José Mourinho | 2018/19 Performances

[JohnnyKills]

Ha ha, oh dear, I’m in the “mate” zone now I see. Nobody (we’ll not me anyway) has suggested this should be run like Pravda and I don’t have the definition of what makes a good or bad fan. I just know it’s depressing being in the Cafe at the moment. I’d just like a bit more reason and balance.

The football was awful is your opinion, and apparently some others too. Fair enough. I didn’t always enjoy it but I didn’t think we got to 2nd spot in the PL and to an FA Cup final being awful. I just think this place now echoes that bastion of journalistic integrity, the Mail. That is depressing!

I used to see the Cafe as a haven from that sort of shite with a bit more balance but apparently everyone knows Mourinho’s state of mind, all his interpersonal relationships at the club, that he has definitely lost his mojo and that everything he’s quoted as saying is gospel, including the titles (which are always extremely “creative” to say the least. Now I’m being told, definitively, we were awful last season. Just awful. Ok but I don’t agree.

All I can say, following on from my other rant, is that I remember enjoying the Atkinson years as a kid, especially when we stormed to the top of the league, until we were overtaken by the dippers in the end. We won the cup with him but ultimately he was moved on. Decent team on the eye but he wasn’t a winner. Cue Fergie. His first couple of years were dreadful. Can you imagine the grief he would have got from the Cafe and social media back in the day. He would never have been given time to create his dynasty. Now I’m not saying that’s what Mourinho is in the middle of doing but you can’t say he’s not either. Surely he deserve a bit of time to get it right? Doesn’t his history buy him a bit of patience from us all?

All fair points and sorry if my first post was a bit too brusque.

I see what you're saying, I don't remember the Atkinson years but I'm reliably informed the football was great.

Think about Fergie is that he essentially did the opposite of what Mourinho's doing. He phased out older players and brought in young ones. Mourinho is marginalising the young lads like Martial and Rashford and shipping in ageing, short-term signings.

Personally I'm completely against this approach. Marginalising young players and bringing in old ones surely has to be the wrong way to go about things. I could at least understand it if the trophies were coming, but we've been miles from the league in both seasons and we didn't trouble the scorers in the CL either.

Mourinho's got a good track record, sure, but so did Wenger. And so did LVG. They all achieved great things in the first halves of their careers and faded away. Hopefully Mourinho can do a Clough and come again, but there's no evidence that's happening so far.

 

[jonas92]

My first post here. I wanted to add my two cents to this Mourinho discussion.

I think we should look at Mourinho's tenure at Madrid, to see where we're heading. Yes, the popular narrative is that his time in Madrid ended badly. But to me that ignores a more salient point. When Mourinho joined Madrid, they hadn't won the Champions League for nearly a decade, and never even threatened to win it. Remember Madrid is a club that values the Champions League above all else. To make things worse, Barca with Pep and Messi were utterly dominant. Madrid was at a low ebb. What Mourinho did is he brought a little bit of "bite" back into Madrid. And even though his actual trophy cabinet there was nothing to write home about, I think subsequent managers were able to build on from that platform. And now they've won 4 UCL in 5 seasons.

I think there are parallels with City under Pep being so dominant, and United at a low ebb. If Mourinho can bring some bite back into the club, and make everyone believe again, I think future managers will be able to build on from there.

 

[ash_86]

Ha ha, oh dear, I’m in the “mate” zone now I see. Nobody (we’ll not me anyway) has suggested this should be run like Pravda and I don’t have the definition of what makes a good or bad fan. I just know it’s depressing being in the Cafe at the moment. I’d just like a bit more reason and balance.

The football was awful is your opinion, and apparently some others too. Fair enough. I didn’t always enjoy it but I didn’t think we got to 2nd spot in the PL and to an FA Cup final being awful. I just think this place now echoes that bastion of journalistic integrity, the Mail. That is depressing!

