That's the point , you can't leave everything on the manager and need someone from footballing background to give the board football input before buying and selling and making decisions. Specially not until you have achived stability in the management.
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That's the point , you can't leave everything on the manager and need someone from footballing background to give the board football input before buying and selling and making decisions. Specially not until you have achived stability in the management.
He wanted Muller, but he dint come. On rvp and chicha yes he made bad decisions.
Not only them but also on Rafael welbeck and zaha the board sold too quickly.
True, it was a big mistake.
Giving stupid wages to average players has really helped us move players on.
You don't think it's on the manager to decide if a player is suited to playing on the wing? We need another guy to do that?
Well who's managing the manager?
Welbeck was an excellent decision. And the timing was perfect. 16M was quite less when selling an English player to direct rival though
He would have done well under mourinho i feel.
Nah, i am talking about the squad planning and management when you are in a managerial transition period. The balance is missing.
Yeah I get your overall point about a director of football type person.
But you're specifically blaming the board for managers spending big money on players and incorrectly putting them on the wing. You've classed that as the board not addressing the wing positions. How can that be anybody's fault but the managers? How can a manager on millions need somebody else to tell him Mata isn't really a right winger. Me and you know that.
That's not even considering the actual wingers we've spent a fortune on who were duds. The board have done everything they can since Fergie left.
He is a horrible finisher and now we know he has a recurring injury problem. I don't see how or why he would have done any better. He was with first team from 19 to 23 age. He hardly improved. Kept falling in the box time and again and did not know when to shoot and when to pass. Such a frustrating player.
Because you are letting 3 different managers with their different philosophies and veiws on players mix and match and let the squad go messy and unbalanced because of the boards lack of judgement in transfer windows and fooballing philosophies and disastrous policy's as a result where opportunities are missed and also wrong decisions are made.
Mata isnt a right winger but you are giving the manager no options than mata who could cut inside from the right in the final third in a philosophy where you are playing posesion based football in the opponents half maximum of the time. And then you let a epl proven top potential like sadio mane join another fierce rival with great tactical nous who was the input of a manager who had worked with the squad for 2 years to override his judgement and take the new managers word for bringing in a player from dortmund who has had one or two good season without epl exp and his best position is not known.
Then there is KDB situation where a potential like that is going unchallenged to direct rival. We'd never now if moyes caliming toni kroos as true and lvg override that one as well.
Where is the sense in giving every power to the manager until the right managerial stability is achived? Not that there is a need for all time DOF but a footballing man in the transfer committee is missing who'd know the situation of the club and the market when you change managers and playing philosophies.
Actual wingers who were bought were duds is a result of inconsistencies from youth players which is pretty much expected. Then this year comes the perisic saga where there were no plan b and plan c.
The board has to realize that sometimes its better to spend the cash all in one window and get that player in the same window until you have the required balance and all the tools for the manager to get the best out of them.
He would have brought the work rate on the left while rashford or martial could play on as centre forwards. Lingard's finishing is shit too but he is being used as a squad player. Welbeck had a better potential than him and was actually a heading threat in the box. He was a jose type counter attacking player and his workrate could have been crucial.
Domestically United under-achieved, but they weren't going to win the league last year. So what's the next best thing? CL qualification finishing 2 to 4 or winning the Europa League. That's the fact. Another fact is that they were a top six team last year, they were not the best. We all can accept that.
United are currently second. Would be we happy only if United were wire to wire leaders? Compared to last year, after 11 games United were not second not even 3rd or 4th. It's tangible improvement, even after a bad patch of form the past month.
In reality, Welbeck was a Lingard level player, so maybe he'd have taken Lingrads place in the squad.
Sadly, Welbeck never had the extra couple of levels of pure talent that was hoped for when he was a young rising player.
With the likes of Carrick, Ibra etc approaching retirement and Mata, Valencia, Young, Fellaini etc reaching the end of contracts, there is some very fundamental squad strategic planning that is required.
I suspect that is what the board is alluding to, and makes perfect sense.
Most of the cafe has already deduced this, so of course, Mourinho has!
One of the core problems is a noisy minority who have unrealistic expectations given the quality of the squad. In relative terms, we went backwards in last transfer window, given Lukaku and Lindelof replaced injured Ibra and Rojo, so we only really added Matic, whereas City built considerably on their quality and number of resources.
Glazernomics starting to get to Mourinho, He has offloaded Rooney, Depay,Schneiderlin,Schweinsteiger,Januzaj etc and brought in 3 in the summer when he wanted 4, ok he has been backed but not 100 percent and he probably feels abit undermined tbh,having said that we are 2nd and have had our best start to a campaign in 5 years pretty much without Pogba,personally I hope Mourinho stays with us for a few more years yet but I have my doubts!!
The side should be built around Pogba and martial ; our two best and most technical players.
I back Jose but martial not starting is stupidity.
I back Jose but martial not starting is stupidity.
So true. I'd even concede that defensively we are there or thereabouts, but our attack is miserably midtable level...or worse, considering they scored less than Bournemouth and have been wank for 2 seasons running. Furthermore, we are hopelessly dependent on one player (Pogba) for creativity.
