He wasn't great but I didn't get him coming off, when Jones was so abhorrently shit.
Jonny Evans - What do we think?
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His positioning really worried me. Jones lost his aerial battles often, but Evans was just leaving Naismith to do whatever he wanted by sort of trying to get involved in the Lukaku tangle but not.
His confidence in bringing the ball out of the back is his strong point. If we could take Jones' enthusiasm, Smalling's defending and Evans' ball-playing we'd have a class centre-half.
His confidence in bringing the ball out of the back is his strong point. If we could take Jones' enthusiasm, Smalling's defending and Evans' ball-playing we'd have a class centre-half.
What has happened to Jonny Evans? Was a time when I was pretty sure he was Rio's natural successor but he's really regressed. Seems unsure of himself in possession and has reverted to hoofing clearances instead of looking for a useful pass. Pity that.
That was up there with the worst defensive performance I've ever seen from both him and Jones. They actually managed to do absolutely nothing right. Terrible positioning, leaving their men open and unmarked, not winning headers. Just pure shite from them. Both are better then that but with Evans I'm not sure if he'll ever be good enough to be first choice here. He's just prone to feck ups like today, injury prone as well so he can't get the consistent run he needs.
I don't get what they did wrong.
Buttner not understanding the offside rule cost us.
The midfield not tracking back at all cost us (Kagawa was downright lazy at times)
Moyes not remembering that Coleman and Baines existed and playing two inside 'wide' players, and Smalling an Buttner at fullbacks cost us.
I'd say the odds were fairly stacked against them to judge their performance too harshly.
Buttner not understanding the offside rule cost us.
The midfield not tracking back at all cost us (Kagawa was downright lazy at times)
Moyes not remembering that Coleman and Baines existed and playing two inside 'wide' players, and Smalling an Buttner at fullbacks cost us.
I'd say the odds were fairly stacked against them to judge their performance too harshly.
We need a class CB who stays fit long enough to not only do a job but who we can depend and rely on. Evans is not it. He's a great backup to have.
Back-up? Utter nonsense. He's currently the best CB we have have at the moment and if we buy Hummels or whomever Evans would be without a doubt the 2nd CB in that pair. Evans is a top quality CB and it frustrates me when people underrate him because he's been one of our best and most consistent CB the past 3 years.
Well said.
You're right though, I reckon a new signing alongside Smalling or Jones is what we need, they never get injured and have constantly shown that they are better than Evans
Why oh why is a Evans so underrated, he's been our best CB for some time now, hopefully he has an injury free season, I've no doubt he will be first choice CB.
You're right though, I reckon a new signing alongside Smalling or Jones is what we need, they never get injured and have constantly shown that they are better than Evans
Why oh why is a Evans so underrated, he's been our best CB for some time now, hopefully he has an injury free season, I've no doubt he will be first choice CB.
Personally I think he's currently the most overrated on the Caf.
You're right though, I reckon a new signing alongside Smalling or Jones is what we need, they never get injured and have constantly shown that they are better than Evans
Why oh why is a Evans so underrated, he's been our best CB for some time now, hopefully he has an injury free season, I've no doubt he will be first choice CB.
How hard is it to be the best CB when your competition has been two aging, declining CBs and two younger CB who haven't been given enough game time in their natural positions? Even still, Evans failed to usurp the old guard from their starting places when fit. Im not saying Evans is a bad player, im saying he is not reliable.
Evans is not fit long enough to hold down a first team spot. In the 10 big games last season (Liverpool, Chelsea, Manchester City, Arsenal in the league and Bayern in the CL) Evans only played 90 full minutes against Arsenal (1-0 win) and he was on the bench for the 4-1 away loss to City with off form Vidic and Rio starting and playing 90 mins. He missed the rest because of injury.
He's not going to walk into LVG's team. We need to buy a class CB who's ready to come in, do a job and provide some reliability. You need to look beyond his performances and realize he's not there when we really need him. Its probably a harsh reality for you guys to accept.
We've got a player who Frank de boer rates, the same Frank de Boer that people wanted to assist LVG and subsequently take over after him, the same Frank de Boer who is a follower of LVG's philosophy. And some say Evans is not good enough.
His injury record is a concern. I understand if some might be apprehensive due to this fact. But to say he won't fit in LVG's team is so wrong.
His injury record is a concern. I understand if some might be apprehensive due to this fact. But to say he won't fit in LVG's team is so wrong.
He's our best CB and has been for a couple of seasons to be honest.
He'll fit in very nicely with LvG's philosophy since he's very good at playing the ball out from the back. I think LvG can elevate him to a really high level.
He'll fit in very nicely with LvG's philosophy since he's very good at playing the ball out from the back. I think LvG can elevate him to a really high level.
I think he is ready to step up, he has got lots of experience just needs to stay fit.
I love him, laugh as much as you want but, I think he was the world's best defender the season we won the double.
Yeah but everyone ignores your opinion
Really good player, excellent on the ball just needs games to make him more defensively consistent.
The problem now is we can't rely on him to stay fit.
He has a concentration problem just like Luiz, all the attributes to be top top class but sometimes the mistakes he makes are sooo silly.
Was a good back-up for Rio and Vidic but never considered him a first choice option. Now he is injury prone.
As an Irishman, people will automatically assume that I'm generally biased toward my own countrymen - I'm not. With regard to Evans, we have a player that while problematic at times (meaning lapses of concentration), he still offers more than enough to merit his place in our side. As a starter - I do not know. I'm more inclined to press toward a CB partnership of Jones and a summer signing.