I used to see the Cafe as a haven from that sort of shite with a bit more balance but apparently everyone knows Mourinho’s state of mind, all his interpersonal relationships at the club, that he has definitely lost his mojo and that everything he’s quoted as saying is gospel, including the titles (which are always extremely “creative” to say the least. Now I’m being told, definitively, we were awful last season. Just awful. Ok but I don’t agree.

All I can say, following on from my other rant, is that I remember enjoying the Atkinson years as a kid, especially when we stormed to the top of the league, until we were overtaken by the dippers in the end. We won the cup with him but ultimately he was moved on. Decent team on the eye but he wasn’t a winner. Cue Fergie. His first couple of years were dreadful. Can you imagine the grief he would have got from the Cafe and social media back in the day. He would never have been given time to create his dynasty. Now I’m not saying that’s what Mourinho is in the middle of doing but you can’t say he’s not either. Surely he deserve a bit of time to get it right? Doesn’t his history buy him a bit of patience from us all?

Good post!

 

[Aloysius's Back 3]

Malcom goes to Barcelona for 41mil euros after predominantly being approached by Roma. Basically peanut money!

A simple transfer that highlights José's inability to be flexible with his tactics.
All these nice names - Malcom, Bale, Pulisic is not going to happen because due to Jose' s tactics - now that he has an Inverted winger in Sanchez - he will 100% need a direct winger like Willian or Perisic on the other side; wprst case Rebic who is pure work rate & no ability.

Absolutely savage manager - how he has alot of fans believing that he is a manager open to new ideas & is willing to improve us by accumulating the best players is absolutely ridiculous.

Our RW will be one of willian, Perisic, Rebic or even Dalot - not because there is nothing else available but because Jose is unable to utilise 2 inverted wingers in the same team as seen through out his managerial career.

Out! No one dislikes him more than me & it makes me proud.

 

[ash_86]

All fair points and sorry if my first post was a bit too brusque.

I see what you're saying, I don't remember the Atkinson years but I'm reliably informed the football was great.

Think about Fergie is that he essentially did the opposite of what Mourinho's doing. He phased out older players and brought in young ones. Mourinho is marginalising the young lads like Martial and Rashford and shipping in ageing, short-term signings.

Personally I'm completely against this approach. Marginalising young players and bringing in old ones surely has to be the wrong way to go about things. I could at least understand it if the trophies were coming, but we've been miles from the league in both seasons and we didn't trouble the scorers in the CL either.

Mourinho's got a good track record, sure, but so did Wenger. And so did LVG. They all achieved great things in the first halves of their careers and faded away. Hopefully Mourinho can do a Clough and come again, but there's no evidence that's happening so far.

This isn't true is it?

Bailly - 24
Pogba - 25
Ibra - 35 replaced by Lukaku 25
Lindelof -24
Mkhi - 29 / replaced by Sanchez -29
Dalot 19
Fred 25
Matic - 29
Grant - 35 ( to get J Pereira (22) some game time on loan)

 

[SteveW]

Ha ha, oh dear, I’m in the “mate” zone now I see. Nobody (we’ll not me anyway) has suggested this should be run like Pravda and I don’t have the definition of what makes a good or bad fan. I just know it’s depressing being in the Cafe at the moment. I’d just like a bit more reason and balance.

The football was awful is your opinion, and apparently some others too. Fair enough. I didn’t always enjoy it but I didn’t think we got to 2nd spot in the PL and to an FA Cup final being awful. I just think this place now echoes that bastion of journalistic integrity, the Mail. That is depressing!

I used to see the Cafe as a haven from that sort of shite with a bit more balance but apparently everyone knows Mourinho’s state of mind, all his interpersonal relationships at the club, that he has definitely lost his mojo and that everything he’s quoted as saying is gospel, including the titles (which are always extremely “creative” to say the least. Now I’m being told, definitively, we were awful last season. Just awful. Ok but I don’t agree.

