Jose Mourinho | 2017/18 Assessments | Poll Added

[Eddy_JukeZ]

He's been a failure in the CL since 2010. With the major bottle job vs PSG in 2014-2015 and Simeone of all people having more courage to attack than him.

This is the best we can do under him imo.

I don't see us improving too much next season either.

 

[Loublaze]

Kidding, right?

He's a reputable manager. Chelsea will probably sign him this summer. United need an attacking manager. Fvck this pragmatic BS

 

[SteveW]

Already got it thanks to someone else, but I'll copy/paste my response to you as it goes for the same:

Thanks a lot!
Context was indeed very important, at least for me.
If it had been what was quoted, I'd be livid myself.

This is why full quotes/videos are so important, as taking things out of context can give stuff completely different meaning.

I was what was quoted though. Are you happy with what he said there?

 

[Drainy]

He is a manager who looks the game from a risk averse perspective.

He looks at the opposition and devises a plan to mitigate their strengths. He then looks at his own team.
Today he will have considered how good his team are on the ball, seen that one or two cannot be trusted in possession, so decides to bypass midfield instead.
He looked how immobile and low energy his midfield are, so made his attacking players drop in to help.

 

[NotBrendanRodgers honest]

Mourinho: “Liverpool has the Champions League but they don’t have the FA Cup.”

Imagine if Klopp said that in his position

 

[vangagal]

Sir Bobby, all respect to him, felt Moyes was the better choice. So that comment doesnt really make sense.

With all due respect, SBC and SAF got that one badly wrong in first place. Moyes was their fellow british who they though would be easy to be directed but instead he fired all of SAF's backroom teams. I dont even remember SAF commenting about Moyes's stint again after that happen.

Jose wont be sack. At this point, all kind of reaction was expected. This team need their priority check again. The manner they come to game too relaxing sometimes. Why he changed his team just for facilitated Fellaini of all players?

 

[Member 109952]

Yes but when we got knocked out when Ferguson was manager we didn't go out in such a pathetic and cowardly manner, so his point is moot.

True, I've always felt more comfortable in big games with Fergie in charge, but tbf he's Fergie and we did have some bad performances with him - the 2011/12 CL campaign springs to mind. We finished 3rd in the group behind Basel and Benfica, and then went out to Bilbao in the R16 in the Europa.

 

[Mr Anderson]

He’s made improvements for sure. Let’s not forget the amount of shit the club went through under Moyes and Louis. How many average and unpopular players were signed.

Let’s not forget the state our youth setup was left in, and how City propelled ahead of us in that department as well.

We were and still are a damaged club. Fergies last seasons were as much smash and grab as any. RvP the difference maker.

Jose is the man we need for sure. He is human and gets things wrong. Progress is clear. But as with positions, there is a need for targets. Top 4 with our budgets is a must.

Shit happens. Attitude needs changing on and off the pitch. But we have a foundation there with Jose.

 

[Garethw]

Yes, we were better off with Moyes.

You’re unwavering support is admirable mate.

I’m just sick to death of seeing lethargic anti football.

I’ve seen enough success from this wonderful club to last me a life time. I can take losing to a better team no problem. But this cowardly negative style that we have seen from Mourinho on so many occasions is completely unacceptable in my opinion.

 

[Axkiko]

Really not that bad of a quote. All he is saying is winning is part of football and that they can't get bogged down with this as they have an important game on Saturday.

He brings up his two victories against us to say losing is part of football after we just lost at home under his management. It's 10 times worse than Moyes and LvG quotes.

 

[Canagel]

Luis Enrique please!

Allegri is better. He could be available soon. I want him as the next manager.There are no shortage of replacements but I'd be wary of Enrique. He was living off the front 3 of Messi, Suarez and Neymar. Don't think he's a great coach.

 

[saivet]

People felt sad when the team lost to Bayern in 2010 because we played pretty good and went out due to some individual mistakes. Today the feeling is more anger than anything else as it seemed the team didn't even try most of the game. So there's absolutely a world of difference between losing and going out while every player trying his best and what this Mourinho's team serves in games like that.

