«Moving the goalposts» has become one of the most overused phrases at the Caf lately
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«Moving the goalposts» has become one of the most overused phrases at the Caf lately
«Moving the goalposts» has become one of the most overused phrases at the Caf lately
Funnily enough, he's done just that to suit his agenda, which he claimed others were
Simple, but a good read. He certainly made much more positives than negatives so far. Only thing I don't want to see is him imploding along the way. If we hit a bad run of form, put your head down and work on it. Don't make a show and start a war with everyone. As long it's like that, he will pretty much have my support.
Some were claiming that we're favorites, some told early we're not and probably won't win it. Or you made calculations by which most of the posters wrote we're favorites for the league?
What possible Ace would Ed have up his sleeve?
He and his bosses are trying to save money. While even Everton are spending big money on the likes of Sigurdson, we were unwilling to pay the same for Perisic, even though he'd have given us a lot of options.
At present, the only attacking sub we can make is Martial (on for Rashford) and Lingard (on for Miki). The only sub which makes sense is Martial, otherwise we have no attacking alternatives. Jose was absolutely desperate for Perisic for exactly this reason and IMO, the owners are to blame.
The fact of the matter is that we are a business that must deliver value for shareholders and for the owners, unfortunately. This is not the case for PSG and for City. Therefore, they have a big advantage over us. This is the unfortunate new reality that even clubs like Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern Munich face.
So, you think that Jose willingly said, "No...I do not want any more players. I refuse to accept Perisic in my team, even though we need him?"
Or is it more likely that the board said that we only have £30M left to spend in our transfer kitty, so Perisic will either be bought for that and if Inter want more, then, "sorry Jose, you won't get him".
To remind you, we offered in the region of £30M for Perisic. Inter wanted more. We did not even bother increasing our bid.
It doesn't take a genius to work out what happened in the Summer.
Haven't seen this posted elsewhere, but it's absolute nonsense. De Bruyne, Lukaku and Salah are the 3 best players in the league? De Bruyne certainly, but the other two aren't the best on their respective teams.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2017/nov/12/jose-mourinho-de-bruyne-lukaku-salah-chelsea
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2017/nov/12/jose-mourinho-de-bruyne-lukaku-salah-chelsea
How can anyone seriously say Jose hasn’t been backed when he’s spent around 300m since he’s been here? There’s another thread in which it has been well debated as to what the expectations should be, but come on
De bruyne was never gonna get in the Chelsea team over lampard or balls like when he was there not lukaku over drogba nor mo salah over hazard or willian.
This is a stupid article typical fecking nonsense from the media lazy journalism
The reason they all got better is because they left the team and played forst team football at a reasonable (not top) level and got experience / better.
Over all the players I compared these 3 to I would still take peak lampard/ballack, drogba and hazard/William over the other 3.
Or the board could have said the money is available but we are not paying 50m for perisic, pick someone else.
Heard of rotation? All three of those could be rotation options at their clubs and KDB is better than lampard/ballack.
Mourinho clearly does have a problem with attacking players, particularly younger ones who need coaching, it's not a strength of his in the way that improving defenders is and I think it's become increasingly clear during his time here that he doesn't really have much of an attacking plan other than to spend lots of money and then expect the individuals to work it out for themselves. That is fine if you have the largest budget by a significant distance and can buy the best attacking players but is an issue when there's any responsibility to coach and develop attacking players.
Ballack wasn't even at Chelsea when De Bruyne was there, Mourinho was playing Mikel, Ramires or Luiz in midfield alongside a past-it Lampard who was let go on a free at the end of the season whilst Lukaku was let go because Mourinho had the more experienced Eto'o, Ba and Torres ahead of him. It is clearly a concern that City's outstanding player this season, Liverpool's outstanding player this season (also, why did he buy Salah then if he was never going to get in the team?) and the player we spent £90m to be our main striker were all dismissed by him in favour of more experienced and prosaic but not as talented players.
How can anyone seriously say Jose hasn’t been backed when he’s spent around 300m since he’s been here? There’s another thread in which it has been well debated as to what the expectations should be, but come on
Is there anyone saying he hasn't been backed though? Of course he has, some people just think the squad is still a work in progress regardless of the money spent. There are still major flaws in our squad.