All I can say, following on from my other rant, is that I remember enjoying the Atkinson years as a kid, especially when we stormed to the top of the league, until we were overtaken by the dippers in the end. We won the cup with him but ultimately he was moved on. Decent team on the eye but he wasn’t a winner. Cue Fergie. His first couple of years were dreadful. Can you imagine the grief he would have got from the Cafe and social media back in the day. He would never have been given time to create his dynasty. Now I’m not saying that’s what Mourinho is in the middle of doing but you can’t say he’s not either. Surely he deserve a bit of time to get it right? Doesn’t his history buy him a bit of patience from us all?

I almost shudder at the thought of a Mourinho dynasty. What would the football be like? Would it even be enjoyable?

I would say to think Jose might be in the middle of building a dynasty seems almost insanely optimistic. Nothing about his approach has ever seemed sustainable. It seems unlikely that he could maintain a stable relationship with a club and it's players for a long enough time to do something like that.

 

[SteveW]

I never do this because it is deeply impolite. But even amidst all this negativity you are by far the biggest cretin around. I can't believe they changed the rules to let any mug post. Basically every single one of your 230 posts has been a whinge about something or the other. And it boggles one's mind how you can't write two successive sentences that follow logically. The above post being case in point.




If there's a ban incoming for me, I'd even welcome it at this stage.

Can't say I've ever noticed that guy before but that post was an absolute mess. I can understand why you'd be annoyed by it.

 

[saivet]

I just saw this on YouTube and thought it was quite good. I 100% agrre with them that the negativity and anger from fans has got out of control.

He brings it on himself by moaning all the time.

It's like spouting heritage nonsense he went on about as if some fans wouldn't be annoyed at that.

 

[whatwha]

Ha ha, oh dear, I’m in the “mate” zone now I see. Nobody (we’ll not me anyway) has suggested this should be run like Pravda and I don’t have the definition of what makes a good or bad fan. I just know it’s depressing being in the Cafe at the moment. I’d just like a bit more reason and balance.

The football was awful is your opinion, and apparently some others too. Fair enough. I didn’t always enjoy it but I didn’t think we got to 2nd spot in the PL and to an FA Cup final being awful. I just think this place now echoes that bastion of journalistic integrity, the Mail. That is depressing!

I used to see the Cafe as a haven from that sort of shite with a bit more balance but apparently everyone knows Mourinho’s state of mind, all his interpersonal relationships at the club, that he has definitely lost his mojo and that everything he’s quoted as saying is gospel, including the titles (which are always extremely “creative” to say the least. Now I’m being told, definitively, we were awful last season. Just awful. Ok but I don’t agree.

All I can say, following on from my other rant, is that I remember enjoying the Atkinson years as a kid, especially when we stormed to the top of the league, until we were overtaken by the dippers in the end. We won the cup with him but ultimately he was moved on. Decent team on the eye but he wasn’t a winner. Cue Fergie. His first couple of years were dreadful. Can you imagine the grief he would have got from the Cafe and social media back in the day. He would never have been given time to create his dynasty. Now I’m not saying that’s what Mourinho is in the middle of doing but you can’t say he’s not either. Surely he deserve a bit of time to get it right? Doesn’t his history buy him a bit of patience from us all?

What is the "mate" zone?

 

[Amir]

And even though his actual trophy cabinet there was nothing to write home about, I think subsequent managers were able to build on from that platform. And now they've won 4 UCL in 5 seasons.

Problem is we've already heard of how Van Gaal's clubs enjoy his work even after he's gone. So now we've got two of them.

If you're a good manager, you'll build a good team and win. Van Gaal couldn't, I doubt Mourinho will. Because neither has done good enough work, for present or future.

 

[Brophs]

We're two years in and I think he'd still argue that he doesn't have 'his' squad. I suspect that, if he leaves this season, for example, both sides will have good cause to be disappointed with the other.

