Man trouble with him is that he thinks through his knees.
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If he's starting in CM for Liverpool they won't win the league, bar landing another Suarez.
Never rated him.
He's a decent generic PL center midfielder but he's far from worldclass. It is what it is.
Watch him turn in a worldie against us now.
Does he excel at anything?
Forget his quality or lack thereof. I don't understand why he's in the running to be named England captain.
I'm not even sure why he's Liverpool's captain. I've never seen any leadership from him and its debatable whether or not he deserves to start for England let alone captain the team, well it should be debatable but it won't be.
As far as Liverpool are concerned, making him their captain might be what holds them back if his form continues to deteriorate but he starts every week because he's captain.
I'm not even sure why he's Liverpool's captain. I've never seen any leadership from him and its debatable whether or not he deserves to start for England let alone captain the team, well it should be debatable but it won't be.
As far as Liverpool are concerned, making him their captain might be what holds them back if his form continues to deteriorate but he starts every week because he's captain.
He was shit in the 1st match against us aswell. Remembr that no-look backpass?
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Wane-be tough-guy and leader without leadership. His competitors are wheelchair and head&shoulders.
Does he know anything about playing in a two man midfield?
England's midfield options have gotten worse and worse over the last 5 years.
Maybe it was him that Souness was refering to ?
In my opinion, slightly above average for current English midfielders, not a patch on the majority of non-English midfielders in the EPL.
In my opinion, slightly above average for current English midfielders, not a patch on the majority of non-English midfielders in the EPL.
Matic will have him on toast.
I say it every time he gets mentioned but nobody will convince me that he's a professional footballer.
And I can't stand the way he kicks a football. It's as bad to watch as Tom Cleverley.
And I can't stand the way he kicks a football. It's as bad to watch as Tom Cleverley.
His best season came when he was playing in front of both Lucas and Allen, and had one Suarez banging them in.
Ever since hes been pulled back to play deeper which highlights how average he is. Unless he has a free role he looks bad, hell even in a "free role" hes still bad. In short, playing him behind a striker is his preferred position but England have better players there. Playing him deeper doesnt give England any control in the middle of the park but Southgate thinks hes better than anyone else. Personally i would like to see Drinkwater (when fit) start more with Dier or even give Wilshere a go.
I don't rate him whatsoever. He's tactically inept, no real talent to speak of apart from stamina, poor under pressure, no vision, plays most his passes square or backwards, weak mentally when behind and lacks any captain qualities. He's truly blessed he's around in an era when England have no decent CMs to pick or he'd never get a game, and just as blessed he's in a Liverpool team also lacking in any genuine quality he has to contend with.
If you had to describe average to a non English speaking football fan, you'd show them Henderson playing.
If you had to describe average to a non English speaking football fan, you'd show them Henderson playing.
He's hard as nails I'll give him that.
I've never been impressed, but then I don't watch him every week. Every Liverpool fan I've spoken to in the flesh (real ones, honest) and the majority I've read on forums don't think he's doing enough to justify his place, let alone the captaincy.
Yes much of the criticism is about his lack of effectiveness in a midfield two and I assume the holding player in a three (though I don't think I've seen this myself).
He's got "passion" and they were trying to make him the next Gerrard. He is nowhere near Gerrard.
His best season for us was actually the one after Suarez. Got 6 goals and 9 assists and had an eye for a defence splitting pass that season fairly consistently. Between the injuries and Klopp playing him as the deepest of our midfielders he's never really recreated that form.
He's their Tom Cleverley in every way. We saw sense to get rid of ours, they made theirs Captain.
He was 'one for the future' when we first bought him who went through a phase of playing well however injuries have put a stop to that and it's generally thought he will never fulfill that potential now, or indeed even return to his previous best form. Should be replaced next season (Keita +1 or 2)
It did. Most thinking fans will tell you we failed to land the title not because of the 'slip' but because Henderson's absence.
He's also a good example of the disconnect between what fans and coaches are seeing in players.
Henderson has never been rated much by the public. Yet he was highly rated as a youngster, has been a mainstay under three different managers for liverpool, has been consistently picked for england under different managers, is liverpool captain and now in the running for england captain. It's been a very steady trajectory really.