Not to add the majority of that 300m was spent on 2 players, one of which is influential to us and hasn't been available for most of this season so far. It's just unfortunate we had to sign players in positions where top players usually cost an arm and a leg. Signing an established striker in today's game is ridiculous.
Whether or not you think he could have spent the money better is a completely different argument mind. One I'd agree with. He's spent well, but he could have spent better. Although the idea behind signing Lindelof was obvious, that money could have been better spent on a fullback imo. It would have helped to have a defender capable of playing out from the back, but our defence is very good under Jose so a fullback who could get forward would have helped more.
That's the biggest pile of shit I've ever had the misfortune of reading. International week for you. Nothing to report so make stuff up.
Mourinho's job was to make Chelsea win trophies not implement their youth players. There isn't a single Chelsea manager before or after his two stints that have implemented youth players in the squad. That is down to the club philosophy and the trigger happy board who won't allow a room for failure. These players have become top quality 5 years after Jose sold them, they are bound to get better in this space of time.
I didn't get anything from that Delaney article. Just some journalist thought he should enlighten us with his thoughts about Mourinho because he has nothing else to write about.
He bought Salah (not ignoring that he also brought Cuadrado and Schurrle and then dismissed them again quickly) whilst Lukaku was coming off the back of a season where he had scored 17 Premier League goals and De Bruyne had been young player of the year in the Bundesliga and cost City £55m to sign 18 months after Mourinho sold him. I'm not exactly demanding him to blood and nurture 16/17 year olds in to the team, it's to have a plan and an ability to coach and develop attackers, particularly younger ones who need more guidance. He's never shown that, he's not showing it at United and the way that we attack suggests there's very little work going into that facet of the game (which backs up comments from former players and the occasional story that emerges from the club about his work).
That being said, I would acknowledge that his rate of success with defenders is excellent, his recruitment with United has generally been good and he has clearly improved the team, in addition to bringing some success back by winning 2 admittedly minor trophies. The concern is that if he doesn't improve the likes of Martial, Rashford and Mkhitaryan then we won't have major success before he inevitably falls out with everyone and leaves and we'll be left with a squad that doesn't have the characteristics that most of the top young and progressive managers in Europe would want.
Iirc at the end of both summer transfer windows Mourinho has come out and said that he's very happy with the squad he's got and that it's exciting because hr never had a squad that big. And that's Mourinho who's known for never holding back so there's absolutely no reason to doubt his statements.
Also how do you know that we have offered only 30 million for Perišić, no official statements were released regarding the fee we have offered and fee's in the papers ranged from 30 million to 50 million, to them asking for 60 million and Martial on loan.
Also probably the board didn't see the payoff in throwing 50 million on a player that is 29 and playing in the position where we have 2 amazingly talented young players that aren't getting enough game time as it is, and it would probably mean us having to sell one of them which would probably be bad for is in the long run.
Besides Inter has a good team, rich owners and good young squad, they're ambitious and have enough money not to have to sell their best players.
Facts tell that Mourinho was backed by the board, his previous signings done with UTD prove that.
Instead of going after another LW and CB (positions we were strong in) he should had been looking for a RW and LB the 2 positions we're bleeding from.
Our problems are more complex and signing Perišić wouldn't fix Mourinho's tendency to play ultra defensive hoofball style of football.
The point seemed crystal clear, Mou doesn't develop players/talent
SAF let Pogba and Pique go too.
And it's quite telling none of De Bruyne, Lukaku or Salah moved to big clubs after leaving Chelsea. They all took a while before they were ready for the top level.
And it's quite telling none of De Bruyne, Lukaku or Salah moved to big clubs after leaving Chelsea. They all took a while before they were ready for the top level.
Yeah but SAF didn't let them go because he didn't believe in them. Pogba left due to drama with his agent whilst Pique wanted to go back to Barcelona.
It is a wonder how so many United fans dont get the Pogba-story at all. It wasnt like SAF thought Pogba was average and then accepted the 1st bid Juventus made, there were a lot of things going on with injuries, the agent, playing time, contracts and Pogba decided to leave. That Pogba was regularly in the squad at 18 was a showing of how highly Saf rated him.
