Jordan Henderson | New Athletic Interview: I strongly believe that me playing in Saudi Arabia is a positive thing

I think his future was already extremely secure to be honest. Is it not possible that this is an act of greed?
Of course it is, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. Why wouldn't someone want to earn that much money? I'd say its different to someone touting themselves around for a pay rise, he's been presented with a fantastic financial offer and agreed to it (apparently). If that makes him greedy, then fair play to the fella.
 
A footballer that’s chose money over morals…….nah it can’t be.
 
This should be a wake up call to everyone on here that the vast majority of famous figures and companies actually don't care about LGBT rights and only about their paychecks.
 
Done what he needed to in the past to get praise and be called a ‘good guy’, then goes and shows his true colours.
 
Incredible how quickly he’s destroyed his legacy amongst the fans. Surreal exit, out out the side door with no fanfare. Good deal for the club at least I suppose.
Online rage merchant fans or actual fans? I work with a Liverpool fan and his response to him going was along the lines of; "Can you blame him? Crazy money."

Captained you to a league title and Champions League win. It might not be pleasant but that's what most fans will remember rather than him turning his back on LGBT+ fans.
 
Absolutely horrendous from him. He should be thoroughly ashamed.
Why?

By far his most important obligation is to take care of himself and his family. Playing football in SA isn’t illegal or a death sin. I’m 100% behind him and other elder players who has the opportunity to make easy money at the end of their careers. It’s not their job to act like moral saints just to please unsuccessful internet activists who spend most of their time complaining about everything and nothing.
 
Incredible how quickly he’s destroyed his legacy amongst the fans. Surreal exit, out out the side door with no fanfare. Good deal for the club at least I suppose.
Destroyed his legacy? Possibly a little far?
 
Why?

By far his most important obligation is to take care of himself and his family. Playing football in SA isn’t illegal or a death sin. I’m 100% behind him and other elder players who has the opportunity to make easy money at the end of their careers. It’s not their job to act like moral saints just to please unsuccessful internet activists who spend most of their time complaining about everything and nothing.
if you are going to take a public stance moralising to others you are held to a higher standard, championing Gay rights then going to play in a country where being Gay is illegal is shameful but honestly I don't know if I'd be able to turn down that kind of money for a couple of years either
 
Why?

By far his most important obligation is to take care of himself and his family. Playing football in SA isn’t illegal or a death sin. I’m 100% behind him and other elder players who has the opportunity to make easy money at the end of their careers. It’s not their job to act like moral saints just to please unsuccessful internet activists who spend most of their time complaining about everything and nothing.

Has he not been paid enough down the years by Liverpool to be able to do this several times over already?
 
I think the most hilarious aspect of this is that it's two Liverpool players going there. From a city and club that pride itself on it's "progressive" views. Hilarious!
 
Unless anyone can show a quote that he states he would never go and play in SA then I don't get all the angst and outrage. It's a financial decision first and foremost.
 
No respect for anyone who takes bloodmoney. Especially, when they're already very wealthy.
 
Why?

By far his most important obligation is to take care of himself and his family. Playing football in SA isn’t illegal or a death sin. I’m 100% behind him and other elder players who has the opportunity to make easy money at the end of their careers. It’s not their job to act like moral saints just to please unsuccessful internet activists who spend most of their time complaining about everything and nothing.

I would argue that to take care of your family means more than just financial incentives. It means showing them what is right and wrong and profiteering from the abhorrent treatment of others and the systemic abuse of women and LGBT individuals is wrong.
 
Yes? And that creates news and talk, which is good. Does he? Probably not, but he could
And nothing will change, he's a footballer not a politician or political agent. Saudi Arabia is already on a modernisation path, their new king has been radical in some areas. It's not much to us in the West, but for this country it is. It's not the same place it was ten years ago, and it won't be the same ten or twenty years hence.
 
I would argue that to take care of your family means more than just financial incentives. It means showing them what is right and wrong and profiteering from the abhorrent treatment of others and the systemic abuse of women and LGBT individuals is wrong.
Would you like to explain how he is profiteering from the mistreatment and systemic abuse of others?
 
I would argue that to take care of your family means more than just financial incentives. It means showing them what is right and wrong and profiteering from the abhorrent treatment of others and the systemic abuse of women and LGBT individuals is wrong.

Everyone can at least understand the pull of making that much money at the end of what is a short career. That said, I get a bit irked about players saying they are going to Saudi because they need to support their families. I'm not familiar with his wages at Liverpool, but you have to figure unless he has gambled a lot of his money he has probably socked away and invested enough that he never has to work again and his family is fully supported. Of course, most rich people always want more.

I'm assuming living there for the players will be like what rich people experienced during lockdown. They will be insulated and locked down but will have every comfort and amenity and will travel between Saudi and Europe often.
 
I think the most hilarious aspect of this is that it's two Liverpool players going there. From a city and club that pride itself on it's "progressive" views. Hilarious!

Add in their beloved Stevie G and there are quite a few Liverpool fans feeling betrayed right now. YAWN is going to be synonymous with the Saudi League at this rate as they are already flaunting the Liverpool crest all over their media.
 
I’m curious as to why Jamie Carragher hasn’t voiced a strong opinion against Henderson and Gerrard selling out to Saudi Arabia. Wasn’t he the one who was calling for an investigation to be conducted when the Saudis signed a few Chelsea players, why’s he now gone quiet? Can any Liverpool fans on here shed and light on this?
 
