times about Fergie, and he clearly has some sort of desire to work here. If we needed a manager and he was the best available (only Pep is better if we're looking at it logically) then we need to snap him up - he's United material, dead on.
Think I mistook you for another poster named Theon. Remember him aggressively pushing for Moyes in here back then.
Agree with your points, but still I find it too idealistic. We tried under Fergie to impose ourselves in Europe, but in both our wins and every of our finals we got outplayed, or at best is the equal in a hard fought match (08). I don't see people being unhappy about the wins.
Great teams like Real with Di Stefano, Bayern in the 70s, Milan 90s and Barca late 00s come only once in a generation. We should strive to get to that level but it shouldn't impede our rationality when it comes to making the best decision for the club's wellbeing.
But it doesn't mean that you have to act like an underdog every time you face a good team, that's the one thing that really bothers me about Mourinho, the rest of the time his teams play a nice a brand of football.
I thought his first team at Chelsea with Duff and Robben on the wings were brilliant so if SAF had called it a day then I would have loved it if he took over. Nowadays, good God no and I will never want him to manage us. He used to be a bit of fun, now he´s just an arrogant twat. Dislikes LFC though and thats a big plus