Joao Felix / on loan to Chelsea

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bosnian_red said:
I'd guess he'd be the same fee as any of the other top striker targets on the market. Osimhen, Martinez, Felix... Good luck for any being under 100m.
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At the same time, Felix has 15 goals in 90 games in La Liga and has left the pitch in 7 of his 8 games this season without a goal or an assist. His production is way behind the other two mentioned.

Felix has upside and flair and there are a lot of reasons to like him. Not saying we would get him cheap from Athletico, but so far he hasn’t been a 100m player. If you pay that for him it’s because you believe that he can turn into that player, which isn’t a given.
 
Felix is like a house somebody bought at the peak of a real estate bubble. He's always going to be overpriced because there is a limit to the loss Atleti will be willing to take.

I don't think he is the right mold of striker for the rest of United's personnel. United has wingers who like the ball to feet in front of the defense and to cut into the middle and two creative midfielders also occupying central spaces. You don't need a false nine player to also be dropping between the lines and joining an already crowded party in the middle of the pitch, you need a CF who will be relentlessly making runs into the box and into the channels, creating problems for opposing CBs and space for the other players.
 
I may be the only one here that thinks he'd be worth 100+ Mill. If Antony was 100, I think 100+ for Felix is fair.

His ability on the ball and his technique is incredible. He's also only 22 and is playing for a team that aren't exactly the most attacking, he reminds me of a young Kaka and definitely has balon dor level potential.
 
Would be an excellent signing
 
the_cliff said:
I may be the only one here that thinks he'd be worth 100+ Mill. If Antony was 100, I think 100+ for Felix is fair.

His ability on the ball and his technique is incredible. He's also only 22 and is playing for a team that aren't exactly the most attacking, he reminds me of a young Kaka and definitely has balon dor level potential.
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He's a forward who has one season where he scored more than 10 goals. He's now a squad player for a team than paid 120m for him and he hasn't scored this season so far.

How much would United get if they try to sell Sancho now? Almost certainly nowhere near the 85m they paid for him. We're talking about a player who had insane numbers for three seasons running before he made his move and was more proven than Felix.

I don't think it would be fair at all for anyone to pay 100m for Felix just because United overpaid for Antony.
 
It’s wild to me how many people are willing to write off one of the most impressive young strikers in years because he doesn’t shine in a Diego Simeone side. Haaland wouldn’t look like much in that side.
 
phelans shorts said:
It’s wild to me how many people are willing to write off one of the most impressive young strikers in years because he doesn’t shine in a Diego Simeone side. Haaland wouldn’t look like much in that side.
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The issue isn't that he hasn't shined while playing for Simeone, its that he is a second striker playing during a time when that position doesn't really exist anymore for most top clubs and managers.

If you knew you were buying a second striker the level of Cantona or Bergkamp then of course you would still want to buy them and just figure out a way to make it work tactically. But do you really want to spend 100m+ on a player who remains largely all potential but you will have to completely change your tactical system to integrate? Why not just buy an actual CF who you know has the skills and mentality to play that role?
 
Powderfinger said:
The issue isn't that he hasn't shined while playing for Simeone, its that he is a second striker playing during a time when that position doesn't really exist anymore for most top clubs and managers.

If you knew you were buying a second striker the level of Cantona or Bergkamp then of course you would still want to buy them and just figure out a way to make it work tactically. But do you really want to spend 100m+ on a player who remains largely all potential but you will have to completely change your tactical system to integrate? Why not just buy an actual CF who you know has the skills and mentality to play that role?
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We wouldn't actually need to change much to fit him in.

He can certainly do the job Martial does for us when fit in my opinion
 
Powderfinger said:
The issue isn't that he hasn't shined while playing for Simeone, its that he is a second striker playing during a time when that position doesn't really exist anymore for most top clubs and managers.

If you knew you were buying a second striker the level of Cantona or Bergkamp then of course you would still want to buy them and just figure out a way to make it work tactically. But do you really want to spend 100m+ on a player who remains largely all potential but you will have to completely change your tactical system to integrate? Why not just buy an actual CF who you know has the skills and mentality to play that role?
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I mean, we play like that for starters. Martial sure isn’t an out and out centre forward, he drops and moves around and makes space for Rashford, Antony and Bruno running in.
 
We desperately need a striker. And in a world where there aren’t that many good strikers left. He’s up there with the best. We’d be fools not to try him.
 
We really need a proper #9 like Osimhen IMO not another 9.5 like Felix.
 
Osimhen and Lautaro are technical and physical strikers, but talent wise Joao Felix is better than both. It's a tough one, but if used properly he could go onto have an Aguero like impact somewhere.
 
Powderfinger said:
The issue isn't that he hasn't shined while playing for Simeone, its that he is a second striker playing during a time when that position doesn't really exist anymore for most top clubs and managers.

If you knew you were buying a second striker the level of Cantona or Bergkamp then of course you would still want to buy them and just figure out a way to make it work tactically. But do you really want to spend 100m+ on a player who remains largely all potential but you will have to completely change your tactical system to integrate? Why not just buy an actual CF who you know has the skills and mentality to play that role?
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But isn’t that a bit of how Tadic plays too? Don’t necessarily think he is poor fit in ETH’s system. The big challenge for this team going forward will be to dominate the possession, that isn’t easy in the PL.

What it boils down to for me is that Felix of course has all the tools in the world, but does he have the tool box? Can he become an effective CF who on a regular basis contributes to 1-2 goals being scored per game, like Jesus for Arsenal?

There are countless of examples of amazing talents like Felix who never put it together and became effective players. It would be exciting to get Felix for sure, I am just not convinced that he is worth that much.