 

[pocco]

Then Chelsea went on to walk the league with Conte, while Real Madrid won the toughest football club competition in the world for 3 times in a row. Mou collapsed badly at both Chelsea and Madrid showed that they can do so much better without him. He is yet to achieve anything of note with Utd both in the Prem or CL. Not sure that players who fell out with Mou are fools. They have won big without him and never ever regretted getting rid of him.

And what happened the following year under Conte? They tailed off yet again and the manager comes under fire and gets the sack. I'd hardly say that's doing "so much better".

 

[EyeInTheSky]

I just saw this on YouTube and thought it was quite good. I 100% agrre with them that the negativity and anger from fans has got out of control.

Howson representing the idiots who label something without actually watching it then throwing his toys out of the pram when he let it slip that he didn’t even watch it al

 

[joleb]

Mourinho finished 2nd last year and didn’t win anything. Of course he’s not happy. Him and the club have been panned by all corners of the media for a good couple of seasons now and most of it is sensationalism or twisting of the truth and yet there’s a majority on here that are complaining and going after the man because he’s not laughing and joking with those prats. Some of you should take a look at yourselves. I wouldn’t be laughing and joking with those d!ck heads either.

None of you (I include myself obviously) have any clue what goes on behind the scenes or how jovial the man is with his players or what he says to them one to one. Nor should you. It’s none of your business. You’re not an employee, you’re supposed to be a fan. Supposed to be anyway....

Some of the football was dull last year but it wasn’t awful. The man has always been a winner. For fecks sake let’s give him some time to get it right before we get the pitchforks out. Some of you have bought into the media claptrap when all of us have to acknowledge he’s improved us from Moyes and LVG’s time here.

Providing we keep improving, he needs our support, the players need our support. All this shite about Klopp and Liverpool and how they’re doing so much better than us makes me want to be sick in my mouth a little....fecking Liverpool. Some of you are on the wind up surely. Klopp may win something with his headless chicken football, which would probably finish me off, but how long do you think the scouse will put up with his oh so pleasing style whilst still not winning anything...another 2 years, 4...?

Sometimes things get worse before they get better. Honestly, if you knew for a fact that Mourinho was only half way through his rebuilding phase but that when he was done, we’d go back to dominating again, would you see it out? I ask because he could be but there’s so many of the know it alls privy to the inner workings of the club and Mourinho’s mental state that you’ve already decided he’s finished and has to go.

I’m surprised/disappointed if this is a fair representation of our fan base. It has become so much more negative on the Cafe than in a dozen Mourinho interviews....

Spot on.

 

[Man of Leisure]

http://www.espn.com/soccer/manchest...s-to-answer-manchester-united-title-questions

Jose getting his excuses in for Leicester already I see.

 

[Red71]

All fair points and sorry if my first post was a bit too brusque.

I see what you're saying, I don't remember the Atkinson years but I'm reliably informed the football was great.

Think about Fergie is that he essentially did the opposite of what Mourinho's doing. He phased out older players and brought in young ones. Mourinho is marginalising the young lads like Martial and Rashford and shipping in ageing, short-term signings.

Personally I'm completely against this approach. Marginalising young players and bringing in old ones surely has to be the wrong way to go about things. I could at least understand it if the trophies were coming, but we've been miles from the league in both seasons and we didn't trouble the scorers in the CL either.

Mourinho's got a good track record, sure, but so did Wenger. And so did LVG. They all achieved great things in the first halves of their careers and faded away. Hopefully Mourinho can do a Clough and come again, but there's no evidence that's happening so far.

Lol, no worries at all. Atkinson was probably all fur coat and no knickers but it was fun while it lasted. I was relatively young after all! Ah those were the days...! The shite years under SAF were all part of the history too (just like wee Davey Moyse ) and I wouldn’t change it because it makes what he subsequently did all the sweeter (SAF not Davey obvs!).

You make fair points and that is my worry too if I’m honest but for now, I just want to see where the ride is going to take us. If he turns it around, how sweet would that be? Everyone would hate it. If not, he’ll be moved on and replaced. It’s just the posters on here going balls deep on him already that gets to me. From outside the club, I get it but the negativity on here is just too much imo....

