Finding it pretty hard right now to feel excited in any way at the prospect of going into next season with him in charge.
Jose Mourinho | 2017/18 Assessments | Poll Added
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I can't really vote for any of the three options.
I'm stuck between the second and third.
I voted 3rd, although 1st is also acceptable for me as long as he's willing to be more open minded by bringing in new staff and ideas to his management team. Carrick doesn't really count as I don't think he has any input to the team approach.
How would you feel if Ancelotti came ?
Maybe because in reality you can't just ship out 15-20 players in 1 season and replace them all? Simple on Football Manager, not in reality.
Can't you see the rebuild/upgrade job he has been doing consistently since taking over?
Bailly for Blind
Lindelof for Rojo
Pogba for Bastian
Matic for Schneiderlin
Sanchez for Depay
Lukaku for Rooney
Not to mention in reality we need probably
1-2 CB's
2 Fullbacks
1-2 CM's
Patience.... You seem to think he took over a squad of champions.
In my opinion he took over the worst United squad of my lifetime and has within 2 years steered us to 2nd place (for the first time post-SAF, and back to back CL qualifications, for the first time post-SAF.
my concern is our buys .....is there any method to them or are we just spending for the sake of spending....
our inconsistency and defensive approach can only get us so far .....
our inconsistency and defensive approach can only get us so far .....
That was an absolutely horrendous match for Mourinho because it was his team. He bought 5 of the players. The only player out injured is Romero. The players likely to leave in the summer, didn't make the 18.
Too many flicks, too many touches, holding on to possession for too long: that was the players he bought, especially Sanchez, Pogba and Matic.
He needs to find a system that works. He needs options for different scenarios. The players need to understand the roles they are meant to perform.
If our set-up leaves tons of room on the right, then we need a right-back that is capable of hurting the opposition.
Even if plan A is to go through the middle, we need the capacity to hurt teams in wide areas in case they block off the centre.
Too many flicks, too many touches, holding on to possession for too long: that was the players he bought, especially Sanchez, Pogba and Matic.
He needs to find a system that works. He needs options for different scenarios. The players need to understand the roles they are meant to perform.
If our set-up leaves tons of room on the right, then we need a right-back that is capable of hurting the opposition.
Even if plan A is to go through the middle, we need the capacity to hurt teams in wide areas in case they block off the centre.
Do people really think things will improve next season?
It could. But based on what I've seen, I would expect a similar season (2nd to 4th finish) to this one. I don't trust Jose enough to believe we'll become a slick, cohesive machine next season, which is what City are. City themselves wont be this good points wise but it wont matter unless we get we get take the next step.Do people really think things will improve next season?
Jose did seem like a different man when he was dominating.
I've said this a few times today but a drastic change is needed if we aren't to be exactly the same next season. Whether it's staff/assistant manger, massively new coaching and tactics, or a major overhaul of players, I don't know. Probably all of the above, to be honest.
Because he doesn't seem as dynamic a person as he once was I'm not sure this will happen, which is why this is the first time I'm really questioning him.
I've said this a few times today but a drastic change is needed if we aren't to be exactly the same next season. Whether it's staff/assistant manger, massively new coaching and tactics, or a major overhaul of players, I don't know. Probably all of the above, to be honest.
Because he doesn't seem as dynamic a person as he once was I'm not sure this will happen, which is why this is the first time I'm really questioning him.
Perhaps he needs to move out from the Lowry, then something might change
How much more could he reasonably got done in those 2 years? There's no point in buying for the sake of buying that's how we ended up in this mess in the first place.
If there's no FA Cup win then it's been a very poor season but this sort of thing happen under Fergie so I'm not to worried(Anyone who actually does want rid of Mourinho now is a idiot).
How much time and money have you spent at Old Trafford these past two years? Can you remember the last time you enjoyed it?
It's literally Mourinho second year in charge and so far looking at things we are improving somewhat(We will mostly likely finish in 2nd or 3rd after struggling to get into the top 4 for years). Yes it's been a poor season(Although if we win the FA cup it will be similar to a poor Fergie season) but we can't sack someone like Mou after one bad-ish season because well........it would be a incredibly stupid thing to do. Most of the reactionary shite that's talked on here is mostly down to people not been supporters but instead being consumers and in fairness the club treats the fans as consumers so it's to be expected.
Yeah last week against City(And before then Liverpool this season, League Final Cup final win, Europa League Cup final win).
None of those games were at Old Trafford. Can you not feel him sucking the life out of the stadium? Settling for grinding out results against lesser teams in front of 70,000 mugs who will come back again next week. It's boring, it's cowardly and it's almost impossible to enjoy. Not sure I can keep throwing my money at it every week.
