No chance the Glazers are sacking Jose! They just want CL qualification each year and he seems to have cracked that.
Jose Mourinho | 2017/18 Assessments | Poll Added
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A man can dream. Not only do we get rid of him, but PSG get stuck with his brand of football? Talk about a double whammy!
This. The preciousness here is palpable!
Trying to justify his shite tactics. At least on those two occasions we went out, we actually looked like a team doing so.
Thanks a lot!
Context was indeed very important, at least for me.
If it had been what was quoted, I'd be livid myself.
This is why full quotes/videos are so important, as taking things out of context can give stuff completely different meaning.
Yeah exactly. We set up as if they were 20pts clear at the top of La Liga
WTF is he talking about? That basically he's an expert of knocking Utd out of the Champions League, including when he's the fecking manager of the club? What a cnut.
Luis Enrique please!
Just spoke to my brother who's been on Mourinho's back for a while and he said it was the Boro away win that started it all. 2-0 up away from home and we decided to park the bus playing 6 defenders and we invited so much pressure.
That game concerned me too but I gave the benefit of the doubt.
Very much of the opinion if you play shit football and lose you can't justify it. Play good football and lose (Poch and Klopp) at least you can say you've enjoyed it.
That game concerned me too but I gave the benefit of the doubt.
Very much of the opinion if you play shit football and lose you can't justify it. Play good football and lose (Poch and Klopp) at least you can say you've enjoyed it.
Yeah he was wrong once. Doesn't mean he is wrong all the time, especially about this.
Right, but he could have just said that and no one would have had an issue. Instead he made it about his past achievements over his current club.
Tend to agree with that. In fact I will go as far to how dare he come out to say that after a shocking defeat. Why can’t he just come out and say it’s was not a performance we want to see?
Soon as he signed that stupid 1 year extension I had a feeling in my bones that he was leaving soon. That’s a man bumping up his pay off IMO.
Of course it was. We have only lost to City at home all season and were heavy favourites to go through. People are too emotional to see sense at the moment. The feck up was tonight, not the 1st leg.
In comparison to Moyes, you bet your ass it was but that still wasn't good enough was it. Just like Mourinho improving things from LVG's tenure thanks to money, it's still not good enough.
Excellent post.
This post is bang on. The bean counters want a CL QF every year. But R16 will probably suffice for them this year. As long as he finishes top 4 he'll probably be safe for the clueless, spineless bunch that run this club.
We need higher standards. This is meant to be the biggest, or close to, club in the world.
You don't read like the brightest lamp in the street.
What about tonight's performance epitomised the stereotypical Mourinho performance? We weren't energetic, athletic, well drilled or showed high levels of concentration. We didn't defend well when it mattered. Our midfield was overrun a lot. Passing was shite. Decision making was awful.
What principles did he refuse to abandon tonight exactly? Stop being such a smart arse and take your patronising nonsense elsewhere.
Exactly. Plus look at the teams we played through the Europa League ties? And to add to that, the only reason we took the trophy seriously was because top 4 went by Christmas.
Money doesn't guarantee success, but when you're spending an absolute ton it should be one of the primary metrics by which your performances are judged. Mourinho is exactly where he should be in the league. That's fine...relatively speaking, because it's an improvement on what's come before and it demonstrates an upward trend, but I also don't think it's particularly remarkable for a man who won the CL with Porto, came into the PL, told everyone how great he was and then affirmed that by pissing over United and Arsenal sides that'd dominated for the past decade, and for the guy who's Inter side managed to stop Guardiola's Barca, winning the CL in a year where they essentially beat the best sides from the other three big leagues. Mourinho's been a stabilising influence for us but a lot of the discontent, I think, comes from the fact that we brought him in to be more than that.