Same with Madrid in 2013 and even Bayern under Moyes.

 

[alsabi]

True, I've always felt more comfortable in big games with Fergie in charge, but tbf he's Fergie and we did have some bad performances with him - the 2011/12 CL campaign springs to mind. We finished 3rd in the group behind Basel and Benfica, and then went out to Bilbao in the R16 in the Europa.

In seven seasons we've reached the CL quarter-finals once - and that was under Moyes.

 

[Ban]

He's a reputable manager. Chelsea will probably sign him this summer. United need an attacking manager. Fvck this pragmatic BS

So whoever, just attacking one?

 

[Rajma]

Mou: "I've sat in this chair twice before, with Porto - Man Utd out, with Real Madrid - Man Utd out, so this is nothing new for this football club." #MUFC

Feck off Mourinho. Get out of my club.

Sack him now I say, pathetic. How arrogant one can be after such a cowardly display unseen at OT for decades to come away with the shite like that. He doesn’t belong here and only cares about he’s perceived.

 

[Kush]

You don't read like the brightest lamp in the street.

What about tonight's performance epitomised the stereotypical Mourinho performance? We weren't energetic, athletic, well drilled or showed high levels of concentration. We didn't defend well when it mattered. Our midfield was overrun a lot. Passing was shite. Decision making was awful.

What principles did he refuse to abandon tonight exactly? Stop being such a smart arse and take your patronising nonsense elsewhere.

Let it all out, it's okay.

His principles have always been to negate the opposition first than play to the strengths of his own side, tonight was no different in that regards. We didn't get anywhere near the stereotypical Mourinho performance but it's not like he deliberately sabotaged it. His picked the wrong team and tactics to play his own style of football, I made it clear in my post why similar tactics worked vs Chelsea and Liverpool but not tonight. You need to stop with the snide remarks and learn to read the context behind the posts.

In comparison to Moyes, you bet your ass it was but that still wasn't good enough was it. Just like Mourinho improving things from LVG's tenure thanks to money, it's still not good enough.

I am not denying that our standards have improved from the days of Moyes/van Gaal and it's not good enough but my post was about how he has utilized the money and if given an option I'd feel far more safe that he spend it than any other manager.

 

[Loublaze]

Allegri is better. He could be available soon. I want him as the next manager.There are no shortage of replacements but I'd be wary of Enrique. He was living off the front 3 of Messi, Suarez and Neymar. Don't think he's a great coach.

isn't this the same way people dismissed Pep at Barcelona? The strong squad he inherited despite getting rid of some old players?

 

[SirAF]

He’s made improvements for sure. Let’s not forget the amount of shit the club went through under Moyes and Louis. How many average and unpopular players were signed.

Let’s not forget the state our youth setup was left in, and how City propelled ahead of us in that department as well.

We were and still are a damaged club. Fergies last seasons were as much smash and grab as any. RvP the difference maker.

Jose is the man we need for sure. He is human and gets things wrong. Progress is clear. But as with positions, there is a need for targets. Top 4 with our budgets is a must.

Shit happens. Attitude needs changing on and off the pitch. But we have a foundation there with Jose.

This. People are always going to be reactionary after such a result.

 

[Loublaze]

So whoever, just attacking one?

Someone not as pragmatic as LVG 2.0 Mourinho

 

[Igor Drefljak]

Poch... Throw the money at him

 

[L1nk]

I see it's back to Mourinho out then, after me and other people got slammed and laughed at weeks back after we won 1 match for suggesting all wasn't right with Mourinho and the way the team has been playing all season.

Get Thomas Tuchel in whilst Bayern and hmm'ing and ahh'ing.

 

[Minimalist]

Let it all out, it's okay.