At the start of the season, after seeing who we signed, I predicted 5th because I had no faith we would even score 60 goals with this attack. That we are 2nd is actually a pleasant shock for me.
Would you criticise him for building it around Pogba and Rashford instead?
We finished 6th, no matter how you paint it or how you reason that's very poor. Chelsea won it last season and their manager was in the job in his first season after taking over from a really dire situation, what's the reason we couldn't win it? We don't look in a title challenge after 300 million yet fans are happy? Mind you we falling backwards after every game against decent opponent plus playing some tumescent stuff. After spending that sort of money there should be a tangible improvement, the question is whether it's enough.
Their situation was not as dire , they had a perfectly good core of players who's spine was built by mourinho and conte added his systems balance to it.
They were coming off a midtable season.
Still they have good ball players, and a strong core.
So do we
But we did that balance and good wingers on both sides .
So funny, people were saying that we had a great squad this summer, suddenly it's shote again? Its probably somewhere in between, no reason why it should be in the extremes.
That’s the equivalent of one Neymar + Lee Cattermole in 3 transfer windows.
£250m was a big deal about 18 months ago. It’s nothing these days in the crazy transfer market.
Jose hasn’t been backed at all in comparison to Pep.
many assess him like Mayweather
To say that Jose hasn’t been backed financially in comparison to Pep is ludicrous.
£250 million is still a big deal to 99% of the football clubs on this planet.
If Jose hadn’t have been so stubborn and come up with alternatives to the massively overrated Perisic we would almost certainly have signed a winger too.
The squad we currently have is more than good enough to play good quality expansive attacking football. Maybe Jose should look at his own tactics before blaming the board for not giving him an unlimited transfer budget.
City and PSG have bottomless pits of money. We don’t. We have a higher net spend than every other team in the world.
Again, the idea that Mourinho hasn’t been backed is ludicrous, and false comparisons with oil-rich clubs doesn’t change that.
Nobody is calling for Jose's head here yet. There are legitimate concerns:
It is early November, and it looks like City + 3 other clubs (one of which in United hopefully). Not a two horse race.
Jose is feeling the pressure already and starting to make some weird comments. If he goes to PSG then we all need to stfu about Pep fearing competition and thus managing only top sides. PSG are by far the best team in Ligue 1, probably the richest club in the world too.
We do not look like a side that will win EPL or CL. With the amount spent, we should be challenging for the title imo.
Again, concerns are well grounded and people have each and every right to express them. If we win a major trophy by the end of this season, I will gladly admit I was wrong, and drink a drink to Jose.
P.S. Also, some of those who are asking to get behind the manager, need to realize that Jose could not care less about the caf. This place is for sharing opinions, not a court. United supporters spend hell lot of money on tickets, merchandise, tv subscriptions, so voicing a pessimistic opinion about Jose does not make one a plastic fan.
It is early November, and it looks like City + 3 other clubs (one of which in United hopefully). Not a two horse race.
Jose is feeling the pressure already and starting to make some weird comments. If he goes to PSG then we all need to stfu about Pep fearing competition and thus managing only top sides. PSG are by far the best team in Ligue 1, probably the richest club in the world too.
We do not look like a side that will win EPL or CL. With the amount spent, we should be challenging for the title imo.
Again, concerns are well grounded and people have each and every right to express them. If we win a major trophy by the end of this season, I will gladly admit I was wrong, and drink a drink to Jose.
P.S. Also, some of those who are asking to get behind the manager, need to realize that Jose could not care less about the caf. This place is for sharing opinions, not a court. United supporters spend hell lot of money on tickets, merchandise, tv subscriptions, so voicing a pessimistic opinion about Jose does not make one a plastic fan.
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There's a lot of players I felt Jose should have started the offloading process with last season or at leat this season that he didn't. He could have shifted a few players to free funds this window but he didn't, thats on him
Whether you want to admit to yourself or not, he’s been hugely underwhelming so far. Two trophies yes, but not elite competitions. We won’t be singing about our Europa League win in 10 years.
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same thing happend last season......
start of the season we where capable of winning the title few months in well of course its natural we arn't going to get in the top 4.....
So how come the only club that is above us on the table also happens to be the only one that has outspent us? There, you have your answer......
If you have a world class manager + plenty of quality players bought with hundreds of millions of pounds, it won’t be long before that club wins a league title.
We need 2 full backs(both flanks), 1 Elite playmaker, 1 right winger. That’s a total of 4 players in the starting XI. It’s one of the reasons we are lying 8 points below the league leaders.
I hope Jose gets few additions in January and get back into the title race. As things stand, the gap might extend to 15 points by the time KO stage of the CL commenced in February.
Their point is that the club has been backing as much as they can. Which is a lot already.
You are comparing how much the other teams are spending to ours. Obviously, we are not gonna outspend them in long term. We probably can't spend on lets say a no 10 player again and again and again till jose finds a suitable one. The manager needs to make sure we get the right target as much as he can with his talent and experience and to try to get the best out of the rest of the squad that is already there.
And it is why we hired one of the best managers to make sure we are there or there about to compete with them.
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