Yup. He needs to bulk up.
Jonny Evans | 2011/12 Performances
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Yup. He needs to bulk up.
That's one special post. So basically Evans has no traits of being a defender.
Rubbish. He did fine against Davies just last Saturday. The goal he conceded against Benefica was fine work by Cardozo although he should've done better. Last season was a blip, Evans has handled Drogba well in the past.
Absolutely not, he got booked after 30mins against Spurs with a ridiculous and needless rash challenge putting us under pressure for the rest of the game, he gave away a rash penalty against ars when it was only 1-0 don't forget, he was unable to keep stride with cardozo last night when he was goal side of him owing to his physical incompetence, no he is the same old Evans.
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Agree that you can only tell us what you see.
Of course, what everyone else sees seems to be quite different.
What do I make of Evans? A very promising centre half who's just off the back of a dodgy season but is looking a lot sharper again. So much so that we've barely missed a defender as good as Nemanja Vidic. Which says it all really.
Scapegoat.
Howdy Cina, would you care to offer counter arguments on any of the points I have made on his current ability. I am interested in Manchester United debate not trading insults (though maybe I am in the wrong place for that), if you can offer a different opinion or enlighten me to some overlooked technical aspects of his game I would love to hear them.
what a fecking tool
I've countered your arguement by showing that he's played a relatively large part in the tightest defence in the league 3 years running.
How about you explain how he managed that if he basically can't play football and costs us a goal everytime he plays.
No?
Thought not.....
Thought not.....
First off, nice one, a straight question, a straight answer, no personal insult, thats refreshing in this place.
I thought he looked a yard quicker in pre season alright but I think a lot of his issues are with confidence, hence you will often hear Fergie talk him up to give him a lift. I can't agree our not missing Rio and Vidic is down to him though, as I pointed out to another poster he has been potentially costly to us, he got booked after 30 mins against spurs with a needless rash challenge putting us on a knife edge, he gave away a rash peno against ars when it was still 1-0 and he just could not keep stride with cordozo last night even though he was goal side. What technical qualities do you see in his game?
Howya Eyepopper, I take on board what you say but it is kind of subjective, to be honest the way Smalling and Jones have performed and stood out and the way we are scoring goals, I could have probably played in that defence and claimed the same accolade you are bestowing on Evans. As an individual player, seriously now, I am trying to identify his qualities. When he first came on the scene I thought he read the game well, positionally, and had a bit of confidence about him, but that has deteriorated badly and it has impacted on other technical aspects of his game.
You just singled out three specific incidents from three different games. Why are you ignoring all the other good work he's done in those games? Not to mention the whole game against Bolton when he kept Kevin Davies quieter than you'll see him in most PL games. Which is all the more relevant when people keep talking about how Evans can't cope with big, strong strikers.
Didn't take long.he does have an unfortunate trait of being the bloke closest to the opposition bloke who is scoring!!
personally at 19-20 he was the best young centre half i have ever seen. he was horriffic last year. he knows he has to raise his game now we have jones and smalling. i think in 10 years he'l be the best of the 3
personally at 19-20 he was the best young centre half i have ever seen. he was horriffic last year. he knows he has to raise his game now we have jones and smalling. i think in 10 years he'l be the best of the 3
Evans has been in fine form so far this season. But last night he was quite poor. Not just on the goal but he looked a bit of the pace for the whole 90 mins
Yep I did point out those incidents, that's 3 major feck ups from 3 games out of the 5 he has played this season, they are not good stats for a Manchester United defender. I don't think he kept kevin davies quiet mate, the midfield did, we kept the ball that well they never got a chance to test Evans or De Gea, kind of like the way barca do it, people say barca have a weak defence but you can't get near them do anything about it. People seem to be dancing around the issue with intangibles like, "he kept this fella quiet" or "he was part of the defence that kept so many clean sheets". As an individual footballer, what are his outstanding technical qualities and what does he offer Manchester United over other central defenders?
Sorry but thats tripe, my post isn't subjective at all quite the opposite, those are stats over the course of 3 years, and they aren't bestowing any 'accolade' on Evans other than he played a relatively significant role in a team which had the tightest defence in the league 3 years running, something which he would have incapable of doing had he been as bad as you're making out, or had he cost us a goal every time he plays as you said.
Basically what you're saying is 'Evans is crap' then when someone pointed out our defensive record with him in the team you say 'thats because of the other players.'
If anyone's being subjective its you, allowing your apparent dislike for a player to cause you ignore the stats.
Isn't that exactly what defenders are there to do?
I'm not sure how keeping clean sheets is intangible btw, I'd say its the measure of a defence.
I wished people would stop using Evans' spell in the team where VDS set a new record for goals conceded as an argument. That was fecking history and to revert to history again and again seems very Rawkish. Evans came into the team when he was a young lad, and performed beyond expectations but that was the past. However, he was never the most blessed physically, technically, pace or heading. He's an above average defender who will do well for us as an option. To put him in the worldclass bracket is a joke. I can see where the critics are coming from and its a FACT that he remains quite a liability in most times. Mattsville isn't too wrong with his assessment, and all of you should face up to the fact that no every player in Manchester United is a worldclass player, but we do need strength in depth and that is when players like Evans comes in.
I expect him to have a few spastic moments every time i watch him play now, whether it be a rash challenge or getting skinned. Don't get me wrong he was decent for the majority of the game but out of all our defenders he looks the one most likely to make an error. Also grates me the amount of times he passes back to the goalkeeper. I mean is there any need to continuously do it.
Whose labeling him worldclass? All I'm doing is countering the assertion that he can't even play football.
He's 23, he has it in him to be a very good defender, for what its worth I think his form over the past 12 months leaves a lot to be desired.
Of course VdS was an important element in our defensive record, as were all our defenders, thats the point, singling him out when he makes a mistake while saying he had nothing to do with it when we kept clean sheets...
He's 23, he has it in him to be a very good defender, for what its worth I think his form over the past 12 months leaves a lot to be desired.
Of course VdS was an important element in our defensive record, as were all our defenders, thats the point, singling him out when he makes a mistake while saying he had nothing to do with it when we kept clean sheets...
Okay, for a moment forget historical collective team stats, simple question here, as an individual footballer what would you say are his outstanding technical abilities as a centre half. Thank you.
What would you say Wes Browns outstanding technical abilities were?
He played for Utd for 10 years.
What the feck is it with people that insist on breaking down players into a bunch of different attributes?
He's a decent young defender. What's he good at? Defending.
Kieran Richardson & Chris Eagles have quite good individual technical abilities, lets sign em up.
Vidic doesn't have very good technical abilities yet he's regarded as the worlds best defender.
Your point is ... pointless.
By the way, Fergie has put on the odd pound, hasn't he? Maybe he took some from Anderson.
A minute ago you were talking about subjectivity and intangibles, now you want to ignore historical stats and focus on what we think players are good at.....
I think your dislike of Evans is clouding your objectivity to be honest.
i would love to come re-visit this thread in 3 years time and see what Evans would be up to at that point in time. Point i am making is, he will be good defender for us and one to call on whenever there is a need for a defender.
As I said, it was a simple question, and I am still waiting on an answer....
, and I'm still waiting for an answer as to what Wes Browns were and a good reason why we shouldn't sign players like Richardson & Eagles who are technically very good.Plus one
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