I think he'd thrive under Mourinho.
John Stones
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I think we need a CB. Smalling need a partner (he's a great defender but he's not a 1 man defence, at least yet) and Rojo, Jones, Blind and Mcnair aren't good enough for that. However I feel we need a finished article now, someone who will give stability to defend, allow Smalling to learn how to be a leader and permit Shaw, CBJ and co to grow.
As long as he is a replacement for Jones/Rojo, I am fine with it. Though he will cost too much.
Both Smalling and Blind are quite better than him.
Both Smalling and Blind are quite better than him.
DR: Darmian, Valencia
DC: Smalling, Laporte?, CBJ, Blind
DL: Shaw, Rojo
would do
In an ideal world we would bring replacements for Valencia and Rojo
DC: Smalling, Laporte?, CBJ, Blind
DL: Shaw, Rojo
would do
In an ideal world we would bring replacements for Valencia and Rojo
Let's not forget he is playing under probably the worst defensive coach in the league right now.
I think you're seriously underrating the defense work Blind does, he's become brilliant as a last man defender and does a great job of swiping up whatever gets past Mike.
Would still love Stones though, really do beleive he will turn into a top defender. Let's not forget the lads still just 21 playing in a league that's aggressive and fast, mistakes will happen and it's part of the learning curve.
Stones. Smalling, Shaw, CBJ, Varela. Theres a possibility of having a settled back four for years.
It would be a nice touch to have 3/4 of England's starting defence as our own. Wouldn't make dick difference to the team's ability though and Stone's is by no means my first choice.
The Sanches deal will most probably be a guaranteed £20 million with the rest only being applicable under certain circumstances (£10 million for winning CL, £10 million if he wins world player of the year etc).
I reckon there will be plenty of money for a few top class forwards/wingers too.
As long as we sign the quality in attack, I'm not too worried about other aspects of our squad, as I'm more satisfied than most with the rest of the squad. And it doesn't even have to be top class forwards/wingers, as long as they have those natural gifts - they can be 18-20 for all I care.
As for CB, we could do with one, but I think he has to be more ready than the potential attacking signings IMO. We already have a solid defensive pairing so someone coming and making errors here and there wont make too much sense. Either we go for someone more accomplished or the next manager has a lot of faith in Stones delivering quickly.
He's 21 and has all the physical attributes needed to be a top CB. Plus he is excellent on the ball and provides a real break from deep. He's spent the last couple of years under a coach who simply cannot or doesn't want to value defending. Under a coach like Jose the lad could be brilliant. Smalling on the right, Stones on the left with Blind in a deep lying playmaker role, ready to drop back and cover whenever Stones drives forward with the ball. Could work very well.
If we sign him, hopefully that's how it works out and basically turns out to be our (new) Pique. I've seen him have some very good games defensively, but he'll have to show that he has the positional sense and awareness to do with consistently.
I just don't see how Everton can justify a 50 million price-tag.
Aye, tbf he's playing in a system where the fullbacks may as well be out and out wingers, leaving only him and Jagielka to actually attempt defending, except Stones is also asked to bomb forward with the ball.
The idea of Stones in our defence is actually disconcerting, which says all you need to know about him. Perhaps his lack of defensive quality is exacerbated by Martinez's inability to organise a defence, but I've never seen anything to suggest Stones could emulate Ferdinand as some have previously suggested.
His redeeming quality is his supposed ball playing ability. In recent months, this has made him more of a liability than anything else, in my opinion.
He often dawdles on the ball, invites pressure and either takes an unnecessary risk or misplaces the pass. One instance that springs to mind was in the cup semi-final against us - an easy pass was on to Lukaku, he spent far too much time on the ball and proceeded to ping a hopeful ball out wide. It of course went straight into touch.
We don't need additional complications like these in our game. He may have the potential to be a very good defender one day but it's a dangerous game to spend purely on potential (especially when you factor in the English tax). I genuinely think we'd be better off keeping Blind than signing him right now. Ideally we would test the waters with someone like Marquinhos though.
His redeeming quality is his supposed ball playing ability. In recent months, this has made him more of a liability than anything else, in my opinion.
He often dawdles on the ball, invites pressure and either takes an unnecessary risk or misplaces the pass. One instance that springs to mind was in the cup semi-final against us - an easy pass was on to Lukaku, he spent far too much time on the ball and proceeded to ping a hopeful ball out wide. It of course went straight into touch.
We don't need additional complications like these in our game. He may have the potential to be a very good defender one day but it's a dangerous game to spend purely on potential (especially when you factor in the English tax). I genuinely think we'd be better off keeping Blind than signing him right now. Ideally we would test the waters with someone like Marquinhos though.
I think the whole point is to nurture him.. He won't be starting over Blind but will eventually replace him.
