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Not to mention his away record vs top 6 which is even worse than Mourinho, but nobody is talking about it. Poch is too cool for that.
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Not to mention his away record vs top 6 which is even worse than Mourinho, but nobody is talking about it. Poch is too cool for that.
Good post. Those famous counter attacks of Jose in his previous jobs is missing. This has been out biggest problem in games where we sir back and defend. That alone is fine, but we offer absolutely nothing forward. I think we have the right players to play that, so I really don't know what's happening.
Nice username, especially for a City fan
In the first few games that has worked. For instance Swansea game.Good post. Those famous counter attacks of Jose in his previous jobs is missing. This has been out biggest problem in games where we sir back and defend. That alone is fine, but we offer absolutely nothing forward. I think we have the right players to play that, so I really don't know what's happening.
Nice username, especially for a City fan
Simon Stone says the club board want to control costs before sanctioning more outlay on new signings. As Mourinho has spent £285m on transfer fees on 6 new signings, and wage bill has risen by 13.5% to £263.5m.
Even the smaller teams play better counter than us against the big teams. In both the Pool and Chelsea games, we should have counter attacked more. It was defend, defend, get the ball, hoof it, lose it and then defend again. Rinse and repeat. Previous Jose teams were great at this, but we still struggle to put a proper counter attack together. By his second season, I expected more.
Mickhi being out of form or generally just shit and Pogba missing doesn't help. I'm not saying those are the sole reasons but..
Heh... he can't even get his winger in a summer window but getting rid of the unprofessionals is a good way to start it anyway, I guess.
Yup. Pereira forcing his loan didn't help either and he could inject some fresh energy into squad, at some point.
Yeah, but still, I don't like the way he sets us up in the big away games. Especially if we don't even counter attack.
I will stand by him and still think he is the right manager for us. However, if he is pressuring us for a new contract, we should start looking for other managers. While he definitely has been good, he hasn't been that good enough to warrant a new contract.
I wonder if we'll recall him in Janaury. That would be a good move.
That we can agree on. No talk about a possible one year more (he has that option in his contract right?) or more before this season ends to see where we stand.
But that's the thing tho, is he playing a game to get a new contract or he genuinely wants to leave for PSG. I don't think it's either.
We don't have many young players and besides, if we wanted a new U18 coach, we would hire Jardim, but for our senior players we need a big name who won't fold under the pressure of the job.
For me, Jose is the only one right now who can get us back to winning ways and I'd like him to see his 3 years through before leaving.
And regarding Jose moving to PSG, I think it's BS. Either they are complete lies or Jose's people have put it this rumour, so that MUFC will start backing Jose in the transfer market.
Right now, Jose is having to make do with lots of deadwood and I refuse to believe that he is doing so by choice. The guy has worked with the likes of Benzema, Ronaldo, Modric, etc. Are some of you seriously thinking that Jose is totally happy working with the likes of Lingard and Darmian? Jose knows talent/ability when he sees it and right now he must be very frustrated not being able to buy the quality that he needs/wants to compete with MCFC, who btw, bought Guardiola all the players wanted and who were available. We, on the other hand were only prepared to pay £30M for Perisic, which in today's market, was not going to work.
If Jose does leave in the Summer (which I don't believe and Woodward should do everything to prevent), then my choice would be Ancelotti. We need a big name. The problem is that this guy tends to leave after 2 years (even shorter stints than Jose).
I'm not sure who everyone is. I certainly didn't see the need for another expensive centre back. I'm a sucker for youth team players though so Tuanzebe getting the promotion would have been my choice.
Same question to you then. In the summer did you feel we needed a centre back more than we did a fullback?
I'm not trying to nail Mourinho here. Mistakes happen and I'm sure he'll sort this in the summer. But there's some serious goal post shifting going on now.
Yeah, I did. Hindsight makes me look like a fool but Luke Shaw had a few encouraging cameos towards the end of last season. Thought he'd have the returning impact that Phil Jones is having for us right now. As for Valencia I thought we could stretch out one more season from him after being one of the best full backs in the league. I was open to Aurier when there were those Paris United links but would have been a bonus to signing a CB. But I’ve changed my mind, it’s clear as day we need full backs.
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This is spot on. So many heap blame on Jose, but who can make the likes of Mata, Mkhi, Lingard etc play fluid, attacking football?
I am at a loss as to why the Glazers have tightened their purse strings. When we are not in the CL, we spend boatloads on ADM, Pogba etc. When we are in the CL, we haggle over 2 mil for Perisic. Seems like a suspiciously Arsenal-like mentality, just being happy to make CL spots.
We currently have a cap on spending and it is not a good situation considering that our squad is nowhere near the top level in quality.
More like he's to poor for that. The question of winning titles is obviously far bigger at clubs like us than a club like Spurs.
Because United will like spend £200 million next summer. If United tightened the purse stringers the green and gold will come back which they don’t want.
Don't know about the stories, I just said if. I don't believe any are true anyway. Mourinho will be around till the end of the season as I'm certain we'll be in the top four race till the end.
Too poor?
It's not like he has a crap squad to work with of Kane and Alli for instance. I'm sure they will want to go all the way at some point not just great football and being 2nd and 3rd.
We have a lot of players whose contracts are running out this summer?
Maybe you should re-read the thread, to comprehend when I started posting in it and what was my point. Again, no need to go in circles. My points stand: Pogba was not even our best midfielder last season. He has not featured against a top side this season to suggest that he will improve us massively against a top side. Mourinho is yet to show that we are competitive at the very top of the food chain, because with resources and players at his disposal he needs to win either of CL and EPL during his tenure here. It is early November we are already much behind City having had a much easier schedule so far. Nobody expects us to win CL this season, and I doubt that even half of Utd fans expect us to win the EPL come end of May. Basically, the best bet would be the next season, and I doubt we will win either of the two above mentioned trophies even then. If you are that much assured that Jose will win either of EPL or CL by the end of May 2019, I am ready to bet against it. The loser of the bet leaves the CAF.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/4..._the_day&ns_source=facebook&ns_linkname=sport
Posted 3 hours ago on BBC. There could be something brewing behind the scenes.
