Give him a season ticket in north stand tier 3 or a seat under the leaky roof
John Murtough Sack Watch
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Give him a season ticket in north stand tier 3 or a seat under the leaky roof
First mistake if true
He’s probably getting some fancy sounding title doing nothing important or shoved away in the proposed INEOS multi club project. Basically nothing integral to the first team.
Perhaps what we know about Murtough is either untrue or people misunderstand what he does. I'm not saying he's not doing a bad job but there were certain stories about him being false like not knowing the time difference between Norway and the UK.
Well this is it really. Someone getting promoted beyond their abilities doesn't mean they automatically become bad at everything - just that they were pushed / pushed themselves too far. He was apparently well thought of in some regards before, so no reason why he couldn't revert back to that if he is happy & willing to do so (as well as, of course, accept the appropriate terms). To a degree people just want anyone involved in the past out, and it's understandable, but there is a case of being careful not to throw the baby out with the bath water. If he has (genuinely) impressed, if he has something to offer, then whats the harm? It obviously just can't be in a similar role to what it has been over the last few years.
I envision Milton from Office Space.
Or we plebs sat on a forum just have no idea what we're really on about?
If he's able to set his ego aside and accept a demotion to a position he's more suited to, I see nothing wrong with this. By all accounts he did a great job up until his promotion to DOF.
Ineos must've been impressed by his savvy negotiation skills, and dedication when he camped out in the Barca parking lot last summer working on the de jong deal
No logical reason to keep on a incompetent person like him unless the glazers still has a say on the football side of things..
This phrase needs banning on here
Re : Murtough - seemingly he isnt as bad as everyone thinks. Same story as Carrick/ McKenna et al.
For me, everyone that gave the green light on Anthony and Mount can be shown the door, but it seems he must have done something correctly to be kept on in some capacity. Perhaps he’s just another victim of the ‘system’ we have in place? Who knows? But I certainly feel his involvement with the first team recruitment will be greatly reduced.
Of course, he is. He spent something like half a billion to build a squad that is weaker than before. And he was also DoF during the Ole-fiasco where his entire team got a contract extension a month or so before Ole getting sacked, when it was clear that Ole was a dead man walking.This phrase needs banning on here
Re : Murtough - seemingly he isnt as bad as everyone thinks. Same story as Carrick/ McKenna et al.
And in any case, spending 80m in Antony, 55m in Mount on his last ear of contract, and 72m in Sancho should be a criminal offence. He should go to jail, let alone lose his job for that.
This is not surprising if it comes true. He's very good apparently at what he was doing before this current role.
Sir Jim needs to clean house rather than keep these wastemen.
He is losing his job. Sounds like he is then effectively getting rehired for a different role, something that he presumably is actually good at.
As others have said, he seems to be a classic example of somebody who was promoted past his point of competence. That doesn't mean he wasn't good at his previous roles.
I wouldn’t trust a team lead by Dave Brailsford to be able to evaluate that. I would rather have a commitee of internet warriors. Probably all 1.000 emplyees of United would be sacked overnight, and we would go rocket out of the league system in minimum time. But the RedCafé transfer threads on New Receptionist and New Lawnsperson would be an endless hoot.
I can picture it now... "This receptionist just hasn't got enough big club experience"
Based on what evidence though? The briefs given by the club, where everyone apparently was great at their job, but somehow we sucked for straight 11 years.
He’s also been known as the great survivor.
'What does Dave Bailsford actually do'
We don't know for sure, but I'd trust INEOS to decide that a hell of a lot more than random posters. If they keep him on it means they think he'll be good in that role. Alternatively it may just be rubbish media reports and they don't want him to stay at all.
But by most accounts both the women and youth teams started turning around and having more success while he was focusing on those teams.
If he's willing to work in academy development, why not? That probably reflects his stature, ability and interests. Its not his fault he was woefully over promoted by Woodward.
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That guy must really know how to suck up and politic.
He’s been a key person in assembling the most expensive squad wasting over a billion pounds to assemble a mid table squad!
Not to mention a squad with huge attitude problems.
How he has kept his job is insane.
If he had anything to do with the Antony fee, he should get sacked.
This. He seems to have done some good work in women's football and the youth academy. No worries if he wants to keep doing that for a bit longer. I remember the hype around him when we finally made him the DOF with Woody leaving so clearly someone competent. He's in the same bracket as guys like Carrick, McKenna etc. Probably smart people but shouldn't have got the job so quickly.
