Getsme
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You've got me, I'm completely lost as to what you are talking about.He injured himself against Leicester, which put an end to his bad spell.
You've got me, I'm completely lost as to what you are talking about.He injured himself against Leicester, which put an end to his bad spell.
Lack of form and injuries, could say the same of half the squad. He's a good player just unfortunately anyone who plays in defence is going to be under the spotlight. Was the same for CM last year. Carricks doing the same as he's was doing last year but now without the critism.
Every forum needs a dog to kick, pick a CB.....
No, he's been outstanding apart from the games he's played in recently. He was our best defender up until his injury. Jones is already 10 times the player Evans is despite being 5 years younger.
Lack of form and injuries, could say the same of half the squad. He's a good player just unfortunately anyone who plays in defence is going to be under the spotlight. Was the same for CM last year. Carricks doing the same as he's was doing last year but now without the critism.
Every forum needs a dog to kick, pick a CB.....
I'm glad that everyone seems to be in agreement now, Johnny Evans has given stevoc and Getsme a difficult corner to fight from here.
How the feck is that a fact? No, judging him over the season as a whole, he's been great. What don't you get? He was brilliant, got injured, and now he's back as of last week, he's slowly getting back to speed albeit looking a little rusty.Outstanding is a stretch i would say he did have a good run before his injury. But judging him over this season as a whole he hasn't been brilliant that's a fact.
10 times the player? Jesus he must be good can't wait to see it. And 5 years younger as well how much better will he be when he's 27 then 20 times better? Or is that hyperbole?
Did i say somewhere he wasn't mate?
Injuries? Why is it then that everytime Smalling comes back from one he looks the best CB we have almost every time?
Evans doesnt have the balls to be a top CB. He is not strong enough physically and mentally I fear.
The excuses in this thread are hilarious. That mistake yesterday was unbelievable. You shouldnt give away those balls in Sunday league. But do those things happen once to him? No he has at least one big feck up in almost every game he plays for us.
He either grows a pair or fecks off it's that easy atm.
Never said he was Steve Bruce but he's was never held up to be anything other than what he is....a good squad player. Every team needs them but it's equally how they are used. Phil N, O'shea et al where the same. When they were over relied on, showed their failings. Once we sign a least one world class CB's, and all players are fit, Johnny will resume his position in the team.
How the feck is that a fact? No, judging him over the season as a whole, he's been great. What don't you get? He was brilliant, got injured, and now he's back as of last week, he's slowly getting back to speed albeit looking a little rusty.
I find it funny how you're oh so willing to slate Jones and undermine his performances for United but are backing Evans, whose been crap for a long while now, to the hilt.
Well yes, in the post I quoted you said Evans seems to be the only one vocal and organising things. Smalling is shouting at people and trying to get them to move too, so Evans cant be the only one
Never said he was Steve Bruce but he's was never held up to be anything other than what he is....a good squad player. Every team needs them but it's equally how they are used. Phil N, O'shea et al where the same. When they were over relied on, showed their failings. Once we sign a least one world class CB's, and all players are fit, Johnny will resume his position in the team.
Is seven seasons not considered long?
Yawn
Same old shit.
Corner to fight? Im not fighting Evans corner more pointing out that other players can play like shit and have similar poor performances and get off without much criticism but Evans has poor game and gets vilified on here.
Would it surprise you to know i have never really liked Evans that much or ever rated him particularly highly? And i have said as much in here a few times. Never thought he would be anything more than a decent/good squad player.
But this bandwagon circle jerk scapegoating of one of our own players and a product of our academy no less, is what i find distasteful.
No more than rest of them at the back Evans will be grand once LvG figures out that whatever system he is trying to implement or whatever way he wants them to operate won't work. I would have thought he would have it figured out by now going by the amount of individual and costly errors being made by them so far. As a unit or between them they can't even get the bread and butter stuff of defending right, none of them look like they know what they are supposed to be doing and that's contributing an awful lot to the mistakes.
We have different views on him. A decent good squad player is Brown or O'shea, players who should not be starting regularly but can come in on occasion and do a job when required. The problem is though, Evans role isn't that, he is a regular starter and the most experienced centre back that the youth are supposed to look up to, but he isn't even reaching the levels required of a squad player.
My anger towards him stems from his bad attitude. He isn't a natural leader so whenever he is shouting and pointing, he isn't being constructive, he overcompensates for this inability, it is just angry and irrational, part of the problem is his mentality. He doesn't appear to see mistakes in his own game, rather he looks to others to pass it to. Shouting at De Gea and Shaw displayed this.
So what he came from our academy? He has been given a long enough period to prove himself and by conducting himself in what appears to be an immature way, he has lost the free pass to hide behind the home grown tag. He is hardly a character that youngsters should look up to, he obviously doesn't spend enough time in the gym (he hasn't addressed his weakness), he clearly is mentally weak and as I said before he doesn't take ownership for his actions. Our young defenders should not be looking in his direction for a role model. They should be learning from much higher quality.
