For starters he got into the team of the group stage in the Champions League, he was a candidate on here to be our new captain and before this season he was regarded by many as our best CB, now after 7 games his detractors are using his poor performances to rewrite history.
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Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 17
- Clean sheets
- 9
- Goals
- 0
- Assists
- 0
- Yellow cards
- 1
He then got injured, missed the rest of pre season, came back and got an unfortunate injury against Leicester, he's started 5 games in the league out of 17.
He was one of our better players last season, why can't you accept that
Really? His longest run of games was five last season, and we did badly in them. He only performed well against Arsenal (1-0 win) in that stretch of games
FFS
How many friendlies did we play after the US tour (which essentially was our preseason)?
Cop out answer.
Tell us his good points.
You also don't seem to understand what an analogy is.
In this case, we keep sticking with Evans despite his track record of unforced errors, poor performances, and falling asleep at the wheel because sometimes he has a decent game.
Its the reasoning and the conclusion that are comparable in this case.
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FFS
The only funny thing is your defense of his crap performances. We know he's your fellow countryman, its understandable. Tell me when he last had a notably good performance. It wasn't last season. He only featured in two games out of 8 against the top four. Furthermore, like I said he only managed 5 consecutive games and we only kept a clean sheet in one against Arsenal. The stats are there
He can't. The best he can do is tell us to watch games from 2012.
I wasn't the one with a cringe worthy post about all the negatives & zero positives. If you cannot acknowledge any of his good performances, what's the point in trying to change your opinion or debating.
Not a cop out, simply some cringe worthy posters are not worthy of having a reasonable debate!
To be fair, you need to tell us his qualities or just back out of the conversation because you are not bringing anything to it.
What's his and my nationality got to do with it, the fact you have had to resort to childish remarks indicates that you are so blinkered in your view that you can't think straight.
Last season stats, considering the shit season we had.
http://www.squawka.com/comparison-m...n_%/errors_leading_to_goal/fouls_suffered#avg
Your right, he was the best on the ball but I can explain what's happened, he doesn't have a clue what he's meant to do with the ball anymore and he's always been shite at defending. Don't worry he'll be injured again before we know it (Jones is back
) and he'll miss most part of the season again.These stats can make Demba Ba look like Messi, but it ain't so. It's proven countless times that they are misleading and inaccurate. You can judge him with your own eyes. The fact is, Evans has made minimum of 1 large mistake that can cost a goal per match this season. He wasn't great last season and he always had those mistakes in him the seasons before that, but was covered by Rio and Vidic. You can't deny that. We all just closed our eyes to this because back then he had a strong partner who can cover him (and a great goalkeeper who was commanding, De Gea is just starting to become one). Now it's quite different.
Ah ok, stats are only acceptable when they work in your favour, gotcha, I'll remember that for next time shall I
I haven't posted any stats. I'm watching it with my own eyes and I can't remember a single match in which Evans hasn't made a major mistake.Ah ok, stats are only acceptable when they work in your favour, gotcha, I'll remember that for next time shall I
You haven't watched to many matches then.
in fairness he has made some major errors......mainly due to his passing
is he struggling a little with LVGs system? who knows
Evans was always a reliable defender and a decent passer - he wasn't known in past seasons for making such uncharacteristic mistakes.....
I'd put his mistakes so far down to rustiness......in time we will see a more improved Evans
is he struggling a little with LVGs system? who knows
Evans was always a reliable defender and a decent passer - he wasn't known in past seasons for making such uncharacteristic mistakes.....
I'd put his mistakes so far down to rustiness......in time we will see a more improved Evans
If we bring in a top defender in the summer, which is expected, then someone has to go and most likely it'll be evans.
Why does someone have to go, serious question.
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He has been in shocking form recently let's be fair. He can defend against the smaller quicker type attackers fairly well, but give him a target man and he craps himself.
Alloa bossed him, Benteke Bossed him. The worrying thing though is even his composure has gone. That back pass against Liverpool when Sterling nearly scored was absolutely Schoolboy. He really is lucky that Rojo and Smalling are injured, and Mcnair isn't ready yet.
Alloa bossed him, Benteke Bossed him. The worrying thing though is even his composure has gone. That back pass against Liverpool when Sterling nearly scored was absolutely Schoolboy. He really is lucky that Rojo and Smalling are injured, and Mcnair isn't ready yet.
Because our defense will look really unbalanced with 5 CBs and 1 full back on each side, one would think 4 would be enough with the addition of at least another full back.
Rafael, Smalling, Jones and by the looks of it Shaw and Rojo are all injury prone, it would be a bad move to get rid of any defensive player IMO, not until we have a consistent back four anyway.
We desperately need that more than anything.
His form has been awfull
This.
Personally, I have been shocked by how bad Evans has been. I actually think he played better under Moyes! That back pass against Liverpool had shades of his assist for MK Dons in the League Cup. For some reason all of Evans' composure has vanished. He constantly looks out of his depth and blames others for not making the game easy for him. There is no hint that he is either willing or ready to take responsibility for our defence. When you compare how Smalling helped the kids along at Arsenal to the way Evans panics under the slightest pressure...