My vote is the same and will always be the same, regardless of beating Liverpool/Chelsea/City. He's not the right manager in this era of football.
Well don't go(easier said then done I know), there's no point wasting your free time doing something that your not enjoying. BUT(And I think this applies to lot people on here)just because you spent a lot of money on United doesn't mean United will play good football and win trophies, this is a sport not a apple product.
The fact is this is the how Mourinho team plays and he's won a ton of trophies playing this way, it hasn't worked this season(I still think it will be a decent season if we win the FA Cup)but it also hasn't been a complete disaster so we go again next season.
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Good points. I haven't thought so much about Jose restricting the players from taking risks, because it always appears that even when he throws the kitchen sink, a la removing the shackles, the players often still look clueless. Just seems to me that the lack of practiced attacking moves is the bigger problem. The pressing issue is puzzling - from his press conferences it sounds like he wants them to press, but looking at performances it just seems as though he doesn't enforce it.
Re: LVG, I certainly don't remember his team pressing per se, but I thought they did generally recover the ball quite quickly? Also, I always felt that LVG's possession obsession wasn't the biggest issue, it was more that he didn't have the players to do it / was unable to get his players to buy into his philosophy.
Pep, Poch and Klopp have their faults but one thing you can never accuse them of, is their team lacking direction and intent.
We've had too many games like yesterday.
You're on a fecking differ planet if you think these players can't be coaching into playing attacking front foot football.
Lost interest.
We've had too many games like yesterday.
You're on a fecking differ planet if you think these players can't be coaching into playing attacking front foot football.
Lost interest.
Just read his post match comments. Utterly depressing. Apparently he’s won eight titles, so none of it can possibly be his fault. As @Minimalist said elsewhere, he sounds more like a pundit making suggestions as to what he’d do if he were manager of Manchester United.
The fact that his own signings look as uninterested as the ones with supposedly weak mentality that he inherited does not auger well for the future.
He’s not going anywhere, and doesn’t deserve to be sacked at this stage in at case, so we’d all be better off getting used to it
The fact that his own signings look as uninterested as the ones with supposedly weak mentality that he inherited does not auger well for the future.
He’s not going anywhere, and doesn’t deserve to be sacked at this stage in at case, so we’d all be better off getting used to it
Gotta laugh at how he just washes his hands off every bad performance by taking a dump on players's attitudes.
Could smell this coming all week. Well, what did you do about it? Players overcomplicated football. Well, aren't you the one who's supposed to get them to play the way they do? Or is just "go out there and get it done boys"?
Could smell this coming all week. Well, what did you do about it? Players overcomplicated football. Well, aren't you the one who's supposed to get them to play the way they do? Or is just "go out there and get it done boys"?
Agreed.
In one of his post match interviews (after one of the big games against City or someone) didn't he say the players aren't as bad as they're made out to be? Yet he's the one constantly saying we've got a shit squad to the press - like after the Sevilla debacle. The comment was bizarre at the time and still is.
Well he signed those players. At collossal expense. So that excuse holds no water.
Unfortunately, those three sentences also apply to Mourinho.
That’s the problem, though. Moyes and Van Gaal have been objectively proven to be absolutely terrible appointments. With no other top club even contemplating signing them.
There’s a decent chance the same will turn out to be true for Mourinho. His reputation surely can’t have been enhanced by what we’ve seen so far at United. Based on what we’ve seen these two seasons - the money spent, the football produced, his handling of the press - can anyone honestly say that he’d definitely walk into another top job if he left United tomorrow?
He'd be absolutely nailed on for the PSG job I reckon.
Sorry, but he isn't the best anymore. The game has passed him by slightly which hurts me to say, but it's true. This isn't the same Jose that was in charge of Chelsea, Inter and Porto.
Nope. I think this is his last chance at an elite club and he knows that.
After his stint with us (Bayern) I severely doubt his ability to give new direction and inspiration to a team in need of both.
Just read his post-match quotes. Again everything remains to be about him, he's really become an egotistical, self-serving prick.
3rd home loss this season. This version of Jose is too complicated and feels like he is managing united just to up his profile again rather than trying to get united back into the elite.
Hardly any chances were created. Undoing all the good work from the city win bringing doom and gloom every other week to the club with uninspiring performances.
There is no doubt that there is progress, but it's only in terms of results and even there, it's two steps forward and one step back.
We have played some awful football over the season and all that depends on Jose.
Don't think we are going to improve next season.
Hardly any chances were created. Undoing all the good work from the city win bringing doom and gloom every other week to the club with uninspiring performances.
There is no doubt that there is progress, but it's only in terms of results and even there, it's two steps forward and one step back.
We have played some awful football over the season and all that depends on Jose.
Don't think we are going to improve next season.
