Joao Felix / on loan to Chelsea

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We will end up signing a guy called Anton Flamingo from some Mexico team, whose scored 98 goals in 101 games for atlas reserves or some crap, then say we have been scouting him for 10 years
I used to watch Anton Flamingo a lot when he played for Club America. His numbers are insane. He’s only 24 and getting better each season.
 
They are silly not to accept. He is really overrated. They would have actually made a profit on him.
 
Why are we going for these players right now? Get these players when you have the squad and you want to add the icing and cherry on top.

We don’t need to be chasing fancy players that are going to cost 130million. Names that will want CL football. It’s unrealistic. Go and get those players who build a winning foundation. Not the fancy players, not even the magicians. Sturdy, solid, physical players. A dm is a must. A midfielder that links defence to attack is a must. A right back is a must, another winger and a striker but yet we’re linked to players like this. Got to be smarter than this this season.

We need 5 more players and we got 13 days to do it.
 
there's a piece on the Mirror website about this - and, having read it, I still can't really work out if he wants to come or not!
 
He broke both his thumbs during a game last year..he kept playing for a further 20 minutes before passing out.

What. A. Player.
A lot of people don't realize that Rashford's food charity was basically copying all the good charity work Anton did for the people of Mexico City. The difference is, Anton did it anonymously and was only unmasked much later by a journalist. We could really use more personalities like Anton in our team today.
 
A lot of people don't realize that Rashford's food charity was basically copying all the good charity work Anton did for the people of Mexico City. The difference is, Anton did it anonymously and was only unmasked much later by a journalist. We could really use more personalities like Anton in our team today.

I think I remember that period. The unmasking made major local newspapers everywhere in a 150 mile radius. Huge local news. Think your right about rashford doing a 'flamingo'.
 
Joao Felix signing will show intend to compete for the best talent but unfortunately, I think it is a smokescreen from Glazer. Remember Moyes quoted that he wanted to bring worldclass players to Utd but what happen in the end. I very much doubt this deal will go thru'. If it does go thru, I expect Joao alone can contribute 10 additional points for goals and assists. Rashford can sit on the bench or sold to the highest bidder which is likely none.
 
Sorry- I was joking there. As far as I know, he doesn’t exist, yet exists….what a player!

He's only the player our ravel could have been. Flamingo is an example to young kids. Hooked on glue when he was 10, he recovered to become the highly rated mediocre player that he is.
 
He's only the player our ravel could have been. Flamingo is an example to young kids. Hooked on glue when he was 10, he recovered to become the highly rated mediocre player that he is.
Would explain why the ball really sticks to his feet while dribling.
 
He's only the player our ravel could have been. Flamingo is an example to young kids. Hooked on glue when he was 10, he recovered to become the highly rated mediocre player that he is.
Wow.. I’m moved, Partridge, moved!
 
Pity, fantastic player. Simeone's system and injuries are slowing him down a bit, but the boy is special.
 
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Apparently wants out. Considering we tried to sign him in the summer apparently...
He's one I'm torn on tbh. He's looked best as a second striker and that's not a role that exists really for the best clubs. But he's so damn talented, and I think someone like Pep or EtH or Klopp would be the perfect managers to "invent" a position for him as a false 9 and fit him in to really bring the best out of him. Could he work as the lone guy up top here? He's capable of holding up and linking up play and drifting to be creative, really think it could work. But also could just be one where he doesn't take to that role in the Prem and he ends up being an expensive flop.
 
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Apparently wants out. Considering we tried to sign him in the summer apparently...
He's one I'm torn on tbh. He's looked best as a second striker and that's not a role that exists really for the best clubs. But he's so damn talented, and I think someone like Pep or EtH or Klopp would be the perfect managers to "invent" a position for him as a false 9 and fit him in to really bring the best out of him. Could he work as the lone guy up top here? He's capable of holding up and linking up play and drifting to be creative, really think it could work. But also could just be one where he doesn't take to that role in the Prem and he ends up being an expensive flop.