Evans is a player that I do admire and while he is vastly experienced, his experience has been playing second fiddle to Vida and Rio. Can Evans step up to the mantle and assume the lead role in a CB partnership? feck knows. He did an extremely good job when required -- during the height of our defensive injuries.
All of the above may be irrelevant anyways. LVG may very well employ a 352 to United's game. In that sense, I maintain Evans, Jones and Smalling could operate a back three more than capably. Moving forward in a back two, I worry.
Evans is a player that I do admire and while he is vastly experienced, his experience has been playing second fiddle to Vida and Rio. Can Evans step up to the mantle and assume the lead role in a CB partnership? feck knows. He did an extremely good job when required -- during the height of our defensive injuries.
All of the above may be irrelevant anyways. LVG may very well employ a 352 to United's game. In that sense, I maintain Evans, Jones and Smalling could operate a back three more than capably. Moving forward in a back two, I worry.
currently our best CB,
but he is the kind of player who really suffers from been rotated as we sore last season
but he is the kind of player who really suffers from been rotated as we sore last season
I feel safe whenever I see him in starting line-up, something I can't say about Jones for example.
He was prone to concentraction lapses, but he got rid of that and for me he's by far best CB we have at United.
Strong enough, has good positioning, very good with the ball and great passing range and he's not afraid of putting tackle against striker.
Would really like to see Smalling-Evans given chance if we don't sign new CB, but in case we do sign new CB it would be (insert name)-Evans as centar pairing.
He was prone to concentraction lapses, but he got rid of that and for me he's by far best CB we have at United.
Strong enough, has good positioning, very good with the ball and great passing range and he's not afraid of putting tackle against striker.
Would really like to see Smalling-Evans given chance if we don't sign new CB, but in case we do sign new CB it would be (insert name)-Evans as centar pairing.
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I don't think there's any doubt that he's a great CB. Has been our best CB for the past few seasons and will definitely fit into Van Gaal's philosophy very well. We just need him to stay fit.
I think all the young central defenders deserve a chance to show what they can do behind a fully functioning midfield,Evans has least to prove and I reckon he can really prosper under LVG.
i don't think the young Dutch lads that we are being linked with are any better than what we have already
The whole thing can be said about RvP as well for last season. Sure you feel we should not consider him our star striker as well.
I don't think anyone is expecting them to be sold, but we need to bring in someone. I'd like Smalling to get a chance regularly at CB as a pure defender his better than Evans and Jones, just needs to work on his distribution but if we bring in another midfielder who isn't afraid of collecting the ball deep he will get better.
Currently our best CB. Would like to see him and Smalling as a regular partnership. Jones would get his time as well but currently Jones and Evans would be kind of light weight at the back. Need someone with more height and authority like Smalling to partner Evans.
agree. the only issue I have with Evans is he seems to be injury prone. We need good cover. Smalling Evans would be a very good pairing. I think Jones best option is midfield.
I rate all three of our CBs highly, and I think a lot of their critics will be surprised if van Gaal can put together a good midfield to play in front of them (something which only Evans, of the three, has really experienced with any consistency.) They have tremendous quality, and just need a proper run in the side together to start to show it consistently.
indeed.
He needs a couple of seasons where he stay's reasonably fit to help with his development and cement his place in t he team. He has spent far too much time on the treatment table over his career so far to really establish him self as a first team regular.
I always thought that Evans is brilliant when he is partnered with a player better/more senior then him. His partnership with Rio on 12-13 was really good and then his partnership with Vidic on 08-09 was even better. It would be interesting to see how things will go this year when he may be the best and most experienced defender on that duo. Regardless of that, I think that from our three CB, Evans is easily the best one and I expect him to be an automatic choice.
However on long term, I think that Jones and Smalling will surprass him.
However on long term, I think that Jones and Smalling will surprass him.
One aspect I feel most people are overlooking is Evans has played the vast majority of games as LCB and if the reports are true LVG seems to be quite strict about have a left footed LCB and right footed RCB which makes sense given our reported interest in Vermaelen as well as us already having Jones/Smalling for RCB. While he's certainly the best of our current 3 CB's I'm not sure his skillset will be what LVG is looking for in his system. All speculation though just something to keep an eye on.
Excellent defender. No fear, boundless courage. Not scared to KungFu Drogba. Strong going forward. If van Gaal cannot see his qualities or that of Jones, and wants to purchase TWO new defenders, I'm not convinced bout him.
He has only to stay fit to be an automatic starter.
Jones has regressed if anything since capturing our imaginations during his first several months as a United player. He looked to have limitless potential, but injuries, playing a different position in each game, and a baffling loss of ability on the ball have made him look very ordinary. Also not a fan of how he is reckless and flies into every challenge, often harming himself.
Smalling is a fine natural defender, but he is rancid on the ball. I believe it absolutely vital for defenders and goalkeepers must be confident and composed on the ball to succeed at a top club.
Neither Jones nor Smalling look anywhere near as promising as they did two years ago. Alarming situation.
I'm a big Evans fan…just wish he would stay injury free!
This doesn't make sense one bit. RVP still had a much better season than Evans and he's a genuinely world class player, one can't argue with that. Evans has never been an automatic starter. If he was a great player he would have usurped Vidic or Rio without a doubt. The fact that he failed to do so even when those players were past their best days says a lot. His injury record makes him unreliable as well. Thats a fact.