This is mental, to not start him is one thing, but not to even have him on the bench?
As for a United bid, lets get real, that's never ever gonna happen.
As for a United bid, lets get real, that's never ever gonna happen.
Jose: Mata has to adapt
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feck... I feel sorry for Mata, but i hope Mou keeps benching him or not using him at all. This Chelsea looks so weak this season. Keep it up!
Mourinho needs to fight with someone.
We don't need him, even if he's available and there's no chance we'll go for him having already turned down a much better player in Ozil.
I think you might have a point. It's in his nature to argue with someone, anyone.Mourinho is such an idiot. He says he doesnt like how Chelsea played in the last few years, that he doesnt want to see defenders (Luiz) playing in midfield. So what was Madrid's tactic each time they played against Barcelona? Mourinho put Pepe in midfield. Brilliant
Mata being a Spaniard helps.
He did that twice in like 16 games against 1 specific team, and never against any other opponent.. Saying he doesn't want to play Luiz in midfield like he did regularly last season is quite simply him giving his view on his current team and plans, so no, he's not an idiot for saying that.
I haven't even noticed a difference in how Chelsea have lined up from last season, it's the same 2 holding midfielders, 3 no.10s interchanging positions between the lines across the field and 1 striker. It's absolutely no different.
He did it every time they played barcelona for years
He did it in the Copa final which they won and then in the first leg of the CL semi 3 seasons ago where he got sent off. As far as I'm aware those are the only 2 occasions, and they played about 6 games a season when he was there.
Mata's cheaper, more versatile and has already fully adapted to the Premier League. And by next summer we'll know whether Kagawa is capable of being a key player for us from a nominal wide role - if he doesn't kick on I wouldn't rule out a move for Mata.
That's different though, isn't it? He played Pepe in there as a man-marker, Chelsea played Luiz there because they wanted him to play like a proper midfielder.
Then you arent aware.
We'd probably play Mata on the left wing or alongside Carrick.
For one reason or another, mourinho clearly dislikes mata.
Before he even started at chelsea we've read reports about him wanting to get rid of mata, mata was brilliant last season and mourinho hasn't even seen him training yet so it didn't make much sense at the time, we all laughed about it, we didn't even believe sources from our own club saying that we've been offered mata in exchange for rooney.
But then the season starts and this happens, it can't be a coincidence, there has be something we don't know about this.
Before he even started at chelsea we've read reports about him wanting to get rid of mata, mata was brilliant last season and mourinho hasn't even seen him training yet so it didn't make much sense at the time, we all laughed about it, we didn't even believe sources from our own club saying that we've been offered mata in exchange for rooney.
But then the season starts and this happens, it can't be a coincidence, there has be something we don't know about this.
I guess the wider point is the one That'sHernandez makes. Playing Mikel in midfield instead of Luiz does not signify some great change in style.
Tin foil hat time - Jose knows he's losing Mata to United in January (swap with Rooney) so he's dropping him to ruin his form/fitness.
Has to be.
Has to be.
Mental stuff. It'd be like Moyes taking over from Fergie and refusing to play RvP.
Why would playing him on the left wing be a strange thing to do when it's something he's done at every team he's played at, for club and country?
That rumour from the summer that we were offered Mata/Luiz + cash for Rooney in the summer is seeming more and more likely.
Any idea when this happened? I've heard summer?
When we were in Australia on tour. Chelsea Immediately came out denying it blaming us for leaking it.
Or you're talking shit as usual. Since they've played 15+ times duirng Mourinho's stint, give some evidence that he played Pepe in midfield even for a third of those games..
He played in most of the games pre-Khedira. That was their change in tactics. I know because I actually watched matches, if you don't know thats on you and I'm not going to spoonfeed you
What do you mean with pre-Khedira? Mourinho signed Khedira in his first season at Real, so pre-Khedira means no Mourinho as manager.
Mourinho's first classico was the 5-0 thrashing and Khedira started with Alonso in midfield.
fecks sakeLet's see how he dresses this one up... I'm the one that needs spoonfeeding apparently
He played there three times in their first season and then just once after that, I think.
You're right, I forgot the league game at the Bernabeu before the CDR final.
Maybe Jose just wants a bit more width than what Mata on the right would provide, they still have a tendency to cluster feck a bit
I'm not a huge fan of playing number 10's out wide at all really.
I'm not a huge fan of playing number 10's out wide at all really.
Simplistic in terms of selection, I believe. First and foremost, I believe that Mourinho has been put off the usage of Mata, primarily because of his time with Özil at Real Madrid. Like Özil, Mata is average defensively and is probably deemed as a "liability", since Mourinho is, after all, a cautious manager. Two games that stand-out that Mourinho was probably pissed about were the Bayern Munich ones. In these games, Xabi Alonso and Khedira were up against Schweinsteiger and Gustavo (on paper, that is). But, in reality, Kroos formed a midfield three and overloaded the centre - Özil was at fault for not helping out. Oscar, on the other hand, represents the "new" breed of #10s, who defend vigorously. His energy and discipline levels are at an impressive level (see his performance vs. Pirlo, for example), and this fits in with Mourinho's style. IMO, Mourinho wants Mata to transform, just in the same way Benzema did when he took over. I can think of another reason why Oscar is better than Mata in Mourinho's system: faster on the counter attack. There is definitely a personal issue embedded too, considering Mata didn't even make the bench today, but I'm not one to believe that this is the ultimate reason for Mata's absence from the first team.
Well thats convenient, you forgot
Plausible rationale - but why not play Mata instead of Hazard?
I think the idea is that they're supposed to be this great counterattacking team with the speed of Hazard and Schurrle out wide. Not sure how the hell De Bruyne fits into that.
And besides, they build up so slowly because Mata is the one who usually finds people breaking free quickly. Chelsea end up camped outside the opponents box trying to figure out a way to try and hurt them instead of actually counter-attacking
And besides, they build up so slowly because Mata is the one who usually finds people breaking free quickly. Chelsea end up camped outside the opponents box trying to figure out a way to try and hurt them instead of actually counter-attacking
Klopp really wanted de Bruyne for Dortmund, so there must be potential for quick counterattacking football in him.
I agree that Oscar's a better fit for that playmaker role under Mourinho and the amount of selfless work he gets through is extremely impressive for a #10 but I think you're getting a bit carried away with this "new breed of #10" business. There will always be players that are so gifted and so influential on the ball that they'll be afforded the luxury of less defensive work than the rest, and these players will often be the playmaker.
Agreed, but I'm not sure Mourinho wants to go through the "Özil process" again because of how poor it went in the big games. Obviously, as you said, they're talented players and can come up with massive assists (Özil to Ronaldo which clinched the league), but in the context of Mourinho's style, he's simple not brave enough to have Mata as a #10. It was weird seeing Özil leave Real Madrid, but it was expected. Under Ancelotti, off the ball, Ronaldo moves centrally, while Özil has to cover the left, which is too much defensive work for him. IMO, Mata can play the inverted winger role brilliantly, but I suppose he needs more confidence... Or he can always leave.
Oh I agree, this quote could easily be aimed at Mata and/or Özil: "A No 10 who was so talented that he makes two or three fantastic actions and people were amazed," Mourinho says dismissively. Although I'm not convinced the coach made the decision to sell Özil myself, that seems like the DoF going over the coach's head as usual at Madrid. Isco can be the better player but with them adding Bale to the side I think Özil would've been better suited to the playmaker's role at Madrid because he's simply more of a provider. Isco has so much talent but he's a little selfish and doesn't have the same vision that Özil has. And it's not like he's any more defensively adept, is he?