The manager acting as if it is the first time he is managing a club after a big tournament. He definitely seems grump(ier) and not really enjoying his work here.
José Mourinho | 2018/19 Performances
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This. Right from the first press conference he has been extremely negative and downbeat. Football shouldn't be a chore but this is what it feels like watching us right now. This transmits to the players and fans and adds to the whole negative atmosphere surrounding the club. Results are not so important in pre season but it's not just a 'training session' either. If we wanted a training session what's the point in going all the way to the US? You still want to see some improvement in our general style of play and test out new things with tactics etc plus at least provide some entertainment for the fans in the US who can't watch us live. So what if you don't have all your players? It's the same for every team. He's making it sound like he's working with league 2 players. You don't see other managers complaining.
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You've a weird way of making your point. I've already given Pereira due credit for being more progressive than everyone around him, just a few posts higher up the page. Here you go...
The only point I was making is that a) his performance wasn't "great" and b) he wasn't our best player. I stand by both those points.
As for the lack of praise thing, is anyone actually surprised? I've made my feelings clear on Mourinho's negativity in multiple threads already, so I can't say I'm surprised at him struggling to get enthused about an (at best) 6/10 performance from someone who is no longer a kid and didn't stand out as being much better than the absolute shower of shite on the other team, most of whom who looked better footballers than our players on the day. And I'm including Pereira in that comparison.
I'm a Jose fan, but he's irked me this pre-season already. Just doesn't seem to be excited at all. Doesn't sound optimistic. Doesn't sound excited being on tour. Doesn't fuel confidence in the team from the fans perspective. Doesn't look bothered.
Just seems to be half-assing it.
Granted, it could be a ploy to get the board to listen to his groans a bit more but it's just not nice to see.
Fergie, Moyes and Van Gaal all showed some charisma when on tour.
Mourinho just makes me think that we're going into the season with no objectives or expectations.
Just seems to be half-assing it.
Granted, it could be a ploy to get the board to listen to his groans a bit more but it's just not nice to see.
Fergie, Moyes and Van Gaal all showed some charisma when on tour.
Mourinho just makes me think that we're going into the season with no objectives or expectations.
I've glanced through this thread I don't get the people who are arguing that people are moaning cos of 2 pre season games. It's not just them 2 games. It's a continuation from last season. In all honesty I'd of been quite happy if he left last year but he didn't so I was hoping there would be a change of attitude and there isn't. He still acts like the world owes him a favour and is ridiculously miserable all the time and that passes down to the fans and surely the players as well. Normally I'm looking forward to a new season but this one I'm really not and it's not just cos of 2 unimportant pre season games.
First season 2(3) trophies , Second season +80 points. What to complain ? Style ? I couldn't careless as long as we get results. There is no need to feel bad so early , stay away from reading media , CAF comments and twitter , it will do you better , those place overreact & hyperbole everything especially when it comes to negative thing , people meltdown here & there and causing people who read it to meltdown as well , it's stupid. Scouser gets all excited in every start of the season only to win feck all for so many years. Be grateful that we aren't them.
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Agree.
Moyes, LvG and Mourinho. 5 years of shit football. With another season of it on the horizon. I know the Fergie years spoilt us but christ, its hard work watching us these days. And to rub it in, City & Liverpool fans get to enjoy every single game.
If we were given a choice: Another season under Jose finishing 2nd-4th playing boring football or the possibility of finishing 5th or 6th with some young, upbeat manager who had us throwing the kitchen sink at opponents week in, week out.... I'd be leaning towards the latter.
You don't hire José Mourinho for those kinds of results. He needs to deliver actual results before anyone who's not a member of his fan club will tolerate his brand of football (and everything else that comes along with him).
This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone: He was always going to split opinions among United's fan base. Those who don't really like him will say “thanks, well done” when and only when he's done what he's famous for. 80 points and some minor trophies won't cut it – and why should it?
Mourinho is hardly the only manager in the world who might conceivably keep us in that sort of territory with the budget we have – and there are multiple others who might also conceivably do it while playing slightly more exciting football.
We looked like a team when we beat Liverpool/Arsenal/Chelsea/City/Spurs withing 2 months last season. The idea we haven't improved under Mourinho is nonsense, when he arrived we had finished 7th/4th and 5th. We're now odds on for top 4 and 2nd favs for the title.
Picking a handful of games out to try and prove a point is nonsense. You judge the season as a whole, and as a whole we played dreadful football.
