Jose Mourinho | 2017/18 Assessments | Poll Added

[bosnian_red]

Got our point away to anfield like he wanted. Players under performed of course but the set up worked in the end. People treat us playing at anfield like any other game. It has been our hardest fixture every season. We have never actually played well here. Even with fecking hodgson in charge there and fergie here. Performance was still shite. Call it mental, or them being pumped more them us, the crowd, whatever. We dont play well here. I have more hope of a good performance away to city, madrid, bayern or barca then of one away to liverpool. So yeah. Ill take this type of 0-0 shitshow every time.

 

[AshRK]

When I saw the line up I thought it was 3-4-3 and I was happy as I thought martial would get more freedom but when I saw young playing as a right winger I knew we are in for a long night. 4-2-3-1 would not work against big clubs especially playing young and mkhi as attackers.

 

[el3mel]

It's like people forget every year. It's almost always a shit-fest of a game.

I wasn't even understanding the over confidence before the match. I said before the match that not losing this should be our top priority. People are underestimating this fixture it's unreal really.

I fecking hate playing at Anfield and Bridge. I can't wait to put these 2 fixtures behind my back each season.

 

[pseudo_canadian]

I wasn't even understanding the over confidence before the match. I said before the match that not losing this should be our top priority. People are underestimating this fixture it's unreal really.

I fecking hate playing at Anfield and Bridge. I can't wait to put these 2 fixtures behind my back each season.

Completely agree.

 

[Devil may care]

But, no matter who it is, it's the same everytime. Last year when we were parking the bus not even Pogba was composed. Whoever's coaching our tansitions from defence into attack isn't doing a good job as we never look organised. José's tactics don't help but he doesn't change them.

The thing is our counter attacking has been sharp this season, I felt we often struggled to counter last season with Zlatan as the focal point, but so far we've been pretty dynamic on the break this season, it just seemed like we lost our nerve today.

I think it affects the players mentally though, if the manager is very defensive. That half a second of hesitation can make a big difference. Every time we got the ball in a good position, we had no players to pass forward to other than Lukaku, who was surrounded by Liverpool players.

I think if the players were allowed to be a bit adventurous, we may not have looked so shit.

Most of them have been playing for him long enough now to be used to what is expected I feel, of course if he's told players not to break in numbers then that would be a factor, it just looked to me like several of them lacked the composure needed in a pressure game like today, and the one that wasn't phased lacks the quality.

 

[BluesJr]

You look at how City play and how they performed against Chelsea at Stamford Bridge then you look at us. Not great is it? I’m not even a massive Pep fan but Jose is getting away with far too much here. Our standard needs to be much higher.

 

[Minimalist]

I wasn't even understanding the over confidence before the match. I said before the match that not losing this should be our top priority. People are underestimating this fixture it's unreal really.

I fecking hate playing at Anfield and Bridge. I can't wait to put these 2 fixtures behind my back each season.

Nah I completely agree with your pre-match expectations. I just think the performance was shocking and it has happened last season as well. This is worse than pragmatic.

 

[el3mel]

Nah I completely agree with your pre-match expectations. I just think the performance was shocking and it has happened last season as well. This is worse than pragmatic.

No one will disagree that performance was terrible, but talking arrogantly about this fixture as we should go and outplay them at Anfield is what I can't understand from some even before the game.

 

[DWelbz19]

The fans will turn on him if this is his “master plan” against the bigger sides.

Not for a while yet. The general rhetoric has gone from 'this isn't Mourinho's complete side, wait a season for him to figure it out' to 'well Fergie did it' or 'we can still win the league without beating our rivals!'

 

[amolbhatia50k]

There's been this weird recent trend to cast Fergie as a defensive coach. I don't get it.

Just to paint Jose as his equal/similar/cut from the same cloth.

Rather people accept Jose being different than SAF being similar.

 

[shaky]

You look at how City play and how they performed against Chelsea at Stamford Bridge then you look at us. Not great is it? I’m not even a massive Pep fan but Jose is getting away with far too much here. Our standard needs to be much higher.

What exactly is Jose "getting away with"? He's been in the job a little over one season. Got us 2 trophies in his first season. 8 league games into this season and we're 5 clear of 3rd place, 8 games undefeated, 7/8 clean sheets, full points in the CL games so far. I mean, yeah, it wasn't a classic game today, but have a bit of perspective.

 

[Ace of Spades]

Most of them have been playing for him long enough now to be used to what is expected I feel, of course if he's told players not to break in numbers then that would be a factor, it just looked to me like several of them lacked the composure needed in a pressure game like today, and the one that wasn't phased lacks the quality.

