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John Stones | Done Deal
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Fifty million quid!?!?!?!?
I'm sorry but if city pay that they're utter idiots. Don't any of their fans even attempt to argue how he is worth it. Never in a million years.
Alderweireld. Terry. Koscielny. Cahill. Vertonghen. Kompany. Zouma. Eric dier. Off the top of my head are all cb I'd pick over stones. Based on last year even stick lovren in there too.
He is so overrated stones it is laughable. Fifty fecking million. Varane would cost that and he pisses over stones
I'm sorry but if city pay that they're utter idiots. Don't any of their fans even attempt to argue how he is worth it. Never in a million years.
Alderweireld. Terry. Koscielny. Cahill. Vertonghen. Kompany. Zouma. Eric dier. Off the top of my head are all cb I'd pick over stones. Based on last year even stick lovren in there too.
He is so overrated stones it is laughable. Fifty fecking million. Varane would cost that and he pisses over stones
Talented kid that needs nurturing. Slinging him in the deep end with a 50m price tag seems reckless.
Sterling-esque hopefully in the end for us.
Sterling-esque hopefully in the end for us.
How much would Wes Morgan be I wonder ? An absolute mountain of a defender and a real leader.
For 50 mill I really hope this happens! Right up there with Pogba to Utd!!! 
50m for him would be just about as bad as that amount for Sterling Sure he is a talented kid, but he is more talented on the ball then an actual good defender, so I wouldn't be worried. Would rather this then City actually signing quality defenders.
Sure he is a talented kid, but he is more talented on the ball then an actual good defender, so I wouldn't be worried. Would rather this then City actually signing quality defenders.I certainly do not hope city get him, he's going to be a top centreback £50Mil or not.
50m for him would be just about as bad as that amount for Sterling
Sterling and Stones for best part of £100m.
ummmmmm no thanks. Sterling is not worth £20m, he is absolutely shit. Stones I'd pay £20m-25 tops for
I loved the City PR line, "We thought the price being asked for Laporte before he signed his new deal was too high for a player of his age" (his buyout was £38m?)
So we will spend £50m on Stones who is a day younger rofl
So we will spend £50m on Stones who is a day younger rofl
£50m
Stones has the tools to become a top class centre half. He's young, he'll learn when to play the pass and when not to - with decent coaching. Guardiola should improve him.
Smalling is an example of what you get if you're patient with raw potential. The fact is, experience counts for a lot with centre backs.
£50 million is a lot of money. If he's a regular for the next 10 years then it's arguably money well spent.
City are desperate for homegrown players, so paying top dollar for Stones makes sense. Sterling and Hart aside, their homegrown players include the likes of Richard Wright, Gael Clichy and Fabian Delph.
There's no need to act dense. What you've said about Sterling simply isn't true and whilst I'm not a fan of Stones, signing him for £20m isn't realistic at all.
Please let this be true. Poor defender
Played like a turd the season before so probably feck all.
It's no because it's City, but Stones is never a £50 million player, just like Sterling isn't.
There are no current home grown players worth that much, no matter who is buying them.
There are no current home grown players worth that much, no matter who is buying them.
Stones had a very poor season - but that was under Martinez, who couldnt organise a defence to save his life. I dont usually buy too much into Pep's philosophy when people suggest that the likes of Hart couldnt possibly play under him, but I think Stones is a player that could develop into a great player for City under Pep.
He was worse than Jagielka. So you can't blame everything on Martinez. You can't blame Martinez for his positioning at times.
Do it City, you know it makes sense.
And follow it by a 60m bid for Alli.
And follow it by a 60m bid for Alli.
Not true, you only "need" 4 homegrown players as far as I'm aware (and 4 club trained), Sterling, Hart, Clichy & Delph will all remain thus Stones is being bought for other reasons. Chelsea, United, Barca & City all wanted Stones, Mourinho & Guardiola both want Stones - yet he's supposedly awful. Hard to tell who has more experience, random fans judging him off a couple of seasons with Martinez, or the vast scouting networks of some of the top clubs in the world alongside a couple of the best managers in the world.
Is he worth £50m? No, of course not. But is Troy Deeney worth £30m+, is Ighalo worth £38m+, is Pogba worth £100m? No, of course not. The market is a mess, and Stones is a victim of the British media, last year he was the best thing since sliced bread, this year he's awful? Rubbish, he's a good player with a lot of potential, who we will overpay for but quite clearly fits a Pep style of defender, if Pep creates the team he wants to create then Stones will likely look like a far better player than his last season at Everton.
Would you be happy if Utd spent 25-30m on sterling? I am guessing not, and IMO he is shit.
And Stones is never ever worth £50m (also unrealistic). People were laughing at the fact Chelsea were ready to offer 35 last year, he has had a "meh" season, and I would not offer more than 20-25 now as a manager
30m+ should be buying guys like Bonucci, Varane, Hummels, Thiago Silva etc not fecking John Stones
It is because he is English and vastly overhyped. Ability wise and quality wise i think hes 20-25m at most.