Jones and Smalling still have a lot to prove but at least they have the youth on their side. Evans now has the remaining league games to enjoy life at manchester united as he will be gone by end of the season.
I'm not sure he will to be honest. Phil Neville and O'Shea are good comparisons. Wes Brown too. When they got to the age where it was clear they would never become first team regulars they were moved on and replaced with younger players with more potential. United already have 3 of those. I would be amazed if Evans was still at the club next season.
I find it quite sad because he probably had the ability to make it but he hasn't improved the glaring weakness in his game. He had a huge opportunity this season and just hasn't taken it at all.
We have different views on him. A decent good squad player is Brown or O'shea, players who should not be starting regularly but can come in on occasion and do a job when required. The problem is though, Evans role isn't that, he is a regular starter and the most experienced centre back that the youth are supposed to look up to, but he isn't even reaching the levels required of a squad player.
My anger towards him stems from his bad attitude. He isn't a natural leader so whenever he is shouting and pointing, he isn't being constructive, he overcompensates for this inability, it is just angry and irrational, part of the problem is his mentality. He doesn't appear to see mistakes in his own game, rather he looks to others to pass it to. Shouting at De Gea and Shaw displayed this.
So what he came from our academy? He has been given a long enough period to prove himself and by conducting himself in what appears to be an immature way, he has lost the free pass to hide behind the home grown tag. He is hardly a character that youngsters should look up to, he obviously doesn't spend enough time in the gym (he hasn't addressed his weakness), he clearly is mentally weak and as I said before he doesn't take ownership for his actions. Our young defenders should not be looking in his direction for a role model. They should be learning from much higher quality.
Jones and Smalling still have a lot to prove but at least they have the youth on their side. Evans now has the remaining league games to enjoy life at manchester united as he will be gone by end of the season.
If O'Shea and Brown were here today there could be a good argument put forward for starting them so I hope we have better luck when or if we're going to replace Evans with a younger model that has potential.
If O'Shea and Brown were here today there could be a good argument put forward for starting them so I hope we have better luck when or if we're going to replace Evans with a younger model that has potential.
jesus wept...
Whoaaaa you went to far here.
Blackett and McNair have performed well in a back 3?
I must have missed that. I remember McNair getting subbed because he was so bad and being replaced by a midfielder in defence. And generally being poor except for his first few games in a back 4.
Blackett was alright in a few games at the start of the season hasn't had a look in since Evans has been fit.
Not even mentioning Jones has also looked poor in a back 3, which is more of a surprise when you think about it for a player who has played a lot at right back and in midfield unlike Evans.
Tbh his constant wave arming towards the ref when he is pushed off the ball again can be a bit annoying.
More of a bad habit than attitude though.
Spot on.
The two central defenders who seem to be getting the least criticism are Rojo and Smalling. It's clearly not a coincidence that they also happen to be the only two who have had the opportunity to play in a familiar formation (familiar to them and everyone else in the team) In contrast, Jones and Smalling has exclusively played in a formation where nobody seems to have much of a clue what they're doing. Which is bound to unsettle individuals and lead to the type of mistakes we've seen from them so far this season.
Hopefully, Van Gaal will show a bit of faith in his fullbacks so we can drop this awful cocking formation and give the likes of Jones and Evans the same opportunities to shine that Smalling and Rojo have had. Meanwhile, the tedious scapegoating we've seen in this thread is going to crack on regardless.
jesus wept...
We have previously covered most of this mate, i don't agree some of your views and we have different opinions that's fair enough lets leave it at that.
On the bolded part Smalling is only a year younger than Evans, he is 26 this year. I personally hope he can get over his injury problems and fulfill his obvious potential.
Or in he not too distant future there may be a Smalling thread on here where people are ripping him to shreds after every little mistake.
I have to admit I do agree with whichever poster mentioned that it's a bit bizarre how much stick Evans is getting, ...
They have all put in good performances and have looked comfortable in 3-5-2. Evans has had issues with it going back to preseason. Blackett and McNair have outperformed Evans this season. Jones had two MOTM performances in a back 3 early in the season before his injury. You're clutching at straws in your blind defense of Evans
Evans is 27 tomorrow, Smalling isnt 26 until the end of the year, there is 2 years between them bar 1 month. 2 years is a long time in football.
I think you missed the point of my post mate, Smalling doesn't exactly have youth on his side. He's not a youngster he will be 26 this year.
They have all put in good performances and have looked comfortable in 3-5-2. Evans has had issues with it going back to preseason.
Blackett and McNair have outperformed Evans this season.
Jones had two MOTM performances in a back 3 early in the season before his injury.
I think you missed the point of my post mate, Smalling doesn't exactly have youth on his side. He's not a youngster he will be 26 this year.
They have all put in good performances and have looked comfortable in 3-5-2. Evans has had issues with it going back to preseason. Blackett and McNair have outperformed Evans this season. Jones had two MOTM performances in a back 3 early in the season before his injury. You're clutching at straws in your blind defense of Evans