I'm starting to think that he will leave for PSG at season end.
Wouldn't miss him.
We have dropped points against 18th, 19th and 20th placed teams. 2 of them at home and failed to score. It wasn't even shocking result considering we created so little, just not good enough.
Our play is very basic and lacks intensity. How the team plays sort of reflects coach/manager's style. No wonder we lack intensity and look very passive side.
Our play is very basic and lacks intensity. How the team plays sort of reflects coach/manager's style. No wonder we lack intensity and look very passive side.
I'm not looking forward to next season with him in charge. That's how I feel about it. He hasn't given us many reasons to be optimistic. The only thing he can cling onto for now is 2nd.If we start off next season badly (which is a high possibility) and other teams overtake us then things will get really toxic and people will turn on him. When I see the players we have I know we are capable of producing much better but Mourinho is not capable of extracting consistent levels from them. We should be a lot closer to City with some of our talent. Not 16 points behind.
Honestly expected more from him. With what happened at Chelsea I thought he'd be totally driven to prove everyone wrong and build a fantastic side, considering our resources.
He seems burnt out. And totally lacking in ideas not just in attack but his trademark organisation. The amount of shite set-piece goals we leak is nothing like old Mourinho sides. The amount of times we've started games at a snails pace is ridiculous.
And to really rub it in we have City and Liverpool. Under younger more exciting managers. Ok Pep has spent more & started off with a better squad but what of Klopp who took over a bag of shite and has spent less but has them playing like his old Dortmund side and without a doubt on the right path to being one of the best in Europe, maybe even winning the biggest trophy of the lot?
Both of them clearly improve the players they have. To a huge degree. Trent, Robertson, Ox, Salah etc etc. All have improved massively under Klopp. While we see the opposite with Jose and the likes of Pogba and Sanchez.
Right now the best scenario seems like to give Jose another 150m in the summer to improve the team while we continue to play this mundane type of football, getting another 80 odd points, and just hope City or Pool have an off-season so we can nick a title. A bit like his last league title with that Chelsea side who limped over the line. One of the most forgettable champions in years.
He seems burnt out. And totally lacking in ideas not just in attack but his trademark organisation. The amount of shite set-piece goals we leak is nothing like old Mourinho sides. The amount of times we've started games at a snails pace is ridiculous.
And to really rub it in we have City and Liverpool. Under younger more exciting managers. Ok Pep has spent more & started off with a better squad but what of Klopp who took over a bag of shite and has spent less but has them playing like his old Dortmund side and without a doubt on the right path to being one of the best in Europe, maybe even winning the biggest trophy of the lot?
Both of them clearly improve the players they have. To a huge degree. Trent, Robertson, Ox, Salah etc etc. All have improved massively under Klopp. While we see the opposite with Jose and the likes of Pogba and Sanchez.
Right now the best scenario seems like to give Jose another 150m in the summer to improve the team while we continue to play this mundane type of football, getting another 80 odd points, and just hope City or Pool have an off-season so we can nick a title. A bit like his last league title with that Chelsea side who limped over the line. One of the most forgettable champions in years.
Yeah that's sort of how I feel to be honest.
I refrained from posting about it last night cos it may be knee jerk but being at these games all season it's just so bad that I can't support this logic of giving him more time to be honest.
Being at these games all season it's just painful to watch. It's one dimensional and lethargic. We just don't seem interested at all. I agree some of the players need to perform better but the manager seems to get away with it and it's solely based on reputation surely.
Pogba isn't a bad player, Sanchez didn't turn awful the minute he joined us. I said at the game yesterday if they were in City's team they wouldn't be playing like they are for us. It does come down to the manager for me. They're doing what he tells them and it just isn't working. Football is meant to be fun to watch, it's meant to be entertaining and it's not at all anymore. Everything about going to Old Trafford is a miserable experience at the moment and it is down to Mourinho for me.
A lot of name calling in this thread flicking through "plastic fans", "spoilt" etc it doesn't make people spoilt. I'm not demanding to win a league every year or a Champions League but I just want to enjoy going to the game and I don't think there's many United fans who actually do.
Me neither. As I said, we got the wrong portuguese manager. Paulo Fonseca was a much better choice. Dinamo Kiev was coming form a two consecutive titles win and he put them back on track playing atractive football.
That's the point, does anyone actually believe we would be seeing similar meltdown if lets say yesterday we would have created tons of chances (only for woodwork, posts, multiple wonder saves from GK etc. to keep us out, since honestly it's precisely what it should take for a club like WestBrom to come away from OT with 3 points) and were undone only by some lucky break? The answer is clearly no, and these sort of performances are now a norm at Old Trafford were we fail to create many chances against minnows who are happy to sit back and be organised.
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