As much as I love to hate the guy it was probably too big a step up for him. Once he works with people like Berrada, Ashworth and co maybe he can be groomed into a successor in case one of them leaves.
Didnt he do good with the youth setup? Maybe he will go back to what he was doing there.
I have no problem with him going back to his old role, just keep him away from all recruitment matters from now on.
He will be assistant to Ashworth I’d imagine. It’s a major demotion but still the best job he could get at a big club right now. I don’t think he was even bad at his job per se. He was just representing owners who clearly had absolutely no plan. Anyone working for them was being hung out to dry.
So according to you, Neither Murtough is that bad nor Ten Hag is at fault in the other thread. The two people who should be held accountable for the mess we are in aren’t at fault. So who’s is responsible then?This phrase needs banning on here
Re : Murtough - seemingly he isnt as bad as everyone thinks. Same story as Carrick/ McKenna et al.
So according to you, Neither Murtough is that bad nor Ten Hag is at fault in the other thread. The two people who should be held accountable for the mess we are in aren’t at fault. So who’s is responsible then?
80% Woodward and 20% Glazers for ignoring the footballing side and continuing with Woodward. I really don't know how good/bad Murtough is, but our squad when he arrived was already a crap show. I actually think our current squad is a drastic improvement to when he arrived as DoF. Academy is quite improved as well. Murtough/ETH effectively had to start work from under the pile of absolute toxic non-usable junk.
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There can’t be many people in his position who would be happy to be replaced and lose pretty much all their responsibilities. Most people would walk away so if he is kept on he must be pretty desperate. Maybe once new appointments arrive and reality sets in he’ll change his mind and move on as any role left for him is going to be a big demotion.
I don’t think anything he has done since he joined has been outstanding at any stage, he’s wasn’t the disaster in other roles he has been as DOF but fact INEOS have chosen to replace him so quickly shows what they think of his ability and performance.
I don’t think anything he has done since he joined has been outstanding at any stage, he’s wasn’t the disaster in other roles he has been as DOF but fact INEOS have chosen to replace him so quickly shows what they think of his ability and performance.
This sums him up, hes a nice bloke but not very good at his job, to be fair he was handed more responsibilities than what he signed up to do
Did I say that?So according to you, Neither Murtough is that bad nor Ten Hag is at fault in the other thread. The two people who should be held accountable for the mess we are in aren’t at fault. So who’s is responsible then?
Brailsford and Ratcliffe are allegedly impressed by him as per report. Do you think the guy who engineered Britains Olympic success and Britains self made richest man are both stupid? I seriously doubt it.
Furthermore, nobody is suggesting Murtough stays in his current position. Clearly he will be replaced by far more experienced people which is as it should be. The report merely says he could be kept at the club ‘in some capacity’. He therefore can’t be as useless as all the hyperbole hero’s on here like to make out. I don’t think anyone is suggesting he doesn’t seem out of his comfort zone currently, but he obviously has talents that INEOS believe can be harnessed elsewhere with in the organisation.
As for ETH, at no point have I EVER stated he is faultless. My arguement has always been that there are extenuating circumstances for our performance this year, and sacking the manager and starting over isn’t the right way to go in my opinion.
It might have escaped your attention but ’the mess we are in’ has been building since 2013. Over a decade of incompetence and bad decisions have lead us to where we are now. 8 managers, £1bn in transfers and god knows how many players have failed to stop the rot which to me at least suggests the problem is wider than just replacing the manager.
If you must blame somebody why not start with J&A Glazer? They have presided over and signed off on over a decade of decline and decay. Maybe look at the influence of Woodward? His Spector of incompetence still looms large over this football club. His legacy is one of total destruction of the footballing dept by bad decision after bad decision, trying and failing spectacularly to spend his way out of his own problem. Consider maybe Moyes for getting rid of all remaining links to ‘the good old days’ by removing SAF backroom staff. There are a long line of people to blame for where we find the club today.
It will take time to rebuild, it will be a steady process of undoing the mistakes of the past and introducing new people and processes. I don’t believe it is as simple as merely pointing fingers and shouting ‘sack the dof, sell the manager!’. So get your facts straight or wind your neck in.
I was against Murtough from day 1. It wasn't about nationality as some accused me about or me being always negative but mainly because he had zero experience as a sporting director. In fact I am over the moon about Ashworth and would have loved to see Mitchell or Dougie Freedman as HoR as well.
I am not against Murtough being given an academy role. He has experience in that role and had done a decent job with the youths even with United.
I am not against Murtough being given an academy role. He has experience in that role and had done a decent job with the youths even with United.