Evans has his injury problems as well. If you're looking for depth, i'd much rather have Mcnair and Blackett instead of evans.
It's also about what Evans wants himself. If in a season where he'll turn 28, we bring in another centre back to compete with Smalling, Jones, Rojo, himself, plus Blackett and McNair then he'll want assurances on playing time. If he doesn't get them then he may well decide to move on and spend what are supposed to be his peak years elsewhere.
Scapegoating is such an inescapable human trait. Everyone just loves to blame someone else for everything that's wrong in this world.
Evans really isn't as shit as some people are making him out to be. He has been poor since coming back, yes, but that can be put down to rustiness after long bouts of injuries. (And playing in that dastardly 3-5-2 even. lol) Give him some time to get back his match fitness and then we'll see if he really fits into LvG's system.
Cause if we're going to condemn him for being injury prone or mistake prone, then we can very well say the same with Smalling and Jones as well. Anyone remember Smalling's genius red card? Let's just give them all a chance to settle down in the team under LvG's system. Time will reveal if he is good enough or not. And if he fails to settle down and gets shipped in the end, then so be it.
Evans really isn't as shit as some people are making him out to be. He has been poor since coming back, yes, but that can be put down to rustiness after long bouts of injuries. (And playing in that dastardly 3-5-2 even. lol) Give him some time to get back his match fitness and then we'll see if he really fits into LvG's system.
Cause if we're going to condemn him for being injury prone or mistake prone, then we can very well say the same with Smalling and Jones as well. Anyone remember Smalling's genius red card? Let's just give them all a chance to settle down in the team under LvG's system. Time will reveal if he is good enough or not. And if he fails to settle down and gets shipped in the end, then so be it.
McNair and Blackett aren't ready yet IMO, they have played well but they still have a lot to learn , until we have a dependable back four, much like Chelsea have at the moment then it would be crazy to sell anyone. It's also just not about depth, getting new players to fit into the team takes time, Vidic and Evra are perfect examples of that.
Not being funny but he has looked poor all season, yes I know hes had his injury problems but from the perspective of a new manager coming in all of the defenders have been injured etc (including McNair) but Evans (who is supposed to be the most experienced) is the one who looks worst of the bunch. Not to mention he looks very nervous and not composed on the ball.
If we get a new CB in, I would much rather Evans was sacrificed than McNair. Its not just about ability its also about the mental capability and ability to handle the pressure and get back to your game quickly. If he takes 4/5 games to get back into the flow of things and is injury prone then that IMO counts against him.
He could try but he'd only cock it up
He was one of our better players last season, why can't you accept that
Wow.
Yep. Agree with this. Based purely on first team performances so far this season, Van Gaal won't have seen a player worth keeping. Which is a pity. Because anyone who has followed his career for longer than just this season (and has a functioning memory) knows he's got it in him to be a top class defender. He's going to have to play out of his skin for the rest of the season to salvage his United career. I hope he succeeds.
For me he has until the end of the season to show that he's as solid as midtable CBs, which would be enough for our backup behind Smalling, Jones, Rojo and whoever else we sign. He's currently looking about as bad as Rio last season and hes found himself out of the team at QPR
Just because he's the most experienced doesn't mean he can't lose his confidence. Even the Worlds best suffer from a lose of confidence from time to time, as for taking 5 or 6 games to come back from an injury, very few and I mean only a handful of players have the ability to go straight back into a team at their peak level.
Do I think Evans will be our number 1 CB in a couple of years? No, is he as bad as some are making out? Hell no. Is he the best we've got? I'd say yes, obviously he's in a lull at the moment but he will come good.
Regarding last season, there's already been some stats posted, which back up opinions that he played quite well. Predictably ignored by the usual suspects, of course. Who only post stats when it suits their agenda.
Looking at this seasons stats there's a significant drop off in his tackles and aerial duels won. A big problem for a defender. No idea why that's happening but definitely possible it's all part of the uncertainty you see in our defence every time we play 3 centre backs. Nobody knows whether to stick or twist in any given situation.
Looking at this seasons stats there's a significant drop off in his tackles and aerial duels won. A big problem for a defender. No idea why that's happening but definitely possible it's all part of the uncertainty you see in our defence every time we play 3 centre backs. Nobody knows whether to stick or twist in any given situation.
Wow what,?
Wow thats completely delusional sir
Obviously neither McNair or Blackett are the finished article yet but neither are they as apparently error prone as Evans. Evans, who is supposed to be the finished article, clearly isn't and doesn't look like he ever will be and we won't be having any semblance of a dependable back four with Evans involved that's for sure.
The writings on the wall mate.
Its nothing to do with coming back at your peak level though is it, just come back competent enough to pass the ball to the next defender, that would be good enough no?
Like I've said before I actually like or liked Evans but right now we are in a dog fight to try and get back to the top, and we don't exactly have a lot of time. Like some have said he has till the end of the season to save his United career IMO, if he doesn't at least show some form, why should he stay at the expense of someone like McNair providing McNair continues to show some promise over the course of the season?
Just look at Rio now, sometimes people just dont get back to that level, we can't be waiting all day and a season is long enough to wait.
How?