 

[AaronRedDevil]

I know this is probably a dumb question and has been brought up a million times. But if Jose really does leave next summer. Who do you think it's gonna be? I highly doubt Zidane will join, he basically retired with a legendary status of trophies for RM. perfect manager career. It's probably not going to be conte, or Ancelotti. Is still there any manager out there who's positive and has an attacking football style. Some one who isn't dead inside yet? I just thought of Diego Simone who might be the one crazy enough to take this job. But is there any other managers out there that can breath proper life into the club

 

[Water Melon]

And what happened the following year under Conte? They tailed off yet again and the manager comes under fire and gets the sack. I'd hardly say that's doing "so much better".

They won the league and FA cup, while Conte had troubles with the Board not with the players. Compared to Jose with us Conte did much better. We are miles away from a major title challenge. Lets see what will be Mou's excuse this year, if he fails to perform again.

 

[JohnnyKills]

This isn't true is it?

Bailly - 24
Pogba - 25
Ibra - 35 replaced by Lukaku 25
Lindelof -24
Mkhi - 29 / replaced by Sanchez -29
Dalot 19
Fred 25
Matic - 29
Grant - 35 ( to get J Pereira (22) some game time on loan)

He bought Ibra though didn't he, and put him in ahead of Rashford. Plus Sánchez didn't replace Mkhi in the first team, he replaced Martial. And he has consistently picked young instead of Shaw (Young's obviously done well but Shaw could definitely have had more minutes).

 

[ayushreddevil9]

Jose isn't the problem. People are judging last season purely on the basis of how it concluded. Players had nothing to play for and that was for quite a while. These guys performed well in big games. Its was more like incentive driven performances from them. Jose needs consistency from his players but time to time they let him down with their poor performances right after a good one.

If we get some consistency at the beginning, we might have a good season. Otherwise its hard to comment whether we would end up in ucl places.

 

[Borden]

Jose isn't the problem. People are judging last season purely on the basis of how it concluded. Players had nothing to play for and that was for quite a while. These guys performed well in big games. Its was more like incentive driven performances from them. Jose needs consistency from his players but time to time they let him down with their poor performances right after a good one.

If we get some consistency at the beginning, we might have a good season. Otherwise its hard to comment whether we would end up in ucl places.

Like the biggest games of the season, Sevilla?

 

[ayushreddevil9]

Like the biggest games of the season, Sevilla?

Conveniently ignore all other games like chelsea man city Liverpool, spurs (semi).

People let one game define a season. Brilliant.

 

[Red71]

What is the "mate" zone?

You know, that thing when you’re in a pub and that bloke who’s beered up starts having a pop and next thing he’s giving it the old passive aggressive “mate” this and “mate” that when he clearly doesn’t want to be your mate....

 

[ash_86]

He bought Ibra though didn't he, and put him in ahead of Rashford. Plus Sánchez didn't replace Mkhi in the first team, he replaced Martial. And he has consistently picked young instead of Shaw (Young's obviously done well but Shaw could definitely have had more minutes).

So you would want the manger to go into his first season with a 19yr old playing his first full season? Ibra was free and basically scored a lot of goals. Also Rashford has basically been involved in almost all league games last season and hence got selected for the NT for world cup. How can you question what Jose has done for him? . Martial had a year and half to make his wing his own and failed to do it , which forced Mourinho to bring in Sanchez when he became available. It's his own fault and none others. Are you seriously bringing up shaw deserving more minutes? He's been pathetic with his body conditioning and basically shut down by two consecutive managers.

Did you mention about McTominay? Of course not! He's had a good amount of game time coming in from Academy. What about Lingard? Did anyone think he'd start every WC game for England this time last year? Mourinho had worked wonders for him and has changed his carrier from a bench player to a regular England International. Have some perspective for god sake.

 

[Red71]

I almost shudder at the thought of a Mourinho dynasty. What would the football be like? Would it even be enjoyable?