Also explains the PSG leaks by Jose's camp. There is certainly something going on.
In a way I am glad. The counter leaks by Jose seem to indicate he realises the squad is shite and needs strengthening. Sooner or later (later meaning the summer), we will let the manager have his way. A worse scenario would be to have a manager who thinks the current squad is good enough; that would be a poor assessment of the squad.
He spent 250 mil on that squad thou....
Either way - I just read Stuart Mathieson's first column for the Scandi Supporter's Club, sadly they translated it into Norwegian but I'll translate just this part (I'm not sure I would be allowed to translate and post the whole bloody wall of text?):
Everyone puts their own interest first, even Ferguson. That's just the way it is.
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We've spent ~£300m in little over a year, £250m+ net. The idea that Jose isn't being backed is ludicrous.
He's been backed but we have failed to address wings since 5 seasons now.
We just need to get behind Jose tbh. Last thing I want is an Eva Carneiro-level disaster and things to go from somewhat of a mini crisis (bad recent results, bad performances, supposed psg interest; the fecking media circus exacerbatin it all) to full blown disaster.
I do take the piss sometimes - purely from my frustrations - about him needing world class players to paper over his lack of an attacking strategy. But it has to be said, our squad has had work ethic issues for years now (especially apparent under LVG). One of Mou's biggest selling points to me on appointment was me thinking he could fix that, whip a bunch of pussies in to shape - which tbf I think he tried to do in his own ways (rightly or wrongly calling players out etc etc). It's also not the most talented of squads. That's not to say I didn't expect more from Jose, but it's hand we've been dealt and I still feel he's the best man for the job.
Wouldn't be surprised if the psg thing was to keep the board on their toes tbh. If they don't appreciate the magnitude of the job (via lack of further investment) then why should he stay to struggle and have his reputation further tarnished in a scathing media. If he walks right now, we're 2nd in the league, top the CL group and involved in every competition.
Right about now I'd be happy just to get through this season doing ourselves proud in the CL and finishing top 3. Couldn't care for the other domestic trophies. Then begin to actually address the team deficiencies.
I do take the piss sometimes - purely from my frustrations - about him needing world class players to paper over his lack of an attacking strategy. But it has to be said, our squad has had work ethic issues for years now (especially apparent under LVG). One of Mou's biggest selling points to me on appointment was me thinking he could fix that, whip a bunch of pussies in to shape - which tbf I think he tried to do in his own ways (rightly or wrongly calling players out etc etc). It's also not the most talented of squads. That's not to say I didn't expect more from Jose, but it's hand we've been dealt and I still feel he's the best man for the job.
Wouldn't be surprised if the psg thing was to keep the board on their toes tbh. If they don't appreciate the magnitude of the job (via lack of further investment) then why should he stay to struggle and have his reputation further tarnished in a scathing media. If he walks right now, we're 2nd in the league, top the CL group and involved in every competition.
Right about now I'd be happy just to get through this season doing ourselves proud in the CL and finishing top 3. Couldn't care for the other domestic trophies. Then begin to actually address the team deficiencies.
We're not even close to that. The discontent is mainly by a loud minority on social media and forums.
Yeah, I know. Just this toxicity level atm, and Jose being Jose.
That's on the various managers not the board. I think we've bought five wide men(Mata, Depay, Di Maria, Martial, Mkhitaryan) since Fergie. That's plenty in terms of numbers. Unfortunately they'e either not been good enough, copped a bad attitude or aren't actually wide players. It's just bad management.
If the board are asking for the spending too be cooled a little(and I mean a little) I think it's fair enough. The squad is bloated and needs trimming. We're carrying players who the manager clearly doesn't trust or rate. Just sell them on.
You have six teams vying for one position, so five of those teams have to lose out. If you only had one team dominating like in France and Germany, then the mood would be different on here.
In ways we are victims of our own success for it was our dominance under Ferguson that is a huge component for the English league we see today.
If Mourinho wins either the PL or CL in his three years, it will have been a success, given now how hard it is to win the PL or CL.
In ways we are victims of our own success for it was our dominance under Ferguson that is a huge component for the English league we see today.
If Mourinho wins either the PL or CL in his three years, it will have been a success, given now how hard it is to win the PL or CL.
people keep saying we improved, we improved!!!!!!
we have spent 350 fecking million ffs. It is common sense we improve a little bit.
we have spent 350 fecking million ffs. It is common sense we improve a little bit.
That's true. If LVG had Bailly, Pogba, Zlatan and Mkhi in 2015/16, United would have competed for the title. Remember we had Rooney up front for most of the season.
No one forced him to enter season with Rooney upfront.
Only di Maria and depay we're actually wingers in that purchases and we have sold them both without replacement.
Also we have sold januzaj zaha too and brought no one in.
He bought martial as a striker or lwf, and did pretty well that season while also promoting rashford.
Managers buying players and incorrectly putting them on the wing. Agree it's happened. How is that on the board though and not the various managers?
Separate point but pretty sure Martial and Mkhi spent most of their careers on the wing.
He bough Martial as a striker then 3 games later he started putting him on the flanks because of Depay terrible form, and continued with Rooney upfront. Rooney only switched to midfield when we "accidentally" discovered Rashford.
That looks like a weird excuse for me. No one told him to sell RVP and Chica and enter season with Rooney upfront. He should have signed a top class striker if he was willing to sell both, but he wanted to give his "captain" security on his position.
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