I think that we can liken him to Martial and we know that Martial works in ETH's current system.
 
Pass up on Felix. The cost would be excessive in light of what we truly need…an all out striker.
 
I think that we can liken him to Martial and we know that Martial works in ETH's current system.
Yes, but Martial is far more physical IMO. Felix I have my reservations can deal with defenders on his back, though he's talented as feck so I think he has the movement and intelligence and ability to turn defenders with how he receives it and just avoid the physical battles and be effective that way. But he can play with composure and calmness on the ball, slow things down, hold it with his technique and bring our other attackers into play that I really think he'd work well for a dominant possession manager as a lone striker.

At his cost, we're basically looking at Felix, Osimhen, Lautaro Martinez and deciding who is the best fit. All great ages, all offer very different qualities and would shape how Ten Hag wants to play.
 
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Apparently wants out. Considering we tried to sign him in the summer apparently...
He's one I'm torn on tbh. He's looked best as a second striker and that's not a role that exists really for the best clubs. But he's so damn talented, and I think someone like Pep or EtH or Klopp would be the perfect managers to "invent" a position for him as a false 9 and fit him in to really bring the best out of him. Could he work as the lone guy up top here? He's capable of holding up and linking up play and drifting to be creative, really think it could work. But also could just be one where he doesn't take to that role in the Prem and he ends up being an expensive flop.
This seems like an exact description of what we are trying to do with Kai Havertz …. If you wanna go down that road
 
Yes, but Martial is far more physical IMO. Felix I have my reservations can deal with defenders on his back, though he's talented as feck so I think he has the movement and intelligence and ability to turn defenders with how he receives it and just avoid the physical battles and be effective that way. But he can play with composure and calmness on the ball, slow things down, hold it with his technique and bring our other attackers into play that I really think he'd work well for a dominant possession manager as a lone striker.

At his cost, we're basically looking at Felix, Osimhen, Lautaro Martinez and deciding who is the best fit. All great ages, all offer very different qualities and would shape how Ten Hag wants to play.

I wouldn't say more physical because Martial is a finesse player that generally avoids contacts, now if you mean stronger when contacts do occur then I agree. But Felix is a bit more aggressive, mainly because Martial isn't aggressive at all, which to me compensate because Felix is more likely to pressure opponents and provoke mistakes with and without the ball than Martial.
 
Could play him up-top as a second striker beside Martial. I think that would work very well
 
I wouldn't say more physical because Martial is a finesse player that generally avoids contacts, now if you mean stronger when contacts do occur then I agree. But Felix is a bit more aggressive, mainly because Martial isn't aggressive at all, which to me compensate because Felix is more likely to pressure opponents and provoke mistakes with and without the ball than Martial.
Mean more that Martial has shown since day 1 he can receive the ball while holding off a defender on his back, basically posting him up, and then make a play afterwards. Pretty valuable to have a striker who can plant themselves in front of a defender, receive the ball with the defender on their back, and then make something happen. Especially in the premier league, the strikers need to be able to hold their own physically and receive the ball with their back to goal and a defender on them. I think he can, but he's usually played off a main striker, so that's what gives me pause over him, but he has all the skillsets where he could do that IMO. Also why Bruno as false 9 could never work, he's incapable of that skill.
 
I think that we can liken him to Martial and we know that Martial works in ETH's current system.

Different type of player. He doesn’t have the whole up ability or education to play upfront like a Martial/Benzema.
 
Different type of player. He doesn’t have the whole up ability or education to play upfront like a Martial/Benzema.
I think he has hold up ability just in a different way. And obviously he'd have to learn the role, but tbh I think he's perfectly suited to the role and he hasn't been at home in any other role in his career so far. A possession system would bring the best out of him, basically use him like Klopp used Firmino. Get Antony and Rashford/Sancho around him. Martial to rotate in there when fit as well and that'd be a fantastic group if 5 attackers for 3 spots to compete every game.
 