I would say to think Jose might be in the middle of building a dynasty seems almost insanely optimistic. Nothing about his approach has ever seemed sustainable. It seems unlikely that he could maintain a stable relationship with a club and it's players for a long enough time to do something like that.

Thing is, he’s never been at a club long enough to build a dynasty so we’ve no idea how that would look. Could be cack but honestly, who’s to know? He’s certainly built good, successful sides before and others have arguably gone on to reap the benefits.

Anyway, it would only be called a dynasty if he was successful over the long term so I wouldn’t shudder too much.

I’m curious to see where he’s going with it though because I just cannot believe that the man who put together a number of successful teams can be happy atm either. I say let’s see what he does about it....

 

[Bubz27]

Went out of his way to say there were Sevilla players better than players in the United team that night. Have we sold a single one of those players so far? Nope. Blind only, who didn't play iirc.

So he knows the squad isn't good enough to beat Sevilla. He knows (or thinks) Sevilla have some better players than us.

Hasn't rectified either of those issues this summer.

 

[whatwha]

You know, that thing when you’re in a pub and that bloke who’s beered up starts having a pop and next thing he’s giving it the old passive aggressive “mate” this and “mate” that when he clearly doesn’t want to be your mate....

Uh, no, I've never experienced that. Haven't spent much time in the UK.

 

[bosnian_red]

Conveniently ignore all other games like chelsea man city Liverpool, spurs (semi).

People let one game define a season. Brilliant.

But then flopped in the FA Cup final. So the 2 biggest games of the season, we were really bad. Beat a completely off form Spurs side in the semi but then lost to Chelsea in the one that really mattered.

 

[Red71]

Uh, no, I've never experienced that. Haven't spent much time in the UK.

Lol, you’ve missed out...!

 

[Pyro19]

He's such a miserable git.

Not happy with the preseason, not happy with the transfers, not happy with the quality of his squad blah blah. What the feck is he happy with then?

Both City and Tottenham are in the same situation as us and you don't see either of Pep or Poch moaning like a miserable fecker and making excuses of being at a "disadvantage" even before the season has started.

 

[Jojo <3 Mou]

Went out of his way to say there were Sevilla players better than players in the United team that night. Have we sold a single one of those players so far? Nope. Blind only, who didn't play iirc.

So he knows the squad isn't good enough to beat Sevilla. He knows (or thinks) Sevilla have some better players than us.

Hasn't rectified either of those issues this summer.

Do you thing Mourinho has carte blanche to just go and get who he wants?

He is obviously working within some confines. Which I personally think is smart but at the same time counter-productive. If you hire someone then fail to support then you are preventing their success or at least making it harder.

 

[Bubz27]

Do you thing Mourinho has carte blanche to just go and get who he wants?

He is obviously working within some confines. Which I personally think is smart but at the same time counter-productive. If you hire someone then fail to support then you are preventing their success or at least making it harder.

So you're saying it's Woodward's/the boards fault?

 

[.Rossi]

Went out of his way to say there were Sevilla players better than players in the United team that night. Have we sold a single one of those players so far? Nope. Blind only, who didn't play iirc.

So he knows the squad isn't good enough to beat Sevilla. He knows (or thinks) Sevilla have some better players than us.

Hasn't rectified either of those issues this summer.

Are you seriously suggesting he's not pushing or pushed to rectify that? C'mon man...

 

[Jojo <3 Mou]

He's such a miserable git.

Not happy with the preseason, not happy with the transfers, not happy with the quality of his squad blah blah. What the feck is he happy with then?

Both City and Tottenham are in the same situation as us and you don't see either of Pep or Poch moaning like a miserable fecker and making excuses of being at a "disadvantage" even before the season has started.

Pep has actually spoken about it/complained. You just don't see the media spinning his words.

That's the thing, we all should know by now, that the media don't like Mourinho or at least find it very easy to vilify him. Why are we buying all this rubbish about him. Imagine smiling at people who lie about you daily.

