Jesse Lingard

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He stayed for the last year of that big contract at United and knows he can command similar as a free agent next summer, he’s basically just written this season off as he knows he’ll only play cup games at best at United but hopefully this’ll teach the club to stop offering long term high wage contracts to players that aren’t good enough just to “protect their value” when no one will come in for them with a fee on top of big wages.
He signed that contract near the end of the 2016-2017 season. He made 42 appearances that season, with 40 the year before and 48 the year after. He was a regular first-teamer when his contract was extended, not someone stuck on the bench.
 
A new contract is in no way an assurance of some value being preserved and him being sold next summer. I'm not surprised by the club doing so, but pleasantly surprised that he seems to have rejected the deal in favour of actually playing football. I would have hoped that the new recruitment team would show more decisiveness with moving players on and rejuvenating the squad with hunger and talent that's on an upward trajectory.
 
I'm not surprised by the club doing so, but pleasantly surprised that he seems to have rejected the deal in favour of actually playing football.

No, it's in favour of more money. Either from us or as a signing bonus from his next club.

If this was about football he wouldn't have leaked the "contract rejection" to the media.
 
He stayed for the last year of that big contract at United and knows he can command similar as a free agent next summer, he’s basically just written this season off as he knows he’ll only play cup games at best at United but hopefully this’ll teach the club to stop offering long term high wage contracts to players that aren’t good enough just to “protect their value” when no one will come in for them with a fee on top of big wages.

Does it look like that? Cuz they were just looking to extend Lingard, no? Granted I don't know at what wages but surely this offer to extend shows exactly the opposite to what you said. Sigh.
 
Be more ruthless. Start entertaining offers from clubs, make it clear that Lingard has no future here. I’m sure clubs would’ve made offers if we’d made him available. The softly softly approach that he employs opens the doors for players like Lingard to take the piss and pick up paycheck after paycheck. See Phil Jones for another example.

Now we have a player that won’t play, won’t sign a new deal, with a dwindling transfer value and worst of all, will keep uploading shitty videos on Instagram.

We really need to start looking at how the likes of Liverpool and Chelsea flog players - we could learn a thing or two.
Chelsea still have Michy Batshuayi, Ross Barkley and Danny Drinkwater on their books. Liverpool have Minamino and Origi on their books also who barely play.
 
No, it's in favour of more money. Either from us or as a signing bonus from his next club.

If this was about football he wouldn't have leaked the "contract rejection" to the media.

The thought did cross my mind.
 
And 12 months more, Utd player level, exposure for his, ahem, brand.

Expect to see a lot of JlingZ initiatives this year, wait, wasnt there literally something on that front this week?

33 goals in 5 years as a regular, 13 of those coming in one season, after which he completely bought into his own hype.

Theres a footballer in there somewhere, but mainly the guys a fecking grifter, happy to continue to use his association with Utd to build his "brand" for another year, then pick up a signing on bonus somewhere on a free.
I’d now completely freeze him out and not let him train with the first team. Watch his value tumble
 
I just hope through threats of not renewing a contract due to playing time that Ole doesn't succumb to sentiment and play him more due to these threats.
 
Got no problem with Jesse running down his contract and leaving on a free. Honestly, I think his situation, like that of Pogba, has been grossly mismanaged. Overvaluing as asset to try to get the max price ending with the player running down the deal and walking out for nothing. Pogba should have been offered a new contract 2 years ago - if he had rejected it then we could have had some time to find a buyer for him at a reasonable price. In the case of Jesse, it's different. He hasn't been good enough for United for a few years now and we should have cashed in a long time ago.
 
He's probably going to do well enough against poor opposition, take the minutes off your VDBs and off that form, Utd will offer him a much better contract :(
 
Another sign of how weak Ole is as a manager. Why not just let him leave this summer? His sentimentality has cost us funds for an additional midfielder.

What do you mean just let him leave?

He has a contract so we can't force him to move if he doesn't actually want to leave.
 
Hard to fathom how we couldn't find a way to move him on this summer. Even a reduced fee is better than leaving on a free after a season contributing nothing. These decisions boggle the mind.
 
Hard to fathom how we couldn't find a way to move him on this summer. Even a reduced fee is better than leaving on a free after a season contributing nothing. These decisions boggle the mind.

It seems he doesn't wan to move. In which what can the club do? Pay out his contract?

Not likely.
 
The guy is like a fungus. We’ll be having the same discussions in four years time.

That's ridiculously harsh. He's a youth product who's always given his best, and has scored important goals for us. He's not good enough to be a regular starter, but that's not his fault. If he wants to run his contract down and leave on a free, that's absolutely his right. And if he's willing to be a squad player and not start that often, I have no problem with giving him a new contract
 
What do you mean just let him leave?

He has a contract so we can't force him to move if he doesn't actually want to leave.
He did not have a contract. His original contract expired in June 2021 but we fecking renewed it for a year...
 