His principles have always been to negate the opposition first than play to the strengths of his own side, tonight was no different in that regards. We didn't get anywhere near the stereotypical Mourinho performance but it's not like he deliberately sabotaged it. His picked the wrong team and tactics to play his own style of football, I made it clear in my post why similar tactics worked vs Chelsea and Liverpool but not tonight. You need to stop with the snide remarks and learn to read the context behind the posts.

We had 3 shots on target and Sevilla had 6. United didn't out-do Sevilla in any aspect - even their defending was superior. What was the strategy tonight again? What did we lure Sevilla into doing? They were really poor in the final third actually - should have made more of their attacks in the first half in particular.

That is what people are commenting on. Not the bloody philisophy of Jose Mourinho like some academic discussion. We're talking about the game tonight. Telling people to calm down like they don't have the right to point out the obvious makes you sound like a bloody know-it-all. And you still do.

 

[Kraftwerker]

Ignoring the aesthetics of football for a moment, and even the results, a few things that simply aren’t acceptable for a supposed Mourinho team:

- we’re shite at defending set pieces, particularly corners
- we’re shite at attacking set pieces, particularly corners (even though we’re a team of giants)
- we play defensively yet we’re wide open defensively.
- we don’t counter-attack despite inviting the opposition into us

I can take the less than stylish football if the above elements were there. I’d happily see us become a defensively sound, sit back side, if it meant we were actually solid and counterattacked effectively. We’re nowhere near.

 

[Ban]

Someone not as pragmatic as LVG 2.0 Mourinho

Sorry but it shouldn't be that simple. You don't like Mou so lets get any manager who isn't pragmatic but an attacking one. And if that doesn't turn out to be good, ok lets sack him and then what. Get another one, whoever.
What I'm saying is we as a club need to go for the best. Not just throw names of attacking minded managers.

 

[Vato]

wtf

 

[dwd]

I’ve spent thousands of pounds and wasted hundreds of hours to watch his United side play and I think I’ve only enjoyed about 20% of it, if that.

Don’t want him sacked just yet though, I am still hopeful he can turn it around. Probably blind faith though.

 

[Rockets Redglare]

I don’t mind playing shit football if we actually win games, but to turn up and play like that at home and still lose is an absolute disgrace.

 

[Ødegaard]

I was what was quoted though. Are you happy with what he said there?

I'm very unhappy with today. I'm trying to figure out if it means I've lost faith in Mourinho or if it's because of how bad it feels to go out now, in this way.

I am happy that you took me up on my request to get a source for the quotes.
As for the quote itself, I'm neither happy nor unhappy with them as it seems to me that it was just a unfortunate way of explaining that the nature of the Champions League means that clubs will go out before they think they deserve to or something to that effect.
I understand how people can see it as him washing his hands here or trying to show himself in a better light than the club since he's talking about times when he knocked United out, but I don't think that is what he intended, nevertheless the fact that he used those words means I can accept it if people lose faith in him or are angered by his way of speaking.

My extreme negative feelings currently however feels mostly down to how poor we set up (in my opinion) & the lack of effort and focus from the players.
I think Fellaini & Matic as a duo is too slow regardless of who the 3rd midfielder would be (hell, even Kante stamina with Bolt speed wouldn't make them a good duo in my opinion), and I don't get why McTominay wasn't trusted ahead of a recently injured Fellaini, or why Rashford was started out on the right, or why he spent so long before changing things up in our midfield & attack.

I think he had a massive miss today in his tactical and personell choices, and those annoy me to no end as opposed to the quotes I feel were taken out of context to make his poor wording seem as him bashing the club and washing his hands.

 

[Sigma]

He brings up his two victories against us to say losing is part of football after we just lost at home under his management. It's 10 times worse than Moyes and LvG quotes.

I'm not just not the type of person to get worked up by what managers say. It was a poor performance and Mourinho was mostly to blame, thats all I care about. We move on to the FA Cup and hopefully we will progress in that to stop our season from petering out.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

isn't this the same way people dismissed Pep at Barcelona? The strong squad he inherited despite getting rid of some old players?