Mourinho is a 20 plus years professional. Don't misinterpret valid fears for disinterest or whining.

Edit: spelling

 

[Jojo <3 Mou]

So you're saying it's Woodward's/the boards fault?

I'm not allocating fault.

United have spent a lot and are wary of spending even more. That's allowed. I believe that Mourinho can do more with this squad but it would be insane to say that we have a perfect squad. So, invest. But when you have invested almost a billion with limited success who wouldn't be cautious.

 

[.Rossi]

He's such a miserable git.

Not happy with the preseason, not happy with the transfers, not happy with the quality of his squad blah blah. What the feck is he happy with then?

Both City and Tottenham are in the same situation as us and you don't see either of Pep or Poch moaning like a miserable fecker and making excuses of being at a "disadvantage" even before the season has started.

Guardiola did moan about it

But, this is Manchester United and Jose Mourinho, the most hated club/manager in the UK....Which do you think is going to generate the most clicks/papers sold/RT's etc?

Pretty certain the perks given to the media by City also influence such artistic use of stories...

 

[Summit]

His attitude is doing my swede in. fecking miserable twat is in one of the post desirable jobs in football, yet he always has this fecking chip on his shoulders.

 

[tomaldinho1]

Malcom goes to Barcelona for 41mil euros after predominantly being approached by Roma. Basically peanut money!

A simple transfer that highlights José's inability to be flexible with his tactics.
All these nice names - Malcom, Bale, Pulisic is not going to happen because due to Jose' s tactics - now that he has an Inverted winger in Sanchez - he will 100% need a direct winger like Willian or Perisic on the other side; wprst case Rebic who is pure work rate & no ability.

Absolutely savage manager - how he has alot of fans believing that he is a manager open to new ideas & is willing to improve us by accumulating the best players is absolutely ridiculous.

Our RW will be one of willian, Perisic, Rebic or even Dalot - not because there is nothing else available but because Jose is unable to utilise 2 inverted wingers in the same team as seen through out his managerial career.

Out! No one dislikes him more than me & it makes me proud.

prime moron

 

[Bubz27]

Are you seriously suggesting he's not pushing or pushed to rectify that? C'mon man...

Fellaini played that night right, and played like dogshite, not for the first time. And Jose fought tooth and nail to keep him.

Not going after starting fullbacks this summer is Jose's call?

How many of our underperforming players have left or seem to be leaving the club? Blind. Darmian? Jones? Rojo? Fellaini?

 

[Womp]

If you're selling out-dated tumescent football, a League Cup and a Europa title over a style of football that has a legitimate shot to win the CL and the league...no thank you. I'm interested in building to the pinnacle. You want to celebrate 2nd over 4th like it's some standout accomplishment when the 4th place team scored more goals and had a better goal difference, when the 4th place team prioritized the CL over the league near the end of the season?? Go ahead...your apologist card is in the mail.

Legitimate shot at winning the PL and CL? Considering he's never won the CL and is notorious for bottling finals and Jose has won two, with two different teams, that doesn't really stick. You can't even say Jose's was long outdated, due to him winning a domestic title more recently than Klopp, going by that logic, it's Klopp who needs to update his pov of football. Madrid as of late have done well in the CL playing a style completely different to the Klopp's.

I don't care what the 4th team did, they came 4th. All this nonsense about how Klopp is going to have us looking up at him soon, completely ignoring he's been at Liverpool longer and if anything, since Jose has arrived, we've won more than you and have finished closer to the top than you. Also let's not talk down the Europa League shall we, it's not the most prestigious trophy but it's yet another trophy that Liverpool have failed miserably in as of late.

Klopp plays more entertaining football and gets more of out attacking players, but suggesting he's going to have us looking up at him, when if anything the evidence is suggesting the contrary is just weird to me. People have been saying that since he's got here and in that time we've progressed ahead of them. Maybe not in terms of style but certainly in terms of results.