A bit handcuffed after the international break. No surprise from Jose here.
Jose Mourinho | 2017/18 Assessments | Poll Added
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I don't even understand what you're talking about anymore. I've countered your point so you've created another straw man argument for some reason. So I'm getting out of this thread before I lose my mind
Disgusting, shameless setup. But not surprising at all.
I'll never agree with his mentality in these games, but I also felt Herrera, Young, Mkhitaryan and Lukaku were really poor at executing any type of counter attacking threat today.
No chance. I saw Fergie's united teams. I don't need to believe you. There's a difference between playing efficient football with some restrictions/less gung ho, and parking the bus. There very some occasions where we changed our approach (vs arsenal at their peak etc). But we didn't park the bus.
The only times we genuinely did that was maybe Barcelona or maybe games where it was obvious we we're completely terrible on the day.
Loads of injuries to key ball players plus loss of momentum and tiredness after international break = flat and disjointed performance
Needs to do a lot better. I can understand this approach against the absolute top sides in some situations. But when a team has such a big glaring weakness as Liverpool, then not even attempting to have a go is just cowardly.
If we setup this way against city, they'll maul us 
The performance last season at City was very similar to today.If we setup this way against city, they'll maul us
With respect this is absolute revisionism. Fergie parked the bus plenty of times against plenty of teams. He was a winner and would do anything to win even if, at times that meant not going for the win.
Yes his teams tried to play attacking football (although they struggled with this for several years until he retired), but his willingness to be pragmatic and accept his own teams limitations was what sets him apart from purists like Wenger.
Typical Mourinho game. Point taken in a hard fixture, coming off an international break as well. A lot of players were individually very poor, too.
Stop the hysterics people.
Stop the hysterics people.
Had only Lukaku scored his sitter, you would not be talking like this right now. Football is tough at the top, but you can imagine who is happy tonight. Mourinho or Klopp? Not even a contest, Klopp is pissed off and yet again failed to score at home to United.
We have a terrible performance today, but people are underrating the Anfield fixture too much it's becoming ridiculous now.
First half the setup was fine the team was compact and played high. Lost our way in the second half and passing was very sloppy. Happy to take the point.
There's been this weird recent trend to cast Fergie as a defensive coach. I don't get it.
I think it's the bolded one. The line up and the first half didn't indicate a match where we set up to defend. But we were so shite at ball retention that we naturally dropped deeper and surrendered ground in the 2nd half.
Said the same during the halftime. We set up to have an ordinary game from the start but we were absolute terrible in keeping the ball. It's the second half when Mourinho decided to kill the game and go for a draw because he gave up attacking with this form.
It's like people forget every year. It's almost always a shit-fest of a game.
We're actually lucky that Liverpool were poor too.
To win you have to take risks. Same story as last year where we didn't lose many games but drew far too many. Won't win the title with the likes of Young as your RW. Aside from Martial no one on this team looks like they can create and link up play.
Unless City is down in luck or form doubt we can challenge if we play like this away against any decent team.
Unless City is down in luck or form doubt we can challenge if we play like this away against any decent team.
Since José's been here, have you seen us - in games where we park the bus - play any sort of decent counter attacking football? Whenever we setup as such, we offer no attacking threat, struggle to get out of our half, and just generally play like a pub team. The fact that this happens time and time again suggests it isn't the players at fault; it's the manger, his coaches, and their tactics.
I dunno bud. You have to beat some of your rivals sometimes. We have 1 goal in 6 away games.
Him claiming Klopp should have had a different set of midfielders out is fair to be honest. We/he will get criticised for negative tactics but his point about Liverpool being so far behind us, at home, know we were depleted in midfield and still kept a defensive midfield
Mourinho's post-match interview, you'd think Liverpool were bloody Barcelona.
Spot on. Everyone has dismissed all the context of injuries, international break and the previous matches. Per usual, the isolation of this match overshadows all the good United have done and will do.