He does not always play this defensive though, so it does not matter how long he has been managing the players for.

The lack of composure is because of the defensive style though, we have seen it many times. The players need movement and passing options, if there are none then players will struggle.

Every time Jose has gone ultra defensive, we have struggled to keep the ball, no matter which players have played.

A manager can make a big difference on player performances.

 

[BluesJr]

What exactly is Jose "getting away with"? He's been in the job a little over one season. Got us 2 trophies in his first season. 8 league games into this season and we're 5 clear of 3rd place, 8 games undefeated, 7/8 clean sheets, full points in the CL games so far. I mean, yeah, it wasn't a classic game today, but have a bit of perspective.

My perspective is that we shouldn’t be going into every single big game as the plucky underdog just looking to nick a goal. It’s embarrassing can’t stand his tactics. They might have worked in the past but it’s done nothing for us in these games for us so far. I want us to dominate and attack, that’s what I want to watch as a fan of one of the world’s biggest clubs.

 

[Devil may care]

We used to go toe to toe with every fecker under Fergie in the first decade or so, whether it was Liverpool or Barcelona, on their patch or not, then he became a bit more conservative in latter years but never to this extent, where we offered no attempt at attacking.

 

[prtk0811]

No one will disagree that performance was terrible, but talking arrogantly about this fixture as we should go and outplay them at Anfield is what I can't understand from some even before the game.

You need "Will". And that's it. We all know how liverpool will play under klopp. Its pretty much the same vs city with pep , against barcelona or against real madrid or bayern or every other total football playing team out there.

Our midfeild is not good enough to control the game against a mid 3 because we dont win the first and second balls often as a result both the wingers need to cover 100 m from defense to attack almost at left and right back because the pressing results in the opposition passing the ball sideways , and that leaves only mkh and lukaku up top.. and the lack of creativity too makes it so difficult to create a single decent chance and we keep punting the ball to lukaku and can not follow it up by winning second balls because of getting pressed as mkh is shit in that area. even if he wins the ball he has no support from the wingers who are positionally at left back and right back and he looses the ball or passes it backwards and thenext pass from the midfeilders is always safe because of mkh's shit movement.

Have absolutely lost any faith that mkh can handle the united shirt or jose could take the best out of him.

A Defender in the middle along with herrera and matic or mata in the middle along with herrera or matic was going to be so much better where you could actually build an attack with better ball circulation in high pressure.

We are lacking in the balance to play a 4231 in big games and will never perform in any game be it on anfeild or at home against the posession based sides.

Lvg was building here and put in a good platform but jose mourinho this season is destroying the very same platform via his decisions of how to play in posession or the line up which should be selected in these games.

6 shots only and one on target is not going down well here.

 

[FCBarca]

No one will disagree that performance was terrible, but talking arrogantly about this fixture as we should go and outplay them at Anfield is what I can't understand from some even before the game.

I wouldn't say it was terrible but more like typical from a Mou side, he won't risk being beaten and is content to settle for a draw if they can't manage a win from an odd counter. Some will defend it because it's pragmatic but many will also find it quite dull and lacking courage

 

[Devil may care]

He does not always play this defensive though, so it does not matter how long he has been managing the players for.

The lack of composure is because of the defensive style though, we have seen it many times. The players need movement and passing options, if there are none then players will struggle.

Every time Jose has gone ultra defensive, we have struggled to keep the ball, no matter which players have played.

A manager can make a big difference on player performances.

I just don't think you can absolve then that easily, I hate how Jose approaches these games, I'm not overly fond of his mentality in general, but I do feel that the occassion sank a few of them out there today, but we were also barricaded in against Southampton and were the same so I do see your point.

 

[prtk0811]

No one will disagree that performance was terrible, but talking arrogantly about this fixture as we should go and outplay them at Anfield is what I can't understand from some even before the game.[/QUO

Well you can atleast make better decisions on the ball and atleast control 50 % OF THE BALL IF NOT MORE.

 

[el3mel]

You need "Will". And that's it. We all know how liverpool will play under klopp. Its pretty much the same vs city with pep , against barcelona or against real madrid or bayern or every other total football playing team out there.

Our midfeild is not good enough to control the game against a mid 3 because we dont win the first and second balls often as a result both the wingers need to cover 100 m from defense to attack almost at left and right back because the pressing results in the opposition passing the ball sideways , and that leaves only mkh and lukaku up top.. and the lack of creativity too makes it so difficult to create a single decent chance and we keep punting the ball to lukaku and can not follow it up by winning second balls because of getting pressed as mkh is shit in that area. even if he wins the ball he has no support from the wingers who are positionally at left back and right back and he looses the ball or passes it backwards and thenext pass from the midfeilders is always safe because of mkh's shit movement.