I am not saying he is borderline world class and he clearly has limitations. But he obviously brings something to a side that many fans appreciate much less than coaches do.
Think he was quite good in the holding role before his injury last season.
He does a lot of things right. He covers a lot of ground, gets stuck in, has good anticipation off the ball, always offers himself as an outlet - Ticks a lot of the boxes a manager wants in a midfielder.
The problem with him is that he plays more like a bright young midfielder. He's shown in the past he's capable of creating chances with his passing - but hasn't translated that into being able to pass well through the lines with consistency. He has a consistent first touch, but doesn't back himself to take it on the turn or in crowded spaces. He puts in a great shift and tackles decently, but still lacks much of the positional guile for the holding role. And as you would expect from a young midfielder still learning his trade, he doesn't exactly take the game by the scruff of the neck when you need it.
He's 27 though, not 21. I can appreciate that he's still learning the holding position and doing reasonably well there. But ffs, he's been a work in progress since he got here.
He ranks as the player I'd most like to punch in the face in the whole of world football. Every time he sticks his gormless snarling mug into the middle of a situation that has nothing to do with him, I just want to see him get decked.
He's a fraud.
Any he runs weird.
Any he runs weird.
Thought he was shite at Sunderland and still feel the same way, la.
Jordan Henderson isn't as good but, I think there was a similar disconnect regarding Gareth Barry.
The difference is that Barry is a holding midfielder and they get occasionally underrated, because they are rarely flashy. Henderson is a b2b/cm/all-rounder, who has to play frequently as holding midfielder. He can do a job in this role, but lacks the quality to really excel in this position. It's just not his natural role, but klopp refuses to buy a player for this position. So I wouldn't even blame him for being average atm. At his best he is a tidy player.
Sterling for me … sounds like a good idea for a thread though
The Dier/Henderson combination looks too defensive, it's Slovenia at home, why go for such a defensive selection? If Dier is playing Henderson needs to take it upon himself to carry the ball forward and look for a progressive pass. Leave Dier to screen the CB's and cut off passing lanes in the event of a turnover/quick counter as that is his speciality as a DM.
Or play either Dier or Henderson in that holding midfielder role and play someone with some more dynamism in midfield. It's nil all at home with 5mins to go and Southgate leaves Dier/Henderson midfield combination? Im surprised he didnt give Winks a shot for the last 10mins or so, a bit more offensive in his play.
Or play either Dier or Henderson in that holding midfielder role and play someone with some more dynamism in midfield. It's nil all at home with 5mins to go and Southgate leaves Dier/Henderson midfield combination? Im surprised he didnt give Winks a shot for the last 10mins or so, a bit more offensive in his play.
neither look good in a 2 man midfield. Neither are really cut out for anything more than carrying water for a proper midfield general. It's a horrible combo.
Not good enough to be captain of Liverpool, current or past teams. Offers the odd moment of match winning quality but in between 10-15 games of being a kind of slightly polished Darren Fletcher. The kind of player you play as the third midfielder of the three because the other two are good enough to have specific roles.
Probably good enough to play for England by virtue of England not having any midfielders who aren't rubbish.
He was useless last night but I genuinely can't think of anyone who could have played instead of him and not been.
Probably good enough to play for England by virtue of England not having any midfielders who aren't rubbish.
He was useless last night but I genuinely can't think of anyone who could have played instead of him and not been.
He's hard as nails I'll give him that.
So much cringe. I'd loved to have seen Costa knock him out.He is a prime example of what mediocrity looks like. An average footballer who is hyped by his fans like he is the second coming of Zidane. It's very funny how I vividly remember Liverpool fans thinking he could be another Gerrard esque figure for them.
Unless you either really hate apples or oranges, and enjoy the other one, that’s not saying much HJ!
But yeah. The drop in quality in England’s midfield is huge. Maybe the best duo would be Dier — Lallana?
He runs like he's cacked his pants.
English players a all pace and hard-running but poor technical ability and thats what makes the team so boring. Wilshere and Lallana are the only current english players I can think of(Stones too) that combines both, and the sooner they get back, the better.
I have never met anyone who even remotely compared him to Gerrard. I think you are making this up.