While there's obviously a lot that makes United unique, and we're still influenced by the legacy implanted by a historically long-lasting manager, I'd mostly argue we are a normal club...one that'll go through managers who stay for four or five years, ones that stay for a couple, ones that get sacked for not being good enough, and all the rest of it. And Liverpool have demonstrated that you can be out of the top four for a number of years and be relatively okay, so long as you get in someone who improves you again. And quite frankly if we do make a good appointment post-Jose (whenever that may be) then it shouldn't be a problem. Again, longevity and supposed stability is no guarantee of success, because supposed progress can undo itself very, very quickly, as Mourinho himself demonstrated in the 15-16 season. Progress isn't always linear. We've improved massively on Moyes and LVG, but that's an extraordinarily low bar to set. The fact we've sacked two successive managers isn't the problem...the issue is that those managers were both really, really bad at their jobs.
And I say this as someone who does acknowledge Mourinho's improved us, and who does think he should stay, but who also understands the frustrations of those who want him gone, and as someone who feels like his approach might just be a bit too outdated for us to stand a reasonable chance at winning the PL or CL while he's here. Pragmatic, defensive teams winning big competitions is the exception right as opposed to the norm, and while Mourinho's improved us I worry he'll struggle to take us much further unless he can't implement a more attacking approach.
A leopard never changes its spots. The same cowardly tactics derailed our PL run against Liverpool and took weeks for the players to recover. Now we do the same shite against fecking Sevilla. How do you think the players are likely to react to being told to defend against a team that shipped 5 goals against fecking EIBAR ffs.
If only Mourinho could get over his boner for shitehouse tactics in big games. He doesn't understand that United fans wold rather go down swinging than scrape shitty 0-0 and 0-1 against this sort of shite.
If only Mourinho could get over his boner for shitehouse tactics in big games. He doesn't understand that United fans wold rather go down swinging than scrape shitty 0-0 and 0-1 against this sort of shite.
That was a poor show from Mourinho.
His instructions were far too cautious. His decision to play Rashford out of position for an underperforming Sanchez was a bad one. The decision to start Fellaini automatically made the team negative and ponderous. Instead of using the positivity of the last three games to galvanise the team and club to greater heights he's managed to deliver a tumescent embarrassment.
He let the club down.
His instructions were far too cautious. His decision to play Rashford out of position for an underperforming Sanchez was a bad one. The decision to start Fellaini automatically made the team negative and ponderous. Instead of using the positivity of the last three games to galvanise the team and club to greater heights he's managed to deliver a tumescent embarrassment.
He let the club down.
He better get a hold of himself quickly, otherwise if he sulks and creates a bad atmosphere we could get knocked out of the FA cup plus start sliding back down the table to glorious fifth - still 8 games to go so that can happen.
I wouldn't give him another penny unless I had some kind of inkling that he intends to adapt his approach. Needs some new blood behind the scenes as well to give him a different perspective, otherwise we're going nowhere. Can't keep blaming all these players.
If we allow him to, he'll get rid of all our creative players and buy 10 utility players, all on the wrong side of 30, and on huge wages. We just can't afford to have that happen.
I wouldn't give him another penny unless I had some kind of inkling that he intends to adapt his approach. Needs some new blood behind the scenes as well to give him a different perspective, otherwise we're going nowhere. Can't keep blaming all these players.
If we allow him to, he'll get rid of all our creative players and buy 10 utility players, all on the wrong side of 30, and on huge wages. We just can't afford to have that happen.
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I think losing tonight shocked him but he's shrugging it off because he knows he's not got a team to challenge to win the competition anyway.
People felt sad when the team lost to Bayern in 2010 because we played pretty good and went out due to some individual mistakes. Today the feeling is more anger than anything else as it seemed the team didn't even try most of the game. So there's absolutely a world of difference between losing and going out while every player trying his best and what this Mourinho's team serves in games like that.
Cant believe people are defending Mourinho over that comment. I dont care if hes diverting attention, having a dig at the club directed towards the fans is absolutely fecking disgraceful. Both times he knocked us out of the CL we at least gave it a fecking go unlike tonight with his United team!
Again, I think the issue in the 1st leg was the approach. 0-0 is not a bad result, but it's not a good one either, let's not act like we should have been chuffed with a 0-0 where we were under the cosh for 90mins.
Our level is losing to the 5th best team in La Liga?
A proactive manager would have got more from this team, I am so sure of it.
If im the owner, id spend whatevers needed to get Pochetino over to Manchester.
