People talk about attitude in players, well to me the attitude comes from the manager. The old Jose was beligerant, but their was a twinkle in his eye. Now he is a miserable git, serving up miserable football and making some of our brighter footballers miserable as well.If Chelsea and Arsenal make their next managerial appointments wisely, competition for CL spots could get even stiffer next season. I expect City to at least remain consistent, and Liverpool to improve further with upgrades to their midfield.
Jose has a hell of a job on his hands, tbf. He has to get the summer right for starters, especially if he intends to sell our two biggest talents.
Feel the same. Expect the dissatisfaction to increase next season if Chelsea and Arsenal start playing good football as well. Would be quite something if we started wishing we had Arsenal's manager
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Well said DT. You're absolutely right. His current attitude has me depressed.
I don't envy anyone having to work with him day in day out
He seemed to be happier at the beginning of the season. As of the past few months it has felt like there's been very little joy about the club, which kills some of my optimism for the next season.
Silly thing is his demeanour in the press conferences and on the training pitch might be night and day.Well said DT. You're absolutely right. His current attitude has me depressed.
I don't envy anyone having to work with him day in day out
Indeed. When he's not busy throwing players under the bus, absolving himself from the blame of any defeat, blaming the owners for not spending enough and Ed for not getting Perisic, he might actually radiate joy all around.
One thing I can give to Mourinho is he can’t stand being not first and anything other than that in his book is a dissatisfaction, hence him being miserable as he unable to find any joy in simply going through the motions in the league knowing you have no chance of challenging since December. However, that can really have a negative emotional spillover and implications outside of our league campaign as it happened with Sevilla.
Yeah that's part of his "winner's mentality", and I trust that he knows how to turn that dissatisfaction into motivation but at the moment it's not really showing in his team's performances. Recently that motivation only seemed to show up in his grudge matches, e.g. against Pep, Klopp, and Chelsea (and perhaps Arsenal).
It's a bit like cleaning the house. For eg: If you clean your house daily with a dust cloth and a mop, at the end of the day you feel fantastic seeing a clean house. However using a dust cloth and mop when you have an expensive vacuum cleaner to do the same task is stupid especially when vacuuming might be easy on your body. Using the cleaner will give you the same satisfaction of a clean house at the end of the day and not break your back either.
It's the same with United, we have an absolute good team who on their day can put any team to sword but it looks like they are forced to play pragmatically and now are too scared to make mistakes and ironically end up making a lot of mistakes from corners, with their passing, no gelling in the team etc. This is where Mourinho has to do his work and make the team play as a team and not expect a good skill from an individual to create an opportunity to score.
I have said this many times before. In the big games, he sets the team up defensively and expects a chance or two to come in the whole game where we have to score 100%, if that one chance is not taken, it's either a draw or a loss. See Liverpool games last season and this season for examples.Jose is happy with such tactics but it will not work for United in the long run. If we have a similar season of drab football and 2nd or 3rd again, it will be disappointing.
Liverpool have improved, City might be same, Spurs have improved, Arsenal who like United have good players will get a new manager which might kick start their season, same for Chelsea. United have improved only in the results column and that has cost us a lot with players being unhappy with his management, him being unhappy with the players. Not looking good for the long run to be honest.
It's the same with United, we have an absolute good team who on their day can put any team to sword but it looks like they are forced to play pragmatically and now are too scared to make mistakes and ironically end up making a lot of mistakes from corners, with their passing, no gelling in the team etc. This is where Mourinho has to do his work and make the team play as a team and not expect a good skill from an individual to create an opportunity to score.
I have said this many times before. In the big games, he sets the team up defensively and expects a chance or two to come in the whole game where we have to score 100%, if that one chance is not taken, it's either a draw or a loss. See Liverpool games last season and this season for examples.Jose is happy with such tactics but it will not work for United in the long run. If we have a similar season of drab football and 2nd or 3rd again, it will be disappointing.
Liverpool have improved, City might be same, Spurs have improved, Arsenal who like United have good players will get a new manager which might kick start their season, same for Chelsea. United have improved only in the results column and that has cost us a lot with players being unhappy with his management, him being unhappy with the players. Not looking good for the long run to be honest.