That's ridiculously harsh. He's a youth product who's always given his best, and has scored important goals for us. He's not good enough to be a regular starter, but that's not his fault. If he wants to run his contract down and leave on a free, that's absolutely his right. And if he's willing to be a squad player and not start that often, I have no problem with giving him a new contract

I don’t think it’s harsh at all. The guy has had one purple patch in how many years at United now ? You are right though. If he wants to run his contract down that is his prerogative. But if he is lucky enough to get another contract at United you will be one of a select few happy about it.
 
Club run by cnuts. A player should never leave on a free unless he's a Mata type player at the very end of his career.
 
I too would run my contract down if I were him. Imagine being given a chance to train with Ronaldo for a year. That itself would add purchase to his wage demands in future if he joins a mid-table club.
 
United should never have offered him a new contract & shows just how poorly the decision makers are at OT.
 
I suspect he wants a big payday at another club when he signs on a free. He doesn’t have to look far for inspiration. I am sure the club wanted to sell him like we did with James and his performances at West Ham would have garnered some interest.

We probably want to keep him so we can sell him for some money next year but doesn’t look like it will happen.

I don’t think we have as many sellable players as Chelsea or Madrid who have a big rooster of loaned players and they can sell 2-3 of them every year. We probably have 3-4 sellable players (James, Lingard, Dalot, Martial) and sold one this window. Matic, Bailly, Jones, Andreas, Chong are not really sellable - at best they can leave for free but we probably see some value in keeping them around as backup or for a future payday.
 
I think he will be of interest in the winter window when cellar-dwellers are panicking and trying to save their Prem status. It might just be another loan though.
 
Lingard and Pogba leaving on free will serve as a lesson to all fans who would rather focus on any players' sob story then their actual contribution on the pitch. Most players care for their own interests. Its time for the club to do the same.
 
Why on earth didnt we use him as part ex for Declan Rice this summer or just sell him out right? I thought the whole Jesse thing was that he loved United so wanted to stay and fight for his place. We could have easily sold him this summer.
 
If Jesse wants to run his contract down, it is fine. However, for the love of God, do not offer him a new one. Let him move elsewhere and play regularly, while we move on and improve our squad.
 
Why on earth didnt we use him as part ex for Declan Rice this summer or just sell him out right? I thought the whole Jesse thing was that he loved United so wanted to stay and fight for his place. We could have easily sold him this summer.

Because we can only afford one mega transfer in Sancho. Rice is quoted to be 100 right? You trade in with Lingard you still have at least 75 million pounds to pay. Where do we get that extra money? Risk of not signing Varane?

No way.

We fixed the wing spots and center back spot this season, which is our glaring weaknesses last season. We can't have it all.
 
He's probably going to do well enough against poor opposition, take the minutes off your VDBs and off that form, Utd will offer him a much better contract :(
If he performs better than VDB and well enough to prove his worth, that's a good thing for Manchester United.

People are making this too personal with their hatred of Lingard. The irrationality of wanting to put him down more than the next poster is reaching religious levels of 'holier than thou' competitiveness.

Most internet memes follow the mob. But in the case of Jesse, the mob is following the memes.
 
Should have been out of the club years ago and not taking a few million for him this summer was idiotic
 
Of course, but you seem to upset people by telling it how it is with Lingard.

As far as I'm concerned, he can feck off out of the club.
And 12 months more, Utd player level, exposure for his, ahem, brand.

Expect to see a lot of JlingZ initiatives this year, wait, wasnt there literally something on that front this week?

33 goals in 5 years as a regular, 13 of those coming in one season, after which he completely bought into his own hype.

Theres a footballer in there somewhere, but mainly the guys a fecking grifter, happy to continue to use his association with Utd to build his "brand" for another year, then pick up a signing on bonus somewhere on a free.
Sad thing is he’s 29 soon and should be trying to make the most of whatever playing career he has left, if he was anyway serious about football he’d have pushed for a move a couple of seasons ago and at the very least this summer. I think it’s become abundantly clear it’s all about JLingz the brand and not football with him.
 
Don't see the issue in him running down his contract. Let's hope for a good last season for him here and then goodbye.
 
I’d rather him leave for free than be given a new contract in all honesty. Should have been training with the youth team all summer and forced to move we need to be more ruthless.
 
He should have been sold in the summer, even for 10m and not holding out for 25-30m like I'm imagining we were.

Take 2.5/-5m in January and let him move then instead of free in the summer with whoever he ends up signing a pre-contract with.

He'll likely end up back at West Ham or somewhere like Everton or Newcastle.
 
What like we negotiated for Romero last season or how we put a realistic price on for Pareira?

Exactly. Look how long we kept Darmian and Rojo hanging around. Nobody will get close to matching the wages we give these players and give us big fees. However, we don't learn.
 
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