Pep had 3 fantastic seasons at Barcelona.

Enrique's team got worse and worse as the seasons progressed.

 

[SirAF]

Sorry but it shouldn't be that simple. You don't like Mou so lets get any manager who isn't pragmatic but an attacking one. And if that doesn't turn out to be good, ok lets sack him and then what. Get another one, whoever.
What I'm saying is we as a club need to go for the best. Not just throw names of attacking minded managers.

Replacing Mourinho this summer would be the safest way of setting the club back years. A new manager would implement a new style, bring new staff, and to a certain degree new players. Tick tock.
I’m confident Mourinho will win the PL in the next two years.

 

[RedSky]

Money doesn't guarantee success, but when you're spending an absolute ton it should be one of the primary metrics by which your performances are judged. Mourinho is exactly where he should be in the league. That's fine...relatively speaking, because it's an improvement on what's come before and it demonstrates an upward trend, but I also don't think it's particularly remarkable for a man who won the CL with Porto, came into the PL, told everyone how great he was and then affirmed that by pissing over United and Arsenal sides that'd dominated for the past decade, and for the guy who's Inter side managed to stop Guardiola's Barca, winning the CL in a year where they essentially beat the best sides from the other three big leagues. Mourinho's been a stabilising influence for us but a lot of the discontent, I think, comes from the fact that we brought him in to be more than that.

While there's obviously a lot that makes United unique, and we're still influenced by the legacy implanted by a historically long-lasting manager, I'd mostly argue we are a normal club...one that'll go through managers who stay for four or five years, ones that stay for a couple, ones that get sacked for not being good enough, and all the rest of it. And Liverpool have demonstrated that you can be out of the top four for a number of years and be relatively okay, so long as you get in someone who improves you again. And quite frankly if we do make a good appointment post-Jose (whenever that may be) then it shouldn't be a problem. Again, longevity and supposed stability is no guarantee of success, because supposed progress can undo itself very, very quickly, as Mourinho himself demonstrated in the 15-16 season. Progress isn't always linear. We've improved massively on Moyes and LVG, but that's an extraordinarily low bar to set. The fact we've sacked two successive managers isn't the problem...the issue is that those managers were both really, really bad at their jobs.

And I say this as someone who does acknowledge Mourinho's improved us, and who does think he should stay, but who also understands the frustrations of those who want him gone, and as someone who feels like his approach might just be a bit too outdated for us to stand a reasonable chance at winning the PL or CL while he's here. Pragmatic, defensive teams winning big competitions is the exception right as opposed to the norm, and while Mourinho's improved us I worry he'll struggle to take us much further unless he can't implement a more attacking approach.

The problem ultimately is expectations though. Some people expect that by spending a large amount of money we should immediately propel ourselves to the top of the pile like it's our divine right. That is ultimately wrong. Spending money gives us a better chance of jumping up the development process but it's not an instant fix. Just look at Pogba as a perfect example of a player all of us assumed would work out and yet here he is struggling big time.

You've used Liverpool as an example and that's fair to a degree. The problem is that there is much more money involved now and it's a constant upward spiral. In my opinion, there's far too much money involved but thats a different topic. The point being that dropping out of the CL for 3-4 seasons in a row would be deeply damaging to United. We were told of this by Woody when we failed to qualify for the CL, we can cope with it happening once or twice, but any more than that and it will damage the brand (again I hate this part of the game).

Finally, I totally agree with your last paragraph. I have eyes, I can see that performances like today are totally unacceptable and are a reason why people would complain about Jose. I get bored watching us on occasions and I always wince at people on here who say "winning is the most important thing", you can see that in the Tottenham thread. But I also think it's over dramatic to attack Jose after todays game and want him sacked. Demand better football next season is fair, wanting him sacked imo isn't. As for his future, I think he'll be fine, he's demonstrated this season that we can play well. The problem is consistency, we're looking good one week and damn awful the next.