Have absolutely lost any faith that mkh can handle the united shirt or jose could take the best out of him.

A Defender in the middle along with herrera and matic or mata in the middle along with herrera or matic was going to be so much better where you could actually build an attack with better ball circulation in high pressure.

We are lacking in the balance to play a 4231 in big games and will never perform in any game be it on anfeild or at home against the posession based sides.

Lvg was building here and put in a good platform but jose mourinho this season is destroying the very same platform via his decisions of how to play in posession or the line up which should be selected in these games.

6 shots only and one on target is not going down well here.

The post was going well till that bold part. The Juanfield match has exaggerated LVG possession system. Our last win in Anfield with Rooney goal LVG parked the bus the whole game and we did nothing except that corner. In 1-1 draw against Chelsea in the same season LVG also parked the bus the whole game and grabbed a lucky goal via Lingard. He wasn't really that dominating away from home as you're making him to be.

 

[dichinero]

There's been this weird recent trend to cast Fergie as a defensive coach. I don't get it.

To some fans, Fergie doing it a few times is the same José doing it all the time.

 

[Ace of Spades]

I just don't think you can absolve then that easily, I hate how Jose approaches these games, I'm not overly fond of his mentality in general, but I do feel that the occassion sank a few of them out there today, but we were also barricaded in against Southampton and were the same so I do see your point.

Believe me, I am certainly not absolving them, I think some in particular barely tried to play positively and were complete cowards.

But even our better players who were trying to play were very isolated with very few options in front of them.

It is a two fold problem, need better quality in some positions and better tactics from the manager.

 

[Devil may care]

Believe me, I am certainly not absolving them, I think some in particular barely tried to play positively and were complete cowards.

But even our better players who were trying to play were very isolated with very few options in front of them.

It is a two fold problem, need better quality in some positions and better tactics from the manager.

I agree that it's a combination of more quality needed and better mindset from the manager, players have to feel free to break properly and not constantly worry about their defesnive duties, but we also need players who move that ball quicker and can protect it better against the press.

 

[prtk0811]

The post was going well till that bold part. The Juanfield match has exaggerated LVG possession system. Our last win in Anfield with Rooney goal LVG parked the bus the whole game and we did nothing except that corner. In 1-1 draw against Chelsea in the same season LVG also parked the bus the whole game and grabbed a lucky goal via Lingard. He wasn't really that dominating away from home as you're making him to be.

Oh come on, give lvg credit where it is due. He never parked the bus, and won all the big games here.

 

[Sammyjunn]

To some fans, Fergie doing it a few times is the same José doing it all the time.

Nail on head.

 

[el3mel]

Oh come on, give lvg credit where it is due. He never parked the bus, and won all the big games here.

He parked the bus in certain games and I gave you examples.

 

[prtk0811]

Just Playing mata in the middle would have made so much sense today.

Disappointed with matic 's passing too today. Forced to press wider because his press resistance was not working with little movement from the wingers or the cam in mkh.

 

[prtk0811]

He parked the bus in certain games and I gave you examples.

If you now lvg philosophy it can never happen. we alteast controlled 50 % of the ball in the worst performances and built better from the back. The problem is jose always tells his team to punt the ball long to lukaku evertime the posession is with the defenders or de gea. And we also rarely build from the back and find that penetrative pass and keep the ball under pressure.

Every time this season we have struggled to create or control against high pressing. I am not against a reactive counter attacking approach , but you need creativity work rate and effciency to score goals that way which we dont have the players for.

 

[el3mel]

If you now lvg philosophy it can never happen. we alteast controlled 50 % of the ball in the worst performances and built better from the back. The problem is jose always tells his team to punt the ball long to lukaku evertime the posession is with the defenders or de gea. And we also rarely build from the back and find that penetrative pass and keep the ball under pressure.

Every time this season we have struggled to create or control against high pressing. I am not against a reactive counter attacking approach , but you need creativity work rate and effciency to score goals that way which we dont have the players for.

Bro, go rewatch the 2 games I mentioned or watch a highlights video for them and you'll know I'm right, especially the 1-0 win at Anfield.

 

[Witchking]

Oh come on, give lvg credit where it is due. He never parked the bus, and won all the big games here.