Listening to post match comments on TV for 5 minutes is hilarious. Jose knew how limited the squad was going into today and treated it that way. No issue.
He was fine in the interview. He made the right points to deflect/highlight that Liverpool should have done more too
I have no love for Jose's tactics, but I don't see how he prevents them having composure or accuracy on the ball when they get it, time and again today we were sloppy when we got posession, like some were overwhelmed by the rathole.
Not really. He's right we have no midfield depth at the moment.
But he did not, and expecting every good chance to end up as a goal is delusional. A player missed a chance. This is normal, and happens a fair bit in games. Maybe if we had played our normal game, and committed more players to attack, we might have scored and got a win.
I think people are going slightly overboard.
Three of our big away games from home last season were when we basically gave up on the league and focused attention on Europa league.
Considering it was after international break and missing a few key players it was a good point today.
Three of our big away games from home last season were when we basically gave up on the league and focused attention on Europa league.
Considering it was after international break and missing a few key players it was a good point today.
He wasn't a Wenger or Pep, but his teams were always very attacking in nature. He started learning to be more pragmatic with age, but he rarely ever parked the bus. What we did at Liverpool today and Jose has done many times before is pure defence, unlike SaF.
Had Liverpool scored their sitters, we might have lost by a comfortable margin.
Let’s go by what actually happened.
Mourinho should be just as pissed off as Klopp is, but instead directing it at his team rather than the result. Whatever his approach was, there’s no way he can be satisfied with some of the stuff we did out there today.
Love Jose, he's completely right. We had to adjust our game plan to avoid those quick transitions and the players we needed (Pogba, Fellaini, Bailly Rojo) to dictate our attacks were unavailable.
Great point, tbh.
Great point, tbh.
I think we have to accept that Jose plays this way. He signed someone who builds winning teams and is prone to parking the bus. As long as it wins us big trophies noone will care. But it has to be successful.
I think our biggest problem today was that our midfield and attacking players were seemingly unable to pass the ball to each other. Better individual performances and we could have easily done alot better, regardless of tactics.
1 point at Anfield, after the international break and with a few injuries, is acceptable.
Let's put last seasons performances behind us and see how we do against Spurs before we slate Jose.
1 point at Anfield, after the international break and with a few injuries, is acceptable.
Let's put last seasons performances behind us and see how we do against Spurs before we slate Jose.
But, no matter who it is, it's the same everytime. Last year when we were parking the bus not even Pogba was composed. Whoever's coaching our tansitions from defence into attack isn't doing a good job as we never look organised. José's tactics don't help but he doesn't change them.
That was one chance. One chance in 90 minutes. Regardless of who we are playing that is a really poor return. Of course if he buries it Jose would have been lauded but the point is we didn't. After that chance not once did we even look like working an opening. That chance also came from a Liverpool mistake that we capitalised on, then good work by Martial helped create it but as stated, that was one chance and when it was missed we did nothing to make us even look like creating a chance.
I agree that a draw is not a bad result at Anfield, my frustration is with the performance of the players (which was woeful) and the fact we didn't even try, for a sustained period, to attack a team that the world knows are poor in defence. The point might end up invaluable, but I hope to God every big game we have this season is not approached as today was. Regarding Martial and Lukaku too, I agree if they had half the chances that Pool had we probably would have scored a few.
I think it affects the players mentally though, if the manager is very defensive. That half a second of hesitation can make a big difference. Every time we got the ball in a good position, we had no players to pass forward to other than Lukaku, who was surrounded by Liverpool players.
I think if the players were allowed to be a bit adventurous, we may not have looked so shit.
Yeah, well done eh, ignoring the "on average" bit. If we play like this against all our top rivals then it stands we'll be at a disadvantage compared to a more proactive side (who have been great at picking up points against lesser sides)
He is the managers voice. Knows how to be in the good books. Hope he is off next summer.
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