John Fleck

izzydiggler said:
I don't pretend to be some ITK but my boss was a season ticket holder at Ibrox and now works at the ground in the press box on match days. He attends several reserve/youth games too. His daughter is a big Rangers fan and has Fleck as a "friend" on MSN.

He said that somebody from United (often Ferguson) enquires about him weekly. Apparently even contacting him directly....illegally. :nervous:

By the sound of things, he is (even by Scotish standards) going to be a hell of a player.

He's not a bullshitter and trust the info is correct. But then again, United probably contact hundreds of players across the world, so read into it what you will.
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Interesting.. Well I would assume SAF would have weekly conversations with him... SAF being Scottish would bite anyone's hand off to get the best young Scottish talent under him.. Likewise Fleck too would like to experience life under SAF for obvious reasons..
 
He's played three times. He looks like he might be a player but is getting hyped massively by the media. The last three Rangers players to have been hyped massively by the media up here were.

1. Jean-Alain Boumsong
2. Carlos Cuellar
3. Alan Hutton

All were lavishly praised when Rangers were in serious financial straits. All were sold for large sums. All have proved to be not quite as "world class" as the papers claimed.

Rangers are currently financially fecked. They need to make a few million in summer just to keep the club afloat. Fleck's the answer.
 
Brwned said:
For someone so limited he makes great use of it, I'll give him that.

It's not even the amount of goals he scores, but it's the variety of them that makes it quite impressive.

The fact that he does it all in the Scottish league brings it way down in terms of recognition though.
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He scores them all against Hamilton, Inverness and Kilmarnock. He very rarely scores against top 6 teams (apart from penalties). He doesn't score against European sides. He's the ultimate flat track bully - but without him Rangers would be out of the league race this season. He's scored once (I think) in his career against Celtic. That's in something like 20 games.
 
Anna_Livia said:
He's played three times. He looks like he might be a player but is getting hyped massively by the media. The last three Rangers players to have been hyped massively by the media up here were.

1. Jean-Alain Boumsong
2. Carlos Cuellar
3. Alan Hutton

All were lavishly praised when Rangers were in serious financial straits. All were sold for large sums. All have proved to be not quite as "world class" as the papers claimed.

Rangers are currently financially fecked. They need to make a few million in summer just to keep the club afloat. Fleck's the answer.
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Cuellar and Hutton are very good players.
 
Anna_Livia said:
He scores them all against Hamilton, Inverness and Kilmarnock. He very rarely scores against top 6 teams (apart from penalties). He doesn't score against European sides. He's the ultimate flat track bully - but without him Rangers would be out of the league race this season. He's scored once (I think) in his career against Celtic. That's in something like 20 games.
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Well yeah I noticed that, and the fact that he rarely starts for Scotland really says a lot about how good he really is.

Still though, I'd rather have him in my team than Georgios Samaras to be honest.
 
Boyd is the worst player ever, but he has unique goalscoring talent where anything that comes to him inside the box, he will usually put away.

Thats the only thing hes good at, ironic that for a striker he still gets called a bad player when he does score alot of goals, but as a player, he is guff.
 
Brwned said:
Well yeah I noticed that, and the fact that he rarely starts for Scotland really says a lot about how good he really is.

Still though, I'd rather have him in my team than Georgios Samaras to be honest.
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There isn't a single quality striker in the SPL. Fleck might turn out to be the best of a bad lot, tbh. Samaras has blown hot and cold - outstanding for 6 weeks at the start of the season, then injured, then shit.

I would actually rather have him than Boyd though. He offers more movement, better link up play and is the league's second top scorer. Although he does sometimes look like he's never seen a football before in his life.
 
Anna_Livia said:
There isn't a single quality striker in the SPL. Fleck might turn out to be the best of a bad lot, tbh. Samaras has blown hot and cold - outstanding for 6 weeks at the start of the season, then injured, then shit.

I would actually rather have him than Boyd though. He offers more movement, better link up play and is the league's second top scorer. Although he does sometimes look like he's never seen a football before in his life.
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I'm surprised McDonald fell from grace so quickly, looked like he might actually be a quality striker with his movement and finishing.

:lol: Yeah he seems surprised when he beats a man every so often, more surprised at the level of defending than his own ability mind.