Surely Harry Kane? Back to back 20+ goal seasons, golden boot last year etc.
On Stones, never worth 50m but Everton don't need to sell, so you have to pay a price that they can't reject. He's obviously good on the ball (which is presumably why Pep wants him) and coming off a terrible season, but I do think, based on previous seasons, that he's not a bad defender either. A lot of work tp be done but he could easily improve a lot under Pep. That said, I'm glad they are getting Stones and not Laporte, that kid is dynamite.
The price is because he's English yes, the English tax adds a good 10-15m nowadays. Overhyped? Yes originally, and now the opposite, overbashed (for want of a better word). Typical of a young English player getting too much attention too early, another Sterling, they're both young lads still yet people treat them as seasoned professionals - got another 10 years+ of their careers, people are far to quick to overhype players and then far too quick to dismiss them.
Some players don't even peak until later in their careers, look at Vardy, or Mkhitaryan (vast improvements last year), suddenly hitting form at 29 & 27.
You say £20-25m, but potential these days seems to be £30m+, look at Sanches, Martial, Sane, Bailly etc. all looking at 30-60m for guys who may or may not become quality players.
I'd take Sterling for that, yeah. Obviously City overspent on him last summer and he hasn't met expectations so far but at his best, he can be a very effective player. One bad season doesn't change that and he certainly isn't shit.
I'm not disputing that £50m is a ridiculous amount of money for Stones, I'm just pointing out that £25m would get City nowhere if they're serious about signing him. Prices are massively inflated with all the TV money coming into play now - just look at the offers Watford have turned down for Deeney and Ighalo!
Same Pep who has signed Chygrynski and Benatia as his CBs? From all his CB signings, only Pique (which strangely enough, was by far the cheapest) has worked.
Both Mourinho and Pep have a hit and miss transfer record so them wanting him doesn't make Stones a better player than he is. And at the moment, he is somewhere between shit and mediocre. He'll suit Pep's system on being able to pass from the back, but so would have done Laporte who not only can pass, but also can defend. And would cost less.
For 50m i really wouldn't be bothered to see him go, we can replace him with defenders that are at their peak or have very good potential. I rate him highly and think he's been very underated on here as a large amount of people only took notice of him last season due to his transfer saga and the links to United. It just happened to correlate with a poor season by him compared to the previous few.
I don't think Benatia is a bad CB, he just can't stay healthy.
He's shite. Ecstatic if this goes through.
How much is Stones worth without the English tax? £25 million?
Please City, sign him.
The Stones fee would be mad enough on its own.
Then you remember that City already spent massive fees on Mangala and Otamendi.
They are pure waste that team.
Then you remember that City already spent massive fees on Mangala and Otamendi.
They are pure waste that team.
He's got potential to be the next Pique.
poor season at Everton last year doesn't hide his obvious talents.
poor season at Everton last year doesn't hide his obvious talents.
The fact that Mourinho and Guardiola want him proves the talent is there
You could use that logic for any manager, and could list hits & misses in the transfer window. The fact that after a poor season at Everton there's still so much interest in the player would suggest he's got something about him.
He was overhyped & now over criticised. Hard to judge him on the basis of playing in that horrible Everton side, similarly I think he'd be awful under Pellegrini. Let's see how he does in a system more suited to his playing style before writing him off as "shit to mediocre". He's certainly above average for someone of his age, and above average on the ball for his position for pretty much all ages.
Laporte had a broken leg & dislocated ankle, had never played in the PL & was also expensive; both signings were with their risks, but both clearly have potential. Now that Laporte has chosen to stay we're left with Stones, I for one am willing to give him a chance rather than jump on the media bandwagon of "he's shite".
In the current climate, he might be worth that kind of punt for a club like Everton or Spurs. Hes already there though, and for a more ambitious club hes not worth the massive project. Forget the brain farts on the ball, hes a CB who can not defend.
Very rare for a defender to look great in a terrible defensive system. He's a Martinez victim, give him to any top class coach who tells his team what to do when they actually lose the ball he's gonna look great and all these 'he's rubbish' comments will be in the distant past. Pep would be great for him and probably suits his gamee more than any manager out there given his instance that defenders have to pass out from the back and the outrageous high line he plays which Stones has enough pace to play in.
Would be a good signing in my view.
People had the same doubts about Rio, they'll potentially get 10-12 years out of him, £50m is a good deal and he'll improve further under Pep.
People had the same doubts about Rio, they'll potentially get 10-12 years out of him, £50m is a good deal and he'll improve further under Pep.
Bluemoons Stones thread is a hilarious read. I can only imagine what they would be saying if it was us spending £50mil on fecking Stones.
Is he better than Rio do you think? remember Rio was 30M. Probably the same figure as now when dealing with inflation.
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