That's you. That's your prerogative but not everyone feels that way. The general mood around the club and the fanbase isn't great. You can deny it, but it's there. It's not something that merely exists only on the CAF or Twitter; it actually starts with the manager. When his enthusiasm and mood is seemingly so low, it translates over to the general mood of the club and its fanbase.
People are rightly concerned about a lack of direction. A lack of direction in the transfer market and a lack of direction the style of play. There's no plan or identity and that's important. I'm also well aware of the trophies we won 2 seasons ago, but lets be honest here - nobody gives a flying feck about the Carling Cup (or whatever the feck it's called). The Europa League was a decent one, i'll give you that, but it was a good one to win not because of the prestige of the tournament itself, but he fact that we qualified for a much bigger, more prestiges tournament. Again, nobody gave a feck about that tournament before we won it. People actively hated watching us play in it. So let's not get too revisionist.
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You both describe Klopp perfectly .a Cheerleader who won feck all. I am someone who prefer ugly truth rather than sweet lies so i am totally okay & understand the way Jose Mourinho is thinking.
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Right, so you pick a few games out of two years to prove what? That we're capable of beating some great teams. Of course we are, we not completely fecking incompetent. We have great players who are capable of great individual things. I'm not even sure those games you picked are indicative of us being a great, cohesive team either tbh.
Again with the premier league positions. Nobody is saying we haven't moved up the table. Those are incontrovertible facts; anyone can read the Premier League table and see for themselves. Nobody is arguing that. Some people can look beyond that though and not be so bloody myopic.
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Klopp has done a better job at Liverpool than Mourinho has at Manchester United.
That much is obvious.
Nothing surprising from Mourinho. He is who he is after all, a Summer spent working with fringe and youth players is of little value or interest to him. He is about winning in the now, you know this when you employ him, you also know the football is likely to be a god awful watch with occasional flashes of quality shining through the murky gloom.
Football has to be about more than just winning though(for me), which is at the heart of the divide among the fans.
Football has to be about more than just winning though(for me), which is at the heart of the divide among the fans.
And Klopp still has nothing to show for it.
Results wise, we've performed better than them. 2 trophies and 2nd place. Liverpool haven't come close to our points tally of last season.
Won two trophies to be fair. The fact we haven't played that well (including getting 2nd) in doing so is kind of impressive.
Again with the Liverpool comparison. You seem to be the one obsessed with them, not anybody else. I never brought them up yet you feel the need to. What's up with this false dichotomy nonsense. That you either have to be a sullen, self pitying arse, or you have to go around like a "cheerleader" like Klopp "who won feck all." That's the only two options, is it?
You're talking nonsense.
Hand on heart you know that Klopp has done a better job than Jose has since he came here surely.
The whole "Klopp won feck all" thing is so silly. As if football is as black and white as that. We won a league cup and a tinpot European trophy and we're all miserable. Scousers may have have won feck all but they are ecstatic with the direction their team is going.
LVG had Utd top of the league(for a few hours) and the fanbase were desperate for him to be sacked. City/Liverpool, wish people would stop using them as excuses, City and Liverpool spending does not force Utd and Mourinho to play such horrific football and for there to be so little structure to the attacking play.
Well he's made them competitive on the biggest stage, got them to a CL final (which they could have won had Karius not had a nightmare and Salah not gone off injured) and got them playing very exciting football. I'd take that progress over the two tin cups Mourinho has to show for his two years here any day of the week.
In my opinion they're bigger favorites than us to win both the PL and the CL next season.
He hasn't won anything of note at Manchester United. We hired him because he has a track record of winning major trophies. Until he does, he hasn't lived up to the hype.
And I never mentioned either Klopp or his enthusiasm. I don't give a feck about José's mood: He can be as grumpy as he likes if he delivers on the football side.
Until I see Klopp win them a trophy I can't say that.
That's because their fans are used to winning nothing now. One league cup in 13 years is shocking for a club of Liverpool's size. They should've won something under Klopp by now, bottled too many finals.
Agreed - this is what most people hopefully think deep down but for some reason lose control of their scorn when in front of a keyboard.
Mou is and will always be remembered as a world class coach, even if he got us relegated, such is his track record. His style of football is not what we are about but it's also not nearly as bad as most people make out - some games are dreadful to watch but the caf acts like it's 90% of all games.
Long term I don't think anyone foresees him here but I can't think of anyone realistically available who I'd be confident in to replace him. For the first time since SAF I also feel we can beat any of the top 6 & are still able to sign most players in world football.
