José Enrique - (Update:Liverpool bound)

Dumpstar said:
5 players that immediately strengthen our squad. For £85m - £50m = £35 million. As I said...
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:lol: oh right...

spending 75 million on Andy Carroll, Stewart Downing and Jordan Henderson doesn't count when you've sold Torres for 50million.

Thats like saying, selling your merc for 50k and paying 75k 5 ford fiesta is good business...

You paid well over the odds for Carroll, Downing, and arguably Henderson (not arguably really).....
 
How is paying £16m for Henderson any different to paying £16m for Jones?
 
M'n'M said:
How is paying £16m for Henderson any different to paying £16m for Jones?
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Henderson has looked extremely average, Jones shows a lot of potential.
 
M'n'M said:
How is paying £16m for Henderson any different to paying £16m for Jones?
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Jones is going to be a far better player. But I guess time will tell us the answer to that, for now, well Jones is 2 years younger.

What about the 35million on Carroll, do you reckon thats good business? Or 20million on Stewart fecking Downing.....
 
Does anyone reckon he'll play for Liverpool this weekend? He's still registered at Newcastle on Fantasy Premier league and at £5m he is an absolute steal for a Liverpool defender.
 
Eyepopper said:
Jones is going to be a far better player. But I guess time will tell us the answer to that, for now, well Jones is 2 years younger.

What about the 35million on Carroll, do you reckon thats good business? Or 20million on Stewart fecking Downing.....
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I guess the Jones v Henderson is all about opinions. I don't know too much about either to be honest. As you say, time will tell.

As for £35m for Carroll I can hardly argue that that isn't excessive but if it gets us where we want to be then nobody will worry about the fee.

As for Downing, we didn't pay £20m but I honestly think he will be brilliant.
 
M'n'M said:
I guess the Jones v Henderson is all about opinions. I don't know too much about either to be honest. As you say, time will tell.

As for £35m for Carroll I can hardly argue that that isn't excessive but if it gets us where we want to be then nobody will worry about the fee.

As for Downing, we didn't pay £20m but I honestly think he will be brilliant.
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I can't find a source that says anything else.
 
Fiskey said:
I can't find a source that says anything else.
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I use this site to check on these things as they are the uber stat geeks of lfc:

Stewart Downing Aston Villa £18,500,000

As you can see on the site, the fee given for Henderson is noted as guesswork due to it being undisclosed, so if they are listing Downing at 18.5m it is likely because that was the disclosed fee.

Tallies with what I've read as well. Sky seem to round to the nearest 5m once it goes about 15, apparently on the assumption that it gets too tricky for their audience beyond that.
 
B9 said:
I use this site to check on these things as they are the uber stat geeks of lfc:

Stewart Downing Aston Villa £18,500,000

As you can see on the site, the fee given for Henderson is noted as guesswork due to it being undisclosed, so if they are listing Downing at 18.5m it is likely because that was the disclosed fee.

Tallies with what I've read as well. Sky seem to round to the nearest 5m once it goes about 15, apparently on the assumption that it gets too tricky for their audience beyond that.
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I suppose there's always the possibility that the people from your website don't know their arses from their elbows.
 
I remember at the time Liverpool fans making a point of saying it was £16m because Ngog was included in the deal, valued at £4m.

Except it never happened.

The funniest thing about that deal was Liverpool fans' outrage that Sunderland used the money to buy O'Shea and Brown off us. :lol:
 
hows this going to work out? its pretty much a whole new side. completely opposite to Rafa as its obviously a team designed for English football rather than Europe...all feels a bit 1990's too. big man, little man..all a bit simplisitc..?
 
Making football simple is one of the most difficult things to do, if Dalglish can translate his message to the players in a way that they can understand fully from the off it allows for fluid football, smart football and allows the players to interpret the game individually, rather than having every little detail prepared by the manager with strict instructions on how to act in every possible situation.

Their football under Dalglish last season wasn't sophisticated but it was fluid, incisive and effective, and I'd imagine that's a refreshing change for Liverpool fans. There's probably an argument that they've gone too far from one end of the scale to the other in terms of going from over-complicated to over-simplistic, but it's a bit early to say given the initial signs under Dalglish have been positive.
 
Dumpstar said:
Why is no one responding to my suggestion to take Torres and Babel's fees out of this calendar year's transfers? Denial? :wenger:
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I think you're in denial that most of that Torres and Babel money has been wasted on Aston Villa level signings.

Personally, I can't think of many better ways that Liverpool could have spent the £60m recouped on Torres and Babel than buying a load of mid-table players for exorbitant fees.

Maybe next year, when you have to sell Suarez and Reina, you can do something better.
 
We'll have other threads to discuss the 'quality' no doubt.

Can we stick to the numbers please. What are they?
 
Dumpstar said:
Why is no one responding to my suggestion to take Torres and Babel's fees out of this calendar year's transfers? Denial? :wenger:
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Because £6m doesn't make a whole lot of difference and even if it was, say £15m, then it wouldn't change the central point that you didn't bring anyone of top class quality aside from maybe Suarez while spending a feckload of money. The fact that you sold Babel (for half his original fee) - a player who Liverpool fans had huge hopes for, a player many outside of Liverpool believed was potentially top class - and replaced him with Downing (for around 3x the price you sold Babel for), and you're delighted about it, just shows where your ambitions currently lie.

And many Liverpool fans have accepted that; you can't be aiming for the best of the best when you're not even in the best competition, never mind competing for the best trophies, so as long as you buy players you can trust to do a job and gradually push you forward then you're happy. You can't expect United fans to look at it that way though, they're going to take the piss because in recent times you've been looking pretty desperate in relative terms, compared to being the kings previously, even compared to just two years ago when you finished within 5 points of us to last summer when you finished over 20 points behind us.

You've went from sitting with the kings to sitting with the commoners. From now until the time that you start showing ambition worthy of title-challengers you're going to be looked down upon, you're going to get constant abuse and really, you're just going to have to take it on the chin...quibbling over something as stupid as this seems a bit pointless, really, you're only dragging out the abuse. Trying to convince United fans to see the big picture about Downing, Carroll, Henderson and co. will take you nowhere, most rival fans just want to pick apart the flaws and take the piss, and this group give a lot of petty ammunition (as Liverpool fans well know and recognise).

Frankly I've no idea why you'd come on here and try and preach about the good things about your club at times like this, or why you'd come on here at all when you're at such a low point when you know the only thing you're going to attract is constant abuse and it'll just drive you mental - see Pete.
 
Aurelio is injured so Enrique is starting.

Brwnd, I understand. But search my posts and I have not hailed any of our signings (except Suarez) as our saviours (tm). All this started because someone falsely spouted £85 million for 5 players and I stated good squad for £35 million.

Took off from there with people saying I was deluded. Lets get the numbers back on track then we'll talk quality (probably in another thread as this is Enrique's).

I realise I'm going to get abused, but I've still not made any invalid points in this thread nor have I wummed (yet ;) )
 
Well, on Enrique I look forward to seeing him in a Liverpool shirt because when I saw him he never looked anything more than decent. Now, £6m's a good price regardless and I'm sure he'll do a solid job but people suggesting him as a potential signing for us earlier suggests he's more than just decent. If he does well you wouldn't put it past him to get into that Spain squad considering the lack of quality.
 
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