 

[Dinghy]

We've been crap all year. Anyone who thinks our performances against Liverpool or Chelsea prove otherwise have questionable standards. I'd have been impressed if West Brom won those two games with our tactics, but not Manchester United. We continue to play passive football - if the opposition don't play the way we expect them to do, we're nothing. Sevilla are not a great team, and they made us look small time. Why weren't we on the front foot here? Shit scared of conceding an away goal? Grow some balls. It's like it's always about the opposition, never about us. Never mind the players, never mind the tactics, we continue to play like a small team with a small mindset.

We all want success, but come on now enough's enough. SAF didn't always have great players, but he always had players who believed they were great - he made sure of that. Jose highlights his teams perceived weaknesses with his tactics in almost every match, and I think that has probably taken its toll. Change in the summer? Well I see very little reason to hope he stays. 2nd in the league? I suppose if you're a fan of stats rather than football you could be somewhat happy...

Spot on.

 

[whatwha]

Maybe it wasn't such a great idea to give him a new contract less than halfway through his first one. I always said we should at least wait until the end of the second season before deciding.

 

[Ban]

Replacing Mourinho this summer would be the safest way of setting the club back years. A new manager would implement a new style, bring new staff, and to a certain degree new players. Tick tock.
I’m confident Mourinho will win the PL in the next two years.

I hope so. I'm his fan but he needs to deliver the PL next season.
I can understand reactions here tonight, I for one am fuming but a lot of it is completely OTT.
It's - just sack him, I don't care who come, just sack him.
Yeah that would work.

 

[breakout67]

In that game, Mourinho actually abandoned his principles. We did not put 100% on the pitch, we were defensively open, so many individual errors which indicates poor preparation. This does not feel like Jose Mourinho, in fact Jose Mourinho actually got Jose Mourinho'd by the Sevilla manager! We are in a difficult situation, because Jose Mourinho's world record signing is stinking up the place as well.

If we get rid of him, we could either go up another level, or we could go back to mediocrity. To be honest, I wouldn't be against bringing in Carlo Ancelotti next season, because he has a history of doing well when inheriting a Mourinho team. But, I also wouldn't mind Mourinho getting another season because he'll almost certainly get us top 4 again next season, which has been a difficult thing for us.

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

Win or lose, he's been killing the enjoyment of the game for me for ages now, tonight was just a new low in how bad he can get us to play with such good players.

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

Good football, trophies = great
Bad football, trophies = tolerable
Good football, no trophies = entertainment value
Bad football while losing to below par teams is not acceptable.

 

[RedStarUnited]

Ignoring the aesthetics of football for a moment, and even the results, a few things that simply aren’t acceptable for a supposed Mourinho team:

- we’re shite at defending set pieces, particularly corners
- we’re shite at attacking set pieces, particularly corners (even though we’re a team of giants)
- we play defensively yet we’re wide open defensively.
- we don’t counter-attack despite inviting the opposition into us

I can take the less than stylish football if the above elements were there. I’d happily see us become a defensively sound, sit back side, if it meant we were actually solid and counterattacked effectively. We’re nowhere near.

This post says everything I have realised recently, we are a stupid team.

Allegri is better. He could be available soon. I want him as the next manager.There are no shortage of replacements but I'd be wary of Enrique. He was living off the front 3 of Messi, Suarez and Neymar. Don't think he's a great coach.

Another reactive manager rather than pro active. Im done with these type of guys. I want a manager thats going to try and impose his teams tactics on most of the teams.

 

[Jeffthered]

Mou: "I've sat in this chair twice before, with Porto - Man Utd out, with Real Madrid - Man Utd out, so this is nothing new for this football club." #MUFC

Feck off Mourinho. Get out of my club.

If he has said that, then he needs to walk. That's a disgraceful comment, for a manager to say about a magnificent football club. But it also shows his arrogance. He thinks he is untouchable.

It's a disgrace...