Yeah, I don't think he's been bad and is our best option for the role. I just wish Carrick was a few years younger.
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Surprised me, never thought he had it in him. Sooo important for the England team. Puts in a great shift!
I thought he was absolutely dreadful.
Never takes any responsibility when he's under pressure, just hoofs it forward into the air without any aim.
He really doesn't link the midfield/attack very well either, just passes it back to the defence then runs away again.
Never takes any responsibility when he's under pressure, just hoofs it forward into the air without any aim.
He really doesn't link the midfield/attack very well either, just passes it back to the defence then runs away again.
The back-pass, playing it safe king. I wish he would have the guts to play it forwards and take some risk.
He's a solid 6.5/10 player right now. Decent enough for our DM. Our creative players are the real problem, Alli/Lingard created 2 key passes yesterday (out of 12). That's just not good enough.
Henderson is doing ok and his penalty despite being saved was well placed. He just telegraphed where he was putting it which made it easier for Ospina to save.
Henderson is doing ok and his penalty despite being saved was well placed. He just telegraphed where he was putting it which made it easier for Ospina to save.
He was, and Henderson was still playing.
I absolutely detest Henderson but he's done a decent job this tournament. Nothing special and we could sure do with a upgrade on him but from what we've got currently he plays that role the best. Much better than Dier.
I feel the same way - I've never rated him at all as a player but I have to give him credit and say that he has generally performed very well in the tournament and has fully justified his selection.
Yeah I agree and that’s why runners like lingard sterling Alli are ineffective as they have no one to find them
Well done Henderson. I’m not a fan of his, like most of us - but he’s doing his job and he’s crucial to the team. Southgate has built a team, all playing for each other.
A welcome change, the last time we had something similar was in 1996.
After the World Cup has finished we can go back to laughing at his 5 yard sideways passes - but for now I’m right behind him, and pleased he’s doing a good job.
A welcome change, the last time we had something similar was in 1996.
After the World Cup has finished we can go back to laughing at his 5 yard sideways passes - but for now I’m right behind him, and pleased he’s doing a good job.
Just terrible.
So a stat from Talk Sport. Henderson has now won 22 and drawn 6 of his last 28 matches for England. The longest unbeaten run of any player in the history of the English national team.
He is not bad. I dont rate him, but he does the job at a decent level. The issue is Alli, Sterling and Lingard not scoring enough and having problems with creating chances.
Wonder why that is, because perhaps they aren't being fed the ball? Henderson is just a lame duck sitting infront of the defence.
Yes he harries the opposition well when we don't have the ball, but the way Southgate wants to play in the modern build from the back style, he just doesn't fit this team.
We'd genuinely do a better job with Stones as the CDM and Cahill taking his place in defence IMO.
Stones can be a massive liability. After the equaliser, he was terrible. So many bad passes. Dier wasnt great either. Henderson at least has some experience and is keeping it tight. Ideally, Alli should be replaced by someone better on the ball and creative or a top allround midfielder, which England dont have. Prime Gerrard or Lampard would solve the issue.
He had to force the passes as the midfield of Henderson/Dier just completely hid. It was that or lump it.
It's difficult as a defender when you're being told keep calm and hold onto the ball until an available pass happens. If the rest of the team don't help you can be made to look very silly.
I just don't feel that Henderson has the ability on the ball facing our own defence. He can't hold the ball up very well under pressure, he's got no quick turns to make space. His only option is pass sideways to a fullback or back to where it came from, we don't progress like that.
The fact Kane was dropping into midfield to pick the ball up tells you everything.
Henderson got himself booked for silly antics, lost his man Mina to allow him to head the equaliser, disappeared in extra time, and then missed his penalty (but to be fair it was a decent penalty and well saved). Not a great night for him but hopefully its a tough lesson learned he can benefit from.
The fact Kane was dropping into midfield tells you that Alli and Lingard were not doing their job, not Henderson. You talk as if we were playing with 2 wingbacks, 4 forwards and a single Henderson to cover all the rest.
His task was to shield the defense, cover for whoever goes forward, regain possession in the middle and facilitate the ball from deep to whoever of fullbacks/Lingard/Alli opens up. Quite a lot, and he did that allright.
Henderson is doing fine. The difference when Dier came on was very noticeable - he was appalling.
Very very debatable. If you're talking about Fletcher pre 2007 then sure.
While I think Alli was awful also, they shouldn't be having to drop deep to get the ball. there is 4 players behind them who should be passing it forwards into the front 6.
Henderson for me just isn't the right man for the job, he doesn't take enough risks in possession. When pressed he seemed to get scared and just lump it forward which I absolutely hate.