Scott Brown, McGeady, Boruc and McManus look like one of the few who look like they could cut it in this league. Mendes, Ferguson and Bougherra looking like the only ones who could make it from Rangers.

So what's this Fleck lad all about? More dangerous on the ball with passing/close control/dribbling/hold up play or more dangerous off the ball with his movement and finding space in the box?
 
Brwned said:
I'm surprised McDonald fell from grace so quickly, looked like he might actually be a quality striker with his movement and finishing.

:lol: Yeah he seems surprised when he beats a man every so often, more surprised at the level of defending than his own ability mind.

Scott Brown, McGeady, Boruc and McManus look like one of the few who look like they could cut it in this league. Mendes, Ferguson and Bougherra looking like the only ones who could make it from Rangers.

So what's this Fleck lad all about? More dangerous on the ball with passing/close control/dribbling/hold up play or more dangerous off the ball with his movement and finding space in the box?
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Scott Brown's the best player in the SPL bar none. He has it in him to be a top midfielder IMO - or at least, he has the athleticism and aggression, and needs to work on his passing. Would have been a good replacement for Diarra at Pompey, although no-one in their right mind would go to Pompey at the moment.

McDonald's not good enough. Last season was an aberration in his career. I wouldn'tt mind a few more like it.

Bougherra's properly shit. As is McManus. Mendes can be a lovely ballplayer at times, but hardly set the EPL on fire when he played in it. Ferguson's a busted flush. Boruc has been shocking this season and McGeady has stalled a little bit. He's coming back onto a game in recent weeks though. Our last few games he's been amazing. He needs to add goals to his game, but even then I think you're looking at a better version of Stuart Downing than a worse version of Ronaldo. Kinda like Nani, in other words. :boring:

Fleck looks decent - drifts wide, comes deep, comfortable on the ball. But it's just too early to say. The press have latched onto him and, no doubt at the behest of David Murray, are praising him to the heavens, either to bump up his value or to engender some sort of feelgood factor, so that the Ibrox hordes get off the chairman's back and stop slating him for running the club into the ground.
 
Brown is a player that could easily cut it in the premiership, his passing can be erratic but he has more to his game than an awful lot of central midfielders in the prem.

McManus is awful, Bougherra has done well to be fair to him but he was rubbish in the EPL anyway. Mendes is good and actually can't be faulted for work rate but he ends up on the edge of matches alot of the time. McGeady has taken backwards steps, the lad showed great promise but isn't progressing, also his attitude appears to be awful. He has believed his own hype and is going nowhere if he doesnt sort himself out. Boruc has been great, great entertainment for anyone that isn't a celtic fan that is. Scott McDonald is a fat twat, biggest arse in football, i mean he literally has the biggest backside sinse Hartson. Barry Ferguson is past it.

Fleck is a player that has been whispered about since he was 14/15. Everyone knew about him, he was given all sorts to make sure he wasnt poached by a big EPL team when he was younger apprently. His touch is good, he looks to play tidy passes, looks to have a very good left foot (bit of a hammer) and has a simelar build to rooney, shortish, strong and athletic.

Kid looks like the real deal but at 17 who knows, you have to be good to get a game at 17 for Rangers (even if rangers are rubbish, which they are) but who knows how he will progress, i hope well for the sake of scottish football.
 
Scotland boss George Burley is considering unleashing Rangers starlet John Fleck against Holland next month.

Fleck is regarded as one of the brightest prospects to emerge in Scotland after breaking into the Rangers side this season.

The 17-year-old has only made five first-team appearances for his club but has made such an impact that Burley is ready to fast-track him into the national team.

Burley insists he would have no qualms calling up the starlet for the crucial World Cup qualifier with Holland on 28th March.

Asked if he would consider selecting Fleck for the clash in Amsterdam, Burley said: "If he is performing well at Rangers, why not?"

He added: "I'm very excited about young John. I've spoken to Walter Smith, the Rangers manager, about him a couple of times and he thinks he is going to be a really top-class player. With any young player, you have to assess it.

"Rangers will do that on a weekly basis, but there is no doubt he is an exceptional talent at 17.

"I have always said that if you are good enough, you are old enough, and that is something I'll be looking very closely at in the forthcoming months.

"I'll be going to the Old Firm game on Sunday."