Well next time Liverpol spank City, or reach another CL final, we can sit back and boast about our Europa league win. That'll wipe the smiles off their stupid faces
If we were challenging for the title and CL then fine, I wouldn't give a toss how well Liverpool played. But quite frankly I'd rather be in their position right now because they look far better equipped to make the leap to title challengers, or heaven forbid, CL winners.
I can't wait for him to go. And as a paying fan I have the right to my opinion.
He could not be less fecked to be United manager. Offers no enthusiasm to fans or players. Is so downbeat and miserable. Plays turd football.
Hope he proves me wrong this season, but he obviously won't
He could not be less fecked to be United manager. Offers no enthusiasm to fans or players. Is so downbeat and miserable. Plays turd football.
Hope he proves me wrong this season, but he obviously won't
There’s a massive meltdown happening this year I can feel it. Results won’t go our way and he’ll blame (and maybe rightly so) a lack of investment in key areas and we’ll see a complete split between him and the board.
Jose’s last season at United this.
Jose’s last season at United this.
I'm not one of the "sack Jose" camp and I also struggle to see who will come in to replace him without needing the same money to improve the squad Jose needs. But I admit that the cloud of negativity with pre-season, the lack of activity in the market and no clarity on whether the board and Jose are working in tandem is very concerning.
I mention it again, one of the main reasons I was happy with his appointment was because I knew he was not a yes-man and the board would have to match his ambition. In a way, it was an insurance of ambition (not in terms of style of play but winning things, creating a winning mentality).
If he ends up being sacked I hope Woodward will go back to finding commercial partners and we hire someone who knows what he's doing in EW current role.
I mention it again, one of the main reasons I was happy with his appointment was because I knew he was not a yes-man and the board would have to match his ambition. In a way, it was an insurance of ambition (not in terms of style of play but winning things, creating a winning mentality).
If he ends up being sacked I hope Woodward will go back to finding commercial partners and we hire someone who knows what he's doing in EW current role.
Or he could break this 'third season' curse and might perform better then last season.
All speculation and as a poster rightfully stated, not a ball kicked yet.
We won against both Pool and City last season and we're still moaning , aren't we?
We all know the selections are shite for preseason. That’s not the point, the point is to build excitement for both the players and fans. Besides, this is a financial endeavour where entertainment is key. Yes Mourinho your first team isn’t here but ffs get over it and ENTERTAIN.
I’m finding it very hard to motivate myself to watch any of Uniteds pre seasons games.
I’m finding it very hard to motivate myself to watch any of Uniteds pre seasons games.
I’ve always supported Jose, but I feel he’s going completely off the rails in the last 6 months or so. For me I remember his time initial period at Chelsea and you could see those players willing to run through a brick wall for him. He needs and craves that loyalty.
For whatever reason he has turned against key players at United, namely Pogba and Martial, and has caused both of them to be keen to leave the club. Pogba of whom is right on the cusp of being a totally dominant player in the game of the next few years.
How has he not decided to build the team around Paul rather than ostracise him and his good friend. Pogba should be his most loyal of compatriots, whom he used to motivate others, some might say that’s his Captain. It seems that it could not be further from the truth.
I’ve always believed that the manager comes first at United, but when I watch us play compared to City, Liverpool and Spurs I can honestly say I’m jealous of them.
Jose needs to change his ways or I fear this truly will be his last few months.
For whatever reason he has turned against key players at United, namely Pogba and Martial, and has caused both of them to be keen to leave the club. Pogba of whom is right on the cusp of being a totally dominant player in the game of the next few years.
How has he not decided to build the team around Paul rather than ostracise him and his good friend. Pogba should be his most loyal of compatriots, whom he used to motivate others, some might say that’s his Captain. It seems that it could not be further from the truth.
I’ve always believed that the manager comes first at United, but when I watch us play compared to City, Liverpool and Spurs I can honestly say I’m jealous of them.
Jose needs to change his ways or I fear this truly will be his last few months.
The problem with this is you seem to believe narratives you read in the media and are extrapolating them into a worst case doom and gloom scenario. For all we know it could be complete nonsense.
You’re right and I could be completely off the mark but one thing we’ve seen especially in the times of social media, where there is smoke there is fire.
Not once has Pogba or Martial come out and said they want to stay the rumours are rubbish. Both have been given ample chances over summer and the World Cup. Martial’s agent has straight out asked for a move and I’d actually be shocked if he was with us to start the season. I neither blame Martial or Jose with that, I can see why they don’t work. Pogba on the other hand seems the prototype Mourinho player and he is the one who signed him, can’t understand their infighting. Jose seems a bundle of negativity at the moment and that’s just from watching him, not what the media is telling me.
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