It's a real pity that LvG does not get the deserved credit. Yes, he screwed up but he did get United to important wins against the big teams especially Liverpool. This season United have been playing well against the bottom teams and the first real proper game against Liverpool, Jose gets the defensive setup up. Very disappointing specially with Klopp getting on this mighty horse.

 

[prtk0811]

Bro, go rewatch the 2 games I mentioned or watch a highlights video for them and you'll know I'm right, especially the 1-0 win at Anfield.

We controlled 50 % of the ball there and it was against klopps team. We had always maintained an attacking threat under him, but sometimes it was his own back passing that we kept passing back even after we reached the final third.

We can even go to final third if we dont punt the ball long this season.

 

[el3mel]

We controlled 50 % of the ball there and it was against klopps team. We had always maintained an attacking threat under him, but sometimes it was his own back passing that we kept passing back even after we reached the final third.

We can even go to final third if we dont punt the ball long this season.

We didn't even create a single good chance in this game. It was all Liverpool but we smashed this corner and we won. Proper "smash and grab" that's it. 90% of our wins at Anfield came this way: smash and grab. Juanfield is just an exception.

What about the 2-1 win against Arsenal at Emirates in his first season ? Wasn't that a parked bus, too ?

 

[11101]

I think he got it wrong today. It's been years since the difference between the two sides was this big. They were there to be beaten today and we didn't really try. 2 points dropped.

 

[prtk0811]

We didn't even create a single good chance in this game. It was all Liverpool but we smashed this corner and we won. Proper "smash and grab" that's it. 90% of our wins at Anfield came this way: smash and grab. Juanfield is just an exception.

What about the 2-1 win against Arsenal at Emirates in his first season ? Wasn't that a parked bus, too ?

We dint park the bus, we got dominated because of poor midfeilders and scored on the counter. You can point out an one off game. But it happens everytime with mourinho and its a well known fact. He just dont care about the ball posession and circulation and what we do with it in every big game except chelsea last season and some whatt arsenal Lvg did care.

Saf absorbed the pressure too against the likes of arsenal , but he was lethal in the counter attack and ball circulation. Our ball circulation has been pretty bad in all the tough games out there because sometimes you just have to build from the back and not punt it long 9 out of 10 times on your first reaction your defenders receive the ball.

 

[shabadu84]

Was fine with the approach in the first half but we didn't look to do anything in the 2nd half. Thought it called for Mata to come on and give us some more thoughtful possession in midfield. TBF, Liverpool didn't press us much, so it was hard to execute any counters as I'm sure we planned.

 

[BluesJr]

It's a real pity that LvG does not get the deserved credit. Yes, he screwed up but he did get United to important wins against the big teams especially Liverpool. This season United have been playing well against the bottom teams and the first real proper game against Liverpool, Jose gets the defensive setup up. Very disappointing specially with Klopp getting on this mighty horse.

LVG was building a great platform which Jose should have continued with and added his other qualities but instead he’s taken his usual cowards way of playing and just hoping for the best. Not good.

 

[el3mel]

We dint park the bus, we got dominated because of poor midfeilders and scored on the counter. You can point out an one off game. But it happens everytime with mourinho and its a well known fact. He just dont care about the ball posession and circulation and what we do with it in every big game except chelsea last season and some whatt arsenal Lvg did care.

Saf absorbed the pressure too against the likes of arsenal , but he was lethal in the counter attack and ball circulation. Our ball circulation has been pretty bad in all the tough games out there because sometimes you just have to build from the back and not punt it long 9 out of 10 times on your first reaction your defenders receive the ball.

I can say the same on any team who park the bus really.

Away from Juanfield which away game against top 6 LVG outplayed the opponent in it ?

 

[prtk0811]

I can say the same on any team who park the bus really.

Away from Juanfield which away game against top 6 LVG outplayed the opponent in it ?

Man city We won under lvg with good percentage of the ball , rashford scored the winner. Won against tottenham, won against arsenal with academy kids all over the pitch, beat liverpool 5 times in his tenure and won against city 4-2 at home.

Could not win against chelsea because of mourinho.

 

[el3mel]

Man city We won under lvg with good percentage of the ball , rashford scored the winner. Won against tottenham, won against arsenal with academy kids all over the pitch, beat liverpool 5 times in his tenure and won against city 4-2 at home.

I mentioned away games in which he outplayed the opponent bar Juanfield ?

 

[Borden]

Pep is a better manager, no question.

 

[prtk0811]

I mentioned away games in which he outplayed the opponent bar Juanfield ?

You also forgot beating liverpool by 3-0 with rvp scoring? away?