Bit much hyperbole. It's not like Klopp is the only one who understands Henderson
Jordan Henderson | New Athletic Interview: I strongly believe that me playing in Saudi Arabia is a positive thing
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Bit much hyperbole. It's not like Klopp is the only one who understands Henderson
No skill at all , zero control of the ball, too predictable in his passing A non professional player can do better
He wouldn’t have reached the levels he has without Klopp. He had moments under Rodgers but Henderson under Klopp has gone up a few levels.
Imagine him at United, playing in the McFrenderson.
Good point. Because Holland’s Wijnaldum is better than Liverpool’s Wijnaldum was. See if he can match his international form at club level at last.
£700k/w.
Interested to hear our resident scousers thoughts on this move. It seems many Liverpool fans feel like Henderson has sold out and ruined his legacy.
Hearing Scouse and Geordie in Arabic should be fun.
Tbh I don't see what's the big uproar. I look at it purely in the same way as previous players who left football relevance in their 30s for a last big pay day to play casual football. It's basically getting paid a feck ton to retire.
People looking to get the boot in for cheap.
He's clearly passed it, so yeah, why not.
Assuming Thiago goes too, we could be looking at seven midfield departures in one summer, basically all our non-u21 midfielders. That's mad.
Also wouldn't be unwelcome. Two more in would do it for midfield really.
Also wouldn't be unwelcome. Two more in would do it for midfield really.
Yeah like I don't necessarily agree with those people trying to make it out to be an anti LGBT move. He can have his same morals wherever he lives, whoever pays him. His choice to bring himself and his family there if they follow him. This is just a footballer playing football in that country, it's not the same thing at all as that country owning Liverpool or United or whatever.
I agree with you on that, but the uproar (from Liverpool fans at the least) is primarily because of his past comments.
https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/jordan-henderson-voices-support-rainbow-laces-campaign
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Interesting. I thought they'd be delighted to get rid.
Have a feeling if it was one of ours whose past it and chasing the oil money, the caf would be ok with it.
Have a feeling if it was one of ours whose past it and chasing the oil money, the caf would be ok with it.
Yeah I should clarify that I get why people are in uproar, but I disagree with it. Don't think it's the same issue as a country buying a football club here, at all. This is essentially just them doing things in their own leagues and trying to get talent. Fair enough. Can't just as a basis hate on any and all things Saudi/Qatar/Dubai, they aren't evil. If someone wants to go visit one of those, live there, play basically retirement football there while getting paid a shit ton, go for it. Doesn't mean they are going back on their morals imo.
More than anything I'm surprised that so many players don't actually care about where they live in terms of how nice it actually is there. So many just going to a desert basically? Especially at the point where some of them have children in early school days to bring them to a drastically worse schooling system, living situation, etc. Ronaldo even is technically living illegally with his girlfriend. I just don't get why you'd want to live there from that perspective when you can get paid a shit ton elsewhere too, because at some point your family life surely trumps cash?
It’s because they suddenly have a massive turnover of players with all of their called mentality monsters being whittled down to 3/4 players. Their 11 needs work but now whey need to plough money into midfield just to keep the numbers up
He did.
We already had that with Ronaldo.
He wanted to leave though, and refused to attend preseason. I was thinking of a similar situation with someone reasonably popular, someone like Tony Valencia, if he had spoken out against them before and then did a u-turn.
Both things can be true. We are very happy to get his high salary off our books and bring the reality of Tchoumani closer to happening. But...
Not sell LFC legacy for blood money. Because the Saudis will exploit LFC image, they already have with Gerrard. Sickening.
And he was a great example and ambassador for LGTBQI+ inclusion which he has negated now. You simply can’t be both imo. And he doesn’t get the send-off he’d deserve based on his service for the club. Disappointing in all aspects of the move.