We're just becoming known for boring football. Most of my mates who are neutrals (None of them ABUs) avoid United games like the plague. You get a decent half here or there but it's few and far between.
That's the main issue for me. It's reactive football, tailoring everything to neutralize the opponent, even if the opponent is a mediocre side.
The money spent doesn't translate in solving issues, we're still searching for a cohesive attacking front four, the midfield still has a problem dictating a game, the fullbacks are a mess, The center backs aren't a settled pair ether. You could argue the only department that is settled is the goalkeeper and Mourinho didn't buy him.
That's the main issue for me. It's reactive football, tailoring everything to neutralize the opponent, even if the opponent is a mediocre side.
The money spent doesn't translate in solving issues, we're still searching for a cohesive attacking front four, the midfield still has a problem dictating a game, the fullbacks are a mess, The center backs aren't a settled pair ether. You could argue the only department that is settled is the goalkeeper and Mourinho didn't buy him.
Massive risk.
Already got it thanks to someone else, but I'll copy/paste my response to you as it goes for the same:
Thanks a lot!
Context was indeed very important, at least for me.
If it had been what was quoted, I'd be livid myself.
This is why full quotes/videos are so important, as taking things out of context can give stuff completely different meaning.
I think the tell is how much better we look when we’re behind and desperate. When they want to play, they can. It’s too dramatic an improvement for how we play not to be tactical.
He got it wrong tonight, he showed Sevilla too much respect. I can’t remember a single occasion where we really went for them in the first hour. No-one expects us to the throw the kitchen sink at teams all game but at some stages within games, you’ve got to take the initiative and take the game to the opposition. We don’t until it’s too late.
He has to learn, play properly tonight and we win comfortably. If you invite pressure and allow teams to gain in confidence, you’re more at risk of conceding a goal than you would be if you played differently.
What really killed us tonight though was the lack of urgency and tempo. We didn’t compete one bit.
He got it wrong tonight, he showed Sevilla too much respect. I can’t remember a single occasion where we really went for them in the first hour. No-one expects us to the throw the kitchen sink at teams all game but at some stages within games, you’ve got to take the initiative and take the game to the opposition. We don’t until it’s too late.
He has to learn, play properly tonight and we win comfortably. If you invite pressure and allow teams to gain in confidence, you’re more at risk of conceding a goal than you would be if you played differently.
What really killed us tonight though was the lack of urgency and tempo. We didn’t compete one bit.
Needs to win the FA cup to come away from this season with any sense of success.
Premier League - acceptable showing with good and bad patches. City’s mega season casts a long shadow.
Champions League - not good enough made ten times worse by the manner in which, and who, we were eliminated by.
League Cup - poor showing made bearable by the standing of the competition and the fact we won it last season.
FA Cup - coupled with a second place finish, winning this would still represent real progress. Anything less and there are legitimate question marks.
Of course, an issue which can’t be ignored is that we looked miles better at the start of the season than we do now. Good teams don’t follow that performance trajectory over the course of a season.
Premier League - acceptable showing with good and bad patches. City’s mega season casts a long shadow.
Champions League - not good enough made ten times worse by the manner in which, and who, we were eliminated by.
League Cup - poor showing made bearable by the standing of the competition and the fact we won it last season.
FA Cup - coupled with a second place finish, winning this would still represent real progress. Anything less and there are legitimate question marks.
Of course, an issue which can’t be ignored is that we looked miles better at the start of the season than we do now. Good teams don’t follow that performance trajectory over the course of a season.
Think it's fair to say his job isn't as secure as it once was. It can't be. But that's not to say he's anywhere near to being sacked.
But something has to be called into question after the result, if not Mourinho, then the players. You can't put it down as an off night - because a team playing well below par still should've beaten Sevilla.
But something has to be called into question after the result, if not Mourinho, then the players. You can't put it down as an off night - because a team playing well below par still should've beaten Sevilla.
Maybe.
But next season will be more of the same of this kind of football.
Jose just isn't a long term manager.
0-0 isn't particularly great with the away goal, far better than a defeat but not brilliant either, ideally you want to be scoring at least one to give you more reassurance if your opponents score.
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