I think he has hold up ability just in a different way. And obviously he'd have to learn the role, but tbh I think he's perfectly suited to the role and he hasn't been at home in any other role in his career so far. A possession system would bring the best out of him, basically use him like Klopp used Firmino. Get Antony and Rashford/Sancho around him. Martial to rotate in there when fit as well and that'd be a fantastic group if 5 attackers for 3 spots to compete every game.

He’s a flair player but is he clever enough? I can honestly say I don’t know. He goes in the Mbappe category of player for me.
 
He’s a flair player but is he clever enough? I can honestly say I don’t know. He goes in the Mbappe category of player for me.
Yeah it's a risk, because it's more looking at the player he can be and hoping he just needs the right system for it. He has all the attributes to do it, he's always a menace against United, is supremely talented... It wouldn't surprise me if we go back in for him and use him as a false 9. But it's a risk. Though Osimhen from what I've always seen of him is like a battering ram striker but not much of a hold up play/technique guy. Lautaro probably the best blend in terms of style, but is he good enough in any of it would be my question.
 
Mean more that Martial has shown since day 1 he can receive the ball while holding off a defender on his back, basically posting him up, and then make a play afterwards. Pretty valuable to have a striker who can plant themselves in front of a defender, receive the ball with the defender on their back, and then make something happen. Especially in the premier league, the strikers need to be able to hold their own physically and receive the ball with their back to goal and a defender on them. I think he can, but he's usually played off a main striker, so that's what gives me pause over him, but he has all the skillsets where he could do that IMO. Also why Bruno as false 9 could never work, he's incapable of that skill.

I don't think Martial particularly uses his strength to do that - you'll rarely ever see him getting involved in a tussle with a CB. Martial's threat is that he's got sublime control, and if you get too tight to him there's a risk he might turn you.

Someone was trying to compare him to Toney a few weeks ago, and it makes no sense. Felix actually offers the same thing, close control in a tight space and a threat to turn his man inside out which buys him space.
 
I don't think Martial particularly uses his strength to do that - you'll rarely ever see him getting involved in a tussle with a CB. Martial's threat is that he's got sublime control, and if you get too tight to him there's a risk he might turn you.

Someone was trying to compare him to Toney a few weeks ago, and it makes no sense. Felix actually offers the same thing, close control in a tight space and a threat to turn his man inside out which buys him space.

That's my point while they are different players, the strengths of Martial that we use are similar to the strengths of Felix that we may use. It's all about their technical abilities.
 
Yes please. I’m confident we wouldn’t regret this signing. Felix needs the right environment for it to all come together, but if that happens - he will undoubtedly be an established world class striker for years. Great ability. And can hold the ball up too.
 
Yes please. I’m confident we wouldn’t regret this signing. Felix needs the right environment for it to all come together, but if that happens - he will undoubtedly be an established world class striker for years. Great ability. And can hold the ball up too.
I feel like it's between him, Osimhen and Lautaro Martinez for who our main forward target will be. And I agree that I think Felix is the most suited to Ten Hag, or what we/he wants to do to get us to the highest level. Osimhen I can see being a great goalscorer, but it would be a system where chances a funneled to him IMO, whereas with Felix it would just flow smoothly through the attack and help out our play immensely, and give us the star power individuality to make something out of nothing in attack too.

Would also make us pretty irrelevant as a team for trying crosses for headers, but anyway, we aren't great at that anyway.
 
Wonderful player, the issue is the transfer fee. He will be extremely expensive.
I'd guess he'd be the same fee as any of the other top striker targets on the market. Osimhen, Martinez, Felix... Good luck for any being under 100m.
 
I'd guess he'd be the same fee as any of the other top striker targets on the market. Osimhen, Martinez, Felix... Good luck for any being under 100m.
I remember he still has many years left in his contract and also A.Madrid paid over 100m for him, so they will want their investment back. For that kind of money there are only handful of clubs that can afford him, like Chelsea and United, and that's pretty much it.
 
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