Is there a good explanation why Jose tends to hit the self-destruct button in his 3rd year at a club? Is it related to how he achieves success in the 2nd season - like running the team in the ground or his tactics being mentally exhausting?
He's aware that he isn't bulding for the long term and this is what makes him wary of relying on youngsters to blossom and bring success.
He's aware that he isn't bulding for the long term and this is what makes him wary of relying on youngsters to blossom and bring success.
There's a good chance neither would have left if SAF was giving them first team football.
People rewriting history to suit their agendas again, I see. SAF was playing fullbacks in midfield over Pogba. He left because he wasn’t playing, he had said as much himself many times.
Pogba was 18 and just came back from a long term injury after which he wasnt in his best form, yet Pogba was still regularly in the squad showing that Saf did see the potential in him. He wanted to play more, have Mino Raiola have his way and decides to leave Juventus. Im glad Saf didnt comform to those wishes as the same things would happen to the following good youthplayers.
What criteria are people using when they state....mourinho has clearly improved the team ? I'm guessing it must be the 2 cups? For me the jury is out, its not clear, its debateable.
What would the agenda be? I dont think you know the history so how do you know people are rewriting it?
Yes, by having him in the squad but opting to play Rafael in midfield is a great show of fait from the manager. Lukaku and KDB were young when Mourinho let them go too. They were in and around the team as well, even though they didn't play, must of been a great show of faith from old Jose.
Get a grip, it's the exact same scenario, probably even worse in SAF's case as his midfielders were all fecking injured and he went with makeshift midfielders instead of giving Pogba a go. He said himself that that was when he decided he needed to move.
Because all of the Chelsea managers before and after both of Mourinho's tenures have been well known for nurturing young players and promoting them to the first team ahead of the big signings.
Chelsea is a club whose manager's remit is specifically for the short term: win the Premier League and Champions League; failure to deliver either will probably result in your contract being terminated.
Same deal with Real.
Finally, Mourinho is not Louis van Gaal: he isn't comfortable to manage a losing team and hide behind the number of academy players to whom he has given their debuts.
He is a winner.
Winning requires fielding the players that can most accurately implement the tactics that you, as a manager, have chosen in an effort to win a match.
Mourinho trusts men, not boys.
Luckily I know that wasnt THE reason that Pogba left but part of it, he really decided to leave when Scholes came back out of retirement fwiw.
Saf was never reluctant to give a youth player or a young player a chance, but Pogba was hardly earning it at that time. Saf didnt have him as ready enough at that time and people may disagree with that, but he did see the talent Pogba had and has never hided that. Due to more circumstances besides playing time, Pogba made the best decision for him as an individual and Saf made a statement for United as a collective too.
Regarding Mourinho I honestly dont know as much about the Kdb and Lukaku saga so no Im not holding it as some agenda against Mou.
I agree with SAF's decision to let him leave. Only point I'm making is these things can happen and giving playing time to players can be complicated. Saying De Bruyne or Salah are great now so Jose was wrong to let them go over simplifies things.
I've never said anything about SAF or his ideals with youth, it's obvious he's always been big on bringing through youth. Nor am I taking away anything from the man, he's the best manager of all time imo for what he's been able to achieve and how he's been able to adapt.
That being said, he's made mistakes just like any other human and I think Pogba was one of them. He wasn't ready maybe, but considering he almost instantly hit it off at Juve and considering the alternative to him were fullbacks, it's easy to see why he was frustrated. Scholes coming back is a fair shout, but IIRC we had no midfielders available for that game. Being overlooked for fullbacks must have been a real kick in the teeth for him.
A player of his obvious talents was getting hardly any game time. Regardless of the reasoning, whether that be SAF disliking his agent or whatever, it was handled poorly imo.
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Lukaku and De Bruyne were 21 and 23 respectively when sold weren't they? The former having proven himself to some extent in the Premier League. Pogba was 18? In terms of trusting a player to start that age gap is very significant. So the situations weren't exactly the same.
Fact of the matter is - in both cases the players weren't deemed ready or what was needed for their respective teams at the time. The age has little to do with it. Especially when considering a manager like SAF who never shied away from playing youth, regardless of age, if he saw fit.
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