Klopp will be absolutely delighted. Their biggest problem last season was that Henderson/Thiago/Fabinho were no longer up to task. He would have been wishing on a star just to be able to cancel their contracts and have that wage money for younger legs.
As it stands, they are going to be able to bluff their way to big fees for done players and get money to bring in the likes of Lavia.
Guy is multiplying his weekly net salary by 7. You can’t compete with that.
Well no, not really - surely you see the hypocrisy in it?
Surely southgate will stop picking him for england but this is the same person that picks Maguire despite sitting on the bench for most of the season
Is there anything stopping him from having the same opinion as before? He plays football then goes home. He's not a political figure. Did he ever stand up and say he will lead LGBTQ rights? Or was he just supporting and had a few statements that people liked? Will him playing there means he is no longer allowed to say he supports the cause?
I get it, people are upset because they thought he'd be some big leader for the cause. But ultimately, moral/opinion wise, he can have the same opinions as he ever does. From his personal POV, he's retiring from elite level football and getting a big pay day to play casually over there. That's about it. His decision to live where he wants, doesn't mean it affects his opinion. It doesn't make you anti LGBTQ if you live somewhere, and as a result are then paid by someone.
Just like if Qatar takes over United, it doesn't make us anti LGBTQ if we still support the club the same as before. I'd prefer they don't take over, but it's not changing my support as I don't need to support the causes of my club/company/employer. And just like I have my own opinions/beliefs that everyone should be free to do as they like, it doesn't mean that I'm gonna actively go to LGBTQ freedom rallies. You can have an opinion without having to protest for it every day of your life.
Has he actually come out and said he's going, or have his representatives?
We don't have any control over the future ownership of the club. A millionaire has total control over where he chooses to ply his trade so your comparison makes no sense.
No need for an uproar, just acceptance of the fact that none of the pro LGBTQ+ posturing he has shrouded himself in over the past couple of years was genuine, just simply good PR and not reflective of his actual beliefs. If he believed a fraction of what he said then no salary on earth could tempt him to play there.
So the country you work in has to have a spotless human rights record? The world is going insane.
This is a bit long-winded, but @Gandalf has responded more eloquently - he's a hypocrite and it highlights his previous stances on this matter were mainly for PR.
See this is the complete bs that I'm arguing against. Someone choosing to go live somewhere or play football doesn't mean he doesn't believe in what he said! Come on people. It is not the same thing, it is not contradictory. Just because "he has money" doesn't mean you or I or anybody else knows or can say what is enough for him, or what he plans to do. It's literally not connected to his personal beliefs, which are his personal beliefs whether he lives in Saudi or in England.
Is somebody supposed to all hate Saudi/middle east or islamic even just because they support LGBTQ rights? Come on. A country having bad laws doesn't mean the people are all bad. It doesn't mean whoever works there automatically buy into their beliefs. It's literally just people going for a pay day. Stop making it more than that.
Or alternatively, trying to make sure your employer isn't a State that actively persecutes those minorities (I'm not exactly aware of the ownership of that club but they're pretty much all State emanations one way or another due to their ownership structures) is not such a high standard, in my mind.
Man, if Liverpool fans are upset about this, wait until they hear about Gerrard...
That is a spectacularly disingenuous take.
When you have made yourself into an Ally of a specific group and essentially utilized that to build your brand and happily accepted all of the acclaim and plaudits from fans and media alike for your progressive stance, it is absolutely a shitheel move to freely choose to take a bag of cash from a regime that has an appalling record for persecuting that same group. It is even more contemptible because he is not some poor migrant worker forced to take a job in a country that is killing and persecuting the people he is allied with, he is a multi millionaire who can work anywhere in the world but has prioritized a bigger bag of cash over his much celebrated principles.
On a different note, Henderson leaving, Fabinho going with him, Thiago possibly on his way to Barcelona, Oxlade released. Do they have a single midfielder left?
The RAWK meltdown thread is going to be great this season.
The RAWK meltdown thread is going to be great this season.