You don't seem to use your eyes very well.
Saying Sir Alex was much better is being snarkley
You're such a fanboi.Up there with Sir Alex? Not a chance. The only time he 'struggled' against Mourinho
was when we were in a transitional phase and Jose was playing football manager in real life. Once we completed the transition, we began our domination and there was little Mourinho could but leave soon after. Pep is a different story because his team at Barcelona, although he deserves a lot of credit for it, simply had a much better team than SAF did at United.
Sir Alex achieved astounding things in Scotland. He achieved astounding things at United turning a perennial underachieving club into one of the biggest and most dominant clubs on the planet. His man management was on a different level entirely. He knew how to develop youth time and time again. He entertained, he built smashing attacking team's that won people over. He was adored by his club rather than picking fights and losing favour.
There's no comparison. Jose is a managerial great alright but he's no Sir Alex. I'd also argue that he's won what 2 legaue titles since 2010 or something? And the league titles at Inter that he won were freebies like Pep won at Bayern. All of Sir Alex's are due to team's that were genuinely all his.
What's wrong with what he said?
I just posted a tweet. Didn't say there's anything wrong or right with it.
Fair enough, it's a tweet from the mirror and a partial quote so I thought you were having a go
Cultists man, you better think next time before you post something JM related, they are on Trump supporter level of nuts.
Maybe he should come up with something to stop City...he's getting another shitload of funds this summer.
I don't like him saying that.
Nothing should be impossible.
All our managers post SAF just lower expectations at various points.
Nothing should be impossible.
All our managers post SAF just lower expectations at various points.
It's absurd that this still happens. Much in the vein of Martial FC posters we have those who care for Mourinho more than the club..
At the risk of hurting some feelings, Mourinho is somehow overrated. He is basically a younger Ottmar Hitzfeld which makes him a great manager but weirdly enough I don't remember Hitzfeld being mentioned a lot in these type of conversations, I don't remember anyone comparing him with SAF.
Waiting for them to start burning people at the stake. Surely isn’t too far off.
Yet he slags the players publicly about their mentality
Not happy with his comments on next season. Bloody depressing thing to see first thing in the morning.
Honestly, even if we win the FA cup, I think he should be sacked. His way is for a team that doesn't mind being the underdogs, and he can create the us against them mentality which is definitely not the same way that SAF employed it against opponents. This sort of attitude is not good for huge clubs as he found out at Real Madrid.
Also, what message is that to send to the players?
If I were the board I wouldn't give him another penny. If he's acting like we're West Brom or Stoke, then he has enough players there already to carry out his pessimistic outlook.
He can't act like an underdog whilst spending the sort of money that only big clubs can afford.
Honestly, even if we win the FA cup, I think he should be sacked. His way is for a team that doesn't mind being the underdogs, and he can create the us against them mentality which is definitely not the same way that SAF employed it against opponents. This sort of attitude is not good for huge clubs as he found out at Real Madrid.
Also, what message is that to send to the players?
If I were the board I wouldn't give him another penny. If he's acting like we're West Brom or Stoke, then he has enough players there already to carry out his pessimistic outlook.
He can't act like an underdog whilst spending the sort of money that only big clubs can afford.
His public demeanour doesn't inspire determination and abnegation, it's hard to understand how he can expect these traits from his players when his words are at the opposite. Unless he has a dual approach where he privately tells players that we are up to the challenge while he tells something else to the press.
Sweet Baby Jesus.
Summed up what you're saying when he said "we are better than people think we are" three weeks after saying we were no better than Sevilla.
Is this the calm before the storm...?
Hope this thread isn't too active after the game.
It will mean we've won.
It will mean we've won.
Active or not, same things will happen after FT.
Well done, José! As someone who isn't a fan credit where it's due.
Best big game manager around
Sack him. Replace him with the serial loser he beat today.
Another season, another cup final.
Winner.
Winner.
Poch got schooled by a born winner.
Screw the haters, José is the special one!!
Gave Herrera and Pogba a rocket after their poor first 20 mins and it really worked, great performance from both!
Gave Herrera and Pogba a rocket after their poor first 20 mins and it really worked, great performance from both!
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