This is a solid proposition.
Joao Felix / on loan to Chelsea
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This is a solid proposition.
Ye I thought the same tbh, maybe he wants a fluid front 3 that can rotate. He is known to use an actual target man though like he did at Ajax.
From what I've understood from ETH's pressers he's quite happy with the type of striker Martial is. We'd probably just need a better version of him that can stay fit
Change the whole formation? No thanks. A short team signing needs to fit in to our formation.
Not really changing the formation… we basically play a 4-2-3-1/4-3-3 anyway.
It wouldn't change at all
It's literally the same formation. That wouldn't change in any way.
We’re not using an actual ST target man either… so if ETH buys one of them the formation will change?
I disagree. On paper you can say it’s the same formation, but playing a false 9 vs an actual striker is a huge tactical shift. Changes what Bruno does, changes what we require from the wide players, chances what we need from the full backs.
If we wanted to play that then Bruno can do it.
Yes, we are.
Rashford and Antony are more advanced than Martial?
Ye I get what you’re saying now. The original disagreement though was the formation changing. That wouldn’t change… only the roles would.
Semantics about the word formation I guess. If you were looking at it on a whiteboard or whatever, a false 9 would likely be behind the line of the two wide players. That’s definitely not how we play now. Liverpool with Firminho is the most obvious example. Salah and Mane were the most advanced players.
Martial at times is a false footballer.
That's not really a determining factor but he often is below both or on the same line. False nines or 9 and half was traditionally the other striker in a two strikers system, the main difference between the regular 9 and the false nine is that the latter drops out of the box more often, is more involved in the build up and he is not the main target in the box. That's exactly how Martial has been used by ETH.
Yes but it's just another forward option to add to the ranks for Arteta.
I just feel by way of options, if we consider only the positional competition, Felix will look at Martial for the CF competition vs Jesus for the CF competition and probably prefer the former. If we were looking at that alone of course.
At times, yes... Perfect example this 1st goal tonight. He definitely plays more as a false 9 then typical CF.
And the important part in that movement is that he dropped into midfield as the main outlet and he didn't run into the box but offered an option out of it.
Agree. And the way he plays allow much more fluidity in our attack which is the reason why am I so keen on Felix coming in.
You mean when they run past him after he’s held the ball up? That’s what a target man does
I don’t think Felix can play with his back to goal like Martial is being asked to do, in order to lay the ball off to the wide men, so regardless of what you want to call the position, I don’t think Felix is the answer.
You are wrong there. Felix is superb with has back to goal and quicker on the turn.
Thanks but I’ll trust my own opinion from what I’ve witnessed. I don’t think he’s best as the lead striker; incidentally, he agrees with that.
Fair enough. You are definitely wrong how you see Martial play though.
What do you expect from him should he come here?
I see him as an updgrade on Martial, to me he has all the tools that Martial has but he is better at almost everything. I think that with the likes of Bruno, Rashford and Antony he should have more opportunities to be the focal point instead of being an afterthought for Atletico and I expect goals and playmaking. Tonight there was a couple of times where Martial limitations were obvious, he had a very inoffensive shot that was easily blocked and he was ignored by I believe Rashford even though he was alone at the edge of the box, I think that Felix produces a better shot on the first occasion and Rashford is more likely to feed Felix because he is a more trustworthy sjooter outside of the box.
Cheers.
Takes Martial's spot from the sound of things.
Do you know anything about character/constitution?
Outside of what I have seen from him at Atletico, I can't really talk. I feel that he is often feisty and also stronger than he looks, a player with good balance.
OK. That's pretty essential (for me) as things aren't particularly smooth here or in the league despite us being on the upswing, and someone with his talent is more than likely going to be on the receiving end of a lot of rough treatment and poor calls that he'll have to have enough about him to not let it affect him or his game.
"He'd choose us if it was up to him I reckon. Bruno & Dalot etc"
I was just saying that I think for a loan move Arsenal has a lot going on for them. I do hope we get him though, but alas
money sucking glazers need to stump up the money for the loan. he'd bang in goals in ETH's system
I gave a wider response than that. Citing more playing time from less competition.
Yeah I suppose what is our cutoff figure
Buy Felix, sell Bruno in the summer. Sign osimhen in the summer and look for another AM that doesn’t give the ball away like Bruno
I don't doubt it, but not the post I quoted and was answering to. Similarly, I also mentioned more than just Arsenal being currently top, and that's what you answered to when you said that point is being overstated
Joan Felix is quality whenever I see him play. If there is a possibility of a short term loan deal and an option to buy, I would take it. With Ronaldo off our wage bill, I would assume there is no impact on our overall P&L. Rashford and Felix can easily swap role within the game. Martial is definitely not the person that I want to rely on. I would move him in the summer at a low price to get him out of Utd, that goes for Maguire as well.
Oh yeah I would totally agree with you
Any progress?
Arsenal are "stepping up" their interest in Félix according to both Matt Law and Sam Dean, which (to me) hints at them preparing an offer to submit to Atletico Madrid. That's all, though.
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