Fleck's omission from the Under 21 squad last week caused controversy, with boss Billy Stark accused of ignoring the country's brightest young talent.

But Burley, who has a track record of putting his faith in youngsters during his time with Ipswich, Derby and Southampton, is ready to gamble on a player who appears equally adept in midfield or up front.

He said: "I had a number of young players who played regularly at 17 over my club career.

"As a club manager, I was never reluctant to push exceptional youngsters through if I thought it was right, and I am the same as the national manager.

"I was fortunate enough at 17 to make my debut against George Best for Ipswich against Manchester United in 1973.

"I think Barry Ferguson was 17 when he made his debut for Rangers. I think there are less coming through but if there is a Wayne Rooney you have to look at it carefully, and if they are performing well at the highest stage then you treat is as an individual case.

"Age doesn't matter. It is how you are performing on a weekly basis for your club and what level you are playing at. If you are doing exceptionally well, you have got a chance."

Another sign of how good he may just be.
 
MadDogg said:
Bah, I was hoping we would actually go 24 hours without a post in the transfer forum. But didn't quite make it.

This Fleck does sound quite interesting. I'm sure we're at least watching him.
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I'm definitely going to have a look out for him in the next few weeks.

Rangers matches are normally on Setanta so it shouldn't be too hard, starting with the Old Firm match on Sunday.

Hopefully he gets a game.
 
Brwned said:
I'm definitely going to have a look out for him in the next few weeks.

Rangers matches are normally on Setanta so it shouldn't be too hard, starting with the Old Firm match on Sunday.

Hopefully he gets a game.
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From what I have heard/read He is expected to play a part in the game..
 
MadDogg said:
Bah, I was hoping we would actually go 24 hours without a post in the transfer forum. But didn't quite make it.

This Fleck does sound quite interesting. I'm sure we're at least watching him.
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If a truly special Scottish talent was to emerge, I can't see Sir Alex not paying extremely close attention. Then there's the Walter Smith connection.
 
Elliott said:
If a truly special Scottish talent was to emerge, I can't see Sir Alex not paying extremely close attention. Then there's the Walter Smith connection.
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Precisely what I said earlier.. Interesting times ahead..
 
Chirag said:
From what I have heard/read He is expected to play a part in the game..
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I'd think so. Although if the game is anything like the long-ball fest it was last time out, he'll struggle to make an impact.
 
Both teams are playing totally rubbish at the moment and you never know in these games. I hope it's entertaining. If Boruc starts expect at least some entertainment! ;)

Fleck should start, they don't have a better option and he has been out performing most other players in the games he's featured in.
 
Well the standard of football in the first Old Firm game of the season (4-2 to Rangers) was refreshingly high, and coupled with Boruc's shoddy goalkeeping, made it great to watch.
 
Fleck family knows Man Utd following Rangers starlet John
16.02.09 | tribalfootball.com

Former Rangers and Norwich City striker Robert Fleck knows his nephew John Fleck is being tracked by Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson.

He said: "When you have people like Sir Alex keeping an eye on his progress and David Beckham paying compliments then that's great.

"Rangers deserve tremendous credit for bringing John through.

"They have made him feel welcome and I know he gets good advice from everyone.

"He never phones me for advice but I'm always there if he needs a blether about anything.

"Mind you, I doubt he'd listen to me if I offered any pointers!"
 
I saw him play yesterday for the first time. The game totally passed him by.

I wish to feck it had totally passed me by as well, as it was one of the worst games of football I've ever seen.
 
This has simmered down has it not? I would really like us to sign him.. probably either loan him back or let him develop with us.. Probably giving him the odd game here and there..
 
Brwned said:
I'm definitely going to have a look out for him in the next few weeks.

Rangers matches are normally on Setanta so it shouldn't be too hard, starting with the Old Firm match on Sunday.

Hopefully he gets a game.
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That match was woeful, and Fleck was barely in the game.

Had two very good crosses in the first half, and then nutmegged a player running up the wing in the second half, that was pretty much all I can remember from him.
 
He's barely kicked a ball since the initial fuss back in February.
 
samabachan said:
Saw him do a pretty good impression of Liam Miller in a game against England U19s a few weeks back.
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Yeah, he was very underwhelming in that match. He was playing above his age group though.
 
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