What would be the point in us paying £35-40m for someone who isn't even an immediate upgrade on what we have?
Yeah, nah. We aren't going to be signing a CB for £40m to nurture him.
Ferdinand until Vidic came along was the same. Granted that Rio was a much better defender, but he was also prone to mistakes.
No it wouldn't.
Laporte is injured and last thing we need is another injured player at the start of next season. I would go for Laporte only if our rivals go for him.
We need someone who is going to be ready to go. If we can get rid of Jones and McNair then I feel we need two CBs.
Aye, a much better defender. Much better.
He'll be signed to be put straight in the starting lineup so enjoy.
Yep. People would have you believe that Rio's game was littered with mistakes at a young age. It really wasn't. He was much better at Stones at more or less everything to do with defending at the same age.
Potential! Your acting like that doesn't happen. We are looking to spend £40 apparently on a midfielder based on potential. I'm sure he will be rotated.
Mourinho rotates even less than van Gaal. Stones would most likely play pretty much every game he's fit for (like Mourinho did with Zouma before he was sacked).
Oh how the mood has changed over this lad in the course of 12 months.
Think Stones is a very talented and would like to see him here even though hes had an average season.
I do worry about how it will affect either him or Smalling playing LCB, i know they both mainly been playing RCB throughout their careers.
I do worry about how it will affect either him or Smalling playing LCB, i know they both mainly been playing RCB throughout their careers.
Im giving examples of the type of defender in my mind mate, calm down. Also that's the list of minimum requirements.
12 months? You are giving the Caf too much credit. Look at the posts in December.
Why do so many people think that Stones will magically become a good defender just because he is managed by Jose Mourinho?
Does Martinez tell Stones to deliberately defend badly?
How come he doesn't tell any other defender he's ever managed to do this?
How come all centrebacks managed by Martinez haven't magically gotten better as soon as he's stopped managing them?
Is every defender who can't really defend and prats around with the ball too much like that because of Roberto Martinez?
Did Martinez used to sneak into Everton's youth team coaching just to give Stones bad advice on the type of player he should be?
Why does everyone assume a guy who was on track to get Chelsea into a relegation battle, and had them defending like a pub side, would be so good at managing Stones that he'd suddeny become amazing? Is it literally JUST because Jose wanted to sign him? Jose wanted to sign Rooney a year or so before and all anyone on here does is slag him off.
The whole idea is so full of holes that where do you even start.
Does Martinez tell Stones to deliberately defend badly?
How come he doesn't tell any other defender he's ever managed to do this?
How come all centrebacks managed by Martinez haven't magically gotten better as soon as he's stopped managing them?
Is every defender who can't really defend and prats around with the ball too much like that because of Roberto Martinez?
Did Martinez used to sneak into Everton's youth team coaching just to give Stones bad advice on the type of player he should be?
Why does everyone assume a guy who was on track to get Chelsea into a relegation battle, and had them defending like a pub side, would be so good at managing Stones that he'd suddeny become amazing? Is it literally JUST because Jose wanted to sign him? Jose wanted to sign Rooney a year or so before and all anyone on here does is slag him off.
The whole idea is so full of holes that where do you even start.
Very talented and I've seen him look a very good defender before this season. He's had a rough time this year but given his age and the manager he's playing under....
I'd happily see us sign him, especially if Mourinho is our manager.
I'd happily see us sign him, especially if Mourinho is our manager.
There is a much bigger need for someone like Sanches in the team, even if he isn't the finished product right now. Carrick and Schweinsteiger move like they're running through treacle and players like Rooney or Fellaini aren't viable long-term options either.
It's also far more likely that there would rotation in the midfield than defence. Having a settled back four and central defensive pairing in particular is imperative for any team that wants to mount a serious title challenge.
I think the problem some people have is about the fee rather then anything else
Aye, I can understand that. It's one thing paying big money for potential but when that potential's just had a pretty poor season....
Plus a lot of people probably only started paying attention to Stones this year anyway, in which case it makes sense that they'd be underwhelmed.
I would much rather develop our own youth, his defending is trash for someone who is rated at £40m.
I have not seen him much but i thought he was hot property on the caf only 6 months ago. Why the sudden turn around?
Poor season, responsible for quite a few goals Everton conceded: http://www.squawka.com/comparison-m.../p#errors_leading_to_goal/defensive_errors#90
We can't spend £50 million on a central defender who isn't better than what we have - regardless of how good he will turn out. Stones will probably be a very good defender, but at this moment he is not good enough for the fee Everton want.
Surely they don't get such a fee, would be crazy
Depends who is after him - if 2 topteams really want him...why not ?
Evans was better on the ball, and a far better defender. It's a fecking joke if we sign Stones for anyone near the prices quoted.