But with that said, I am far from convinced that AM will demand that much for him either. Like if a player isn’t working out for you — it just don’t turn around by itself. Almost always a bad situation just keep getting worse. I am not saying that nobody would pay 80m plus for Felix; but without any doubt there are not five teams out there that would pay 40m plus for him. There probably aren’t even three. I don’t know how high is value is today, but it can definitely still get a lot lower. AM could also be looking to cut their losses…
 
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I've really liked him whenever I've watched him, would be a dream signing for CF.
 
Jake said:
I think you’re wrong. He is an incredible talent.
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I 100% agree he is a wonderful talent. I just don't think he is a 100m+ player based on his form for the past couple season. Like other have said club that is prepared to pay 100m is for his potential, and not what he is now.

100m+ may be nothing for United, City or may be Chelsea without Abramovich but it is a big sum for other clubs, especially with the recession that is upon us. He doesn't have many options out there.

Do i want him in Arsenal? Sure, but his contract expires in 2026 so chance is extremely slim.
 
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ThierryHenry14 said:
I 100% agree he is a wonderful talent. I just don't think he is a 100m+ player based on his form for the past couple season. Like other have said club that is prepared to pay 100m is for his potential, and not what he is now.

100m+ may be nothing for United, City or may be Chelsea without Abramovich but it is a big sum for other clubs, especially with the recession that is upon us. He doesn't have many options out there.

Do i want him in Arsenal? Sure, but his contract expires in 2026 so chance is extremely slim.
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I think you're confused, for a player of Felix's ability 100+ mill is the price of todays market. Considering how much was spent on Sancho, Nicolas Pepe, Lukaku, Antony, Darwin Nunes.

He's still only 22 years old...
 
the_cliff said:
I think you're confused, for a player of Felix's ability 100+ mill is the price of todays market. Considering how much was spent on Sancho, Nicolas Pepe, Lukaku, Antony, Darwin Nunes.

He's still only 22 years old...
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I can only comment on Pepe. It was a scam and Arsenal got rip off, and there are unconfirmed stories about the departure of the director because of this.
 
João Félix is easily one of the mos talented players of his generation.

Félix in Man City would be unbelievable.

He is hampered by Simeone and atlético.
 
Probably a good player despite his underwhelming numbers, but wouldn't he be most effective as a false 9?

I don't see him working in a lineup with Fernandes in it. And Bruno won't be replaced by ten Hag in the next 2 years either IMO. With Félix we'd need 2 new CMs instead of just 1 next summer so we could play 4-3-3.

Maybe if we already had a De Bruyne / Odegaard profile in the team, and then added a de Jong / Bellingham type of player, then I could see Félix being wonderful as a false 9 ahead of the 3 midfielders. With Bruno, I don't see it happening.

We need a proper #9 and stick with the 4-2-3-1 for next season. I rate Bruno and he's my favorite United player alongside Martínez, but think he'll eventually be replaced when we find that long-term world beater #8, but that won't be anytime soon.

All in all, I think we'd simply need to change too much to accomodate Félix, but I could see him being great in the current Arsenal team for example.

Hope we go for Kane :D Him and Bruno would have insane numbers playing together.
 
Rojofiam said:
All in all, I think we'd simply need to change too much to accomodate Félix, but I could see him being great in the current Arsenal team for example.
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Arsenal doesn't have the fund for him. We urgently need a right winger and a CDM to compete/rotate with Saka and Partey
 
ThierryHenry14 said:
Arsenal doesn't have the fund for him. We urgently need a right winger and a CDM to compete/rotate with Saka and Partey
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Yeah, I just mentioned an example as to which system he'd thrive in IMO. I see him going to PSG if he's really gonna leave.

Also, Jesus and Nketiah are doing pretty well at the moment if I'm not mistaken.
 
Rojofiam said:
Yeah, I just mentioned an example as to which system he'd thrive in IMO. I see him going to PSG if he's really gonna leave.

Also, Jesus and Nketiah are doing pretty well at the moment if I'm not mistaken.
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It is just Arsenal has more urgent need in other areas. Felix is a wonderful talent, but very expensive.
 
ThierryHenry14 said:
I can only comment on Pepe. It was a scam and Arsenal got rip off, and there are unconfirmed stories about the departure of the director because of this.
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You misunderstood me it wasn't a dig at the Pepe transfer. I was just stating that these 100+ mill signings are the new norm for the best talented youngsters in the world.

Bellingham, Tchouameni, Nunez are more recent examples. If Nunez and Antony are 100 mill signings then there's no reason as to why Felix won't go for an amount higher. Despite not playing, Atletico aren't dumb and know of his ability and potential in a team better suited to him. I see people here saying we won't get 85 mill for Sancho but we'll defo get at least 60-70, he's still one of the most talented youngsters in the world, Managers and scouts know this.

Di Maria is widely known as a flop here but we still got our money back for him as we did for Lukaku, talented players such as Felix (especially at his age) will always have takers and teams willing to spend top prices to secure his talent.
 
I can see why it's a risk, and have watched him disappear in games as a 9 recently with Morata coming in and making an immediate impact, but he's really skilled and looks athletic in the air at times, so I think he probably will be pretty damn good by the time he's 25, and we might need a striker as good as him technically on the ground to play the kind of football Ten Hag wants and not just survive on the counter.
 
Genuinely can't be ars*d ever watching Atletico play unless they are playing against better teams so really don't know about Felix's position. But if we did bid for him over the summer, it couldn't have been for any position other than the striker position so if he were to become available, I expect us to come back for him.
 
It’s really hard to get over the fact he doesn’t score goals. Yes I know he plays in an extremely defensive team but it’s just speculation to say he would start scoring in another system. Very classy player to watch though.
 
Is he better suited playing in Bruno’s role or Striker for us?
 
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