I’m curious as to why Jamie Carragher hasn’t voiced a strong opinion against Henderson and Gerrard selling out to Saudi Arabia. Wasn’t he the one who was calling for an investigation to be conducted when the Saudis signed a few Chelsea players, why’s he now gone quiet? Can any Liverpool fans on here shed and light on this?
It's not just him, there were conspiracy theorists even on here that have suddenly gone quiet.

Apparently £16m for someone who was a top 5 (at worst top 10) keeper in the world a mere 18 months ago was a massive money laundering scheme :lol:
 
It's not just him, there were conspiracy theorists even on here that have suddenly gone quiet.

Apparently £16m for someone who was a top 5 (at worst top 10) keeper in the world a mere 18 months ago was a massive money laundering scheme :lol:

To be fair, I don’t think it was that that made people curious. It was the fact that Mendy, Koulibaly, Ziyech, Aubameyang and Lukaku were all linked, and only didn’t happen because players didn’t fancy it/wage offers were reduced.

As far as the clubs go, 5 names would have been a suspicious number from one club, and those deals would have been done had the players wanted them.
 
My oil sheikh brings all the boys to the yard,
And he's like, "I'm better than ya'll"
We're like, "he's not better than ya'll"
You can take Hendo, but we'll have to charge!
 
Unless he said nobody should play in countries that discriminate against the LGBTQ community he's not a hypocrite. He simply doesn't fit your definition of an ally. This is such a nothing burger.


Unless anyone can show a quote that he states he would never go and play in SA then I don't get all the angst and outrage. It's a financial decision first and foremost.

@glasgow 21 posted Henderson’s quote about Qatar on the last page, and Saudi Arabia is significantly worse in these areas than Qatar is.

Henderson in 25 Mar 2022 described Qatar’s record of human rights abuses as “shocking, disappointing and horrendous” “When we were given the briefing, which was really important, it was quite shocking and disappointing,” said the Liverpool captain, It’s horrendous really when you look at some of the issues that are currently happening and have been happening over there. As a team (England) we’re just sort of digesting that, coming up with ideas of what we want to do going forward because it’s an opportunity to maybe shine a light on the issues and use our platforms to make change for the better

To add on to Glasgow’s post, this is another quote by Henderson


But I do believe when you see something that is clearly wrong and makes another human being feel excluded you should stand shoulder-to-shoulder with them. You also have a responsibility to educate yourself better around the challenges they experience.

That’s where my own position on homophobia in football is rooted. Before I’m a footballer, I’m a parent, a husband, a son, a brother and a friend to the people in my life who matter so much to me. The idea that any of them would feel excluded from playing or attending a football match, simply for being and identifying as who they are, blows my mind.

The idea they’d have to hide from it to be accepted? But that’s exactly how too many members of the LGBT+ community feel. We know this because they tell us. So we should listen, support them and work to make it better.

MackRobinson, you and a few others were questioning how this move makes Henderson a hypocrite, but it’s blindingly obvious isn’t it? If someone wants to say it’s a lot of money I don’t blame him then fine (as long as they don’t argue that anyone would), but I don’t really understand why some people feel the need to argue he’s not a hypocrite. You have a quote there from Henderson stating that the fact that people have to hide who they are, and are excluded from certain aspects of life because of homophobia blows his mind. He says he will stand shoulder to shoulder with them, listen to them and support them. And now he’s gone to make money in a country where it is literally illegal to be gay.

If you can explain to me how he’s not a hypocrite Mack, that’d be one hell of a something burger.
 
Add in their beloved Stevie G and there are quite a few Liverpool fans feeling betrayed right now. YAWN is going to be synonymous with the Saudi League at this rate as they are already flaunting the Liverpool crest all over their media.
You love to see it!
 
I do think there is something off in our society's way of tackling imperfection.

Henderson, having in the past attempted to do something good, has now opened himself to far more criticism than any of the other footballers going to Saudi who have not made such attempts.

If you are not a saint all the way, you're basically a better person for not doing anything at all in modern society.
 
I do think there is something off in our society's way of tackling imperfection.

Henderson, having in the past attempted to do something good, has now opened himself to far more criticism than any of the other footballers going to Saudi who have not made such attempts.

If you are not a saint all the way, you're basically a better person for not doing anything at all in modern society.
Think it's more a case of practice what you preach, and stop being fake.

I see instances of it all over social media. Even a professional network like linkedin it's rife. People preach and pretend to be this or that, but it's completely fake and all done for attention and self promotion.

If you say you strongly support something but then do something that strongly opposes that thing you stated to support, clearly the original motivation wasn't entirely genuine. It's just more fakery and attention seeking
 
I do think there is something off in our society's way of tackling imperfection.

Henderson, having in the past attempted to do something good, has now opened himself to far more criticism than any of the other footballers going to Saudi who have not made such attempts.

If you are not a saint all the way, you're basically a better person for not doing anything at all in modern society.

Yeah thats a fair point, but I guess the perception also has something to do with where your journey ends and whether you already made it for a lifetime including providing for your family. Its the same with Beckham for me.

Annual salary over 7m at Liverpool according to a quick google search.

People will always go for more. Its human nature to be greedy/egoistic. And I doubt he’s different than all other footballers with little education and little understanding of the bigger lines in World politics/human right issues/has any big things he stands up for.

To me, from his on field antics I never had two thoughts of what he was really like. I’d say the quotes about Qatar human rights is more surprising to me than him moving to Saudi Arabia. Always thought he was quite the cnut, even when he was not in a Liverpool shirt.