Anyway we can agree to disagree, but there's a reason Klopp preferred Wijnaldum / Can over him.
Darren Fletcher of 2007-2009 shits on this Henderson, I'm sorry.
If people want to pretend he’s good, that’s cool. But he’s atrocious and is mid-table level. I hope England persist with him for years to come.
Completely agree - think he’s had an excellent tournament in a tough role.
Who, the people at your work?
Was thinking about this last night. It's crazy how little competition there is for his place. England have gone from struggling to find a way to play three of the best CMs in Europe into the same team (and Michael Carrick squeezed out entirely) to having someone who is (with all due respect) not fit to lace the boots of Scholes et al, with zero competition for his place. I mean, who else even comes close? Dier has been gash this tournament. Who's next in the pecking order? Wilshere?!
Henderson has done ok but his occasionally wayward passing and tendency to repeatedly hoof the ball aimlessly upfield whenever his team are on the back foot will probably be the difference between England flattering to deceive and being a genuine force in this tournament.
Henderson has done ok but his occasionally wayward passing and tendency to repeatedly hoof the ball aimlessly upfield whenever his team are on the back foot will probably be the difference between England flattering to deceive and being a genuine force in this tournament.
You're right, it says enough that the likes of RLC and Livermore occasionally get playing time at CM for England, wouldn't have happened in a million years during the golden generation. It's one thing having too many great CMs to fit into one team, it's another having no standout CM at all. I think he's done alright though, it also doesn't really help that he has to play a different role in a completely different set-up than he's used to in club football, whereas the likes of Trippier and Alli are used to playing this kind of system.
Swap Modric with Henderson and England would be a shoe-in for the final imo, but then again, every team left could do with a world class midfielder. Russia doesn't really have one since their best midfielder is probably the more attacking Golovin. Sweden doesn't have one either. Uruguay (and Colombia's) midfield is average as well. De Bruyne is world class but still wrongly, or at least under-utilized by Martinez. Every team has problems like that, I fear.
and he could end up with a WC Winners medal - unlike Beckham,Carrick, Gerrard, Lampard ...... scary
if you put Modric in Henderson's position England would get torn apart as you would have no one that has any defensive abilities in CM for them, Henderson isn't there to be flashy or create his job is to screen the defence and recycle the ball
He's the lucky charm.
That’s a good point. This generation does seem to lack Xavi’s and Schweinsteigers. Modric fits the bill but probably belongs more to that same previous generation.
The Serb bloke whose name I can’t remember/spell is supposedly one such player. I wasn’t overly impressed by him at the WC but he seems to be rated very highly. Pogba is another supposedly stellar midfield talent but lacks the nous and general game management you’d want in someone that plays that position. United fans are desperately hoping he develops it some point soon.
Lucky that his teammates bailed him out in the penalty shootout, more like.
I'd play Loftus Cheek along side him with Lingard personally...Just have Loftus Cheek as the one who can push forwards more and Lingard as the link man doing what he actually does quite well, and they drop into a three if the other team manages to get controlled possession. I don't think there is competition or a pecking order as when you look a the alternatives you're getting to just accepting that your team is going to be rubbish as a result of your midfield.
We're trying to use an extra centreback to compensate for not having any adequate midfielders as it is, but the problem is the centrebacks are just passing it sideways to each other and Maguire in particular insists on holding onto the ball to do absolutely sod all for about 30 seconds every single time.
I don't think you lose much (well, anything at all) by taking Sterling out and pushing Alli in behind Kane, which he's used to doing at Spurs anyway, then you can have something resembling a side capable of controlling possession effectively behind that...without losing the ability England currently have to move the ball forwards quickly.
It is difficult though as whoever you play there just isn't good enough, so whatever you do you're trying to build a team that can find a way to compensate.
I still prefer it to Gerrard and Beckham Hollywood passing the ball to the corner flag 500 times a game while Scholes and Lampard waste their time trying to play football. We'd probably have beaten Panama 1-0 with that set up.
Vecino, Torreira, Bentancur hardly average midfielders.
Henderson's impressed me a lot to be honest. He's been very good for England so far in this tournament
Well there you go folks. Swap Henderson for modric and we'd be completely fecked.
Does Torreira even start for Uruguay? I thought he didn't. And Bentancur hardly played for Juve either. They're up and coming and to me, still to be classed as average on an international level. Uruguay's strength lies in defence and attack and hoping their midfield holds up, but it's certainly no Rakitic-Kovacic-Modric midfield that will win you games, let alone Busquets-Iniesta-Xavi or Lahm-Schweinsteiger-Kroos level which were the heartbeat of the last two WC winners.