I like Jesse but should drop to the bench today.
Jesse Lingard will have an excellent season | Discuss in his player performance thread
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It's like colourblind people telling everyone else that colours don't exist.
I was comparing the fact that just because he's not fancy and lights up the pitch doesn't mean that he's not an integral part of the team. Every single manager including SAF has seen something in him. So they're seeing something the majority of us don't.
The reddit post goes into detail as to why this may be the case. But because this is too detailed and analytical for the CAF, the CAF describes it as a 'Lingard Love In'
This forum is a place that thinks Pogba is cr*p and should be dropped and didn't contribute much, despite being top assist and top goal scorer last season. Yet because he's flash and has a fancy haircut, that means he IsNt fOcUseD oN HiS FoOtBaLl.
Dan James two weeks ago was being praised as the next best thing. His second game. SECOND GAME for United, he started and then people were saying he'll never make it here and that he'll be a squad player.
So to use your phrase yes the CAF clearly seems like the place that wholly "understands the nuanced aspects of football for sure"
Could say the same about Smalling and Jones. Pretty sure Lingard will not be a starter in 12 months
Don't compare Carrick to Lingard. That just isn't right.
I read a stat where in the last 6 years at the premier league Adam Johnson has more assists and goals than Lingard and Adam Johnson has been in jail for those 3 years.
Not even near being his fan or anything, dont think i even mind him as a player but he cant be playing as a number 10, he just doesnt have the main tool for it. And if you play him as RW, just like Mata, he will be in that area for like 43 seconds and then slowly move towards middle, zero fecks given.
Sorry but I really hate posts like this, just more of the "anyone who doesn't agree with me is just a caftard whose only understanding of football comes from FIFA'. Attack the post, not the poster.
There is a lot of black and white thinking that goes here, phrases like 'the caf thinks this' blah blah. I agree there's a lot of posters here who go absolutely overboard with their criticism of our players, but segmenting a large collection of opinions under one banner merely shows that you are a poster who is incapable of dealing with any sort of complexity.
Lingard is a good squad player but he's not good enough to be a first teamer in my and many others opinions. Theres plenty of content about why this opinion has been reached, so attack these or deconstruct them, rather than whitewashing everyone who doesn't share your opinion as having some kind of learning disability; which is frankly just really insulting and contributes nothing to the debate.
Thank you for telling me the ins and out of pro football. As you say, us armchair fans are the worst.
Yeah no. You're not fooling anyone with this one. Off ball movement isnt sufficient as a lone skill to have. Even in his new #10 role he isn't doing it right. A number 10's off the ball movement should actually be geared to getting back on the ball and making oneself available as an outlet to the adjoining midfielders and attackers. Not running in the other direction from where the ball is
Anderson was the European Golden shoe and was a top talent in his age group. Career didn't turn out as hoped, but at one point, did have great potential.
Lingard is what Lingard will always be, a decent squad player at a top 6 side.
I certainly feel privileged to have the posting equivalents of Bielsa, Guardiola and Arigo Sacchi on this forum to educate us caftards on the evolution of modern football and the pre-pre-preasssisting off the ball genius of Lingard. What a blessing!
He’s an okay squad player but he epitomises the mediocrity we’re currently so comfortable with. Needs replacing with a huge upgrade
Lingard just doesn't have enough as an attacking player. Yes, he does have certain abilities, but he's also limited. And when he plays, those limits are shown and also limit the entire team. It's just the way football goes. Teams tend to be better when they have more players who can do several things at a high quality.
It's actually been scientifically proven that Lingard's off the ball runs have a hypnotic and stupefying effect on opposition defenders rendering them temporarily incapable of fine control motor movements. You god damn caftards!
98%
"The 98%" is the greatest thing I've read on here for ages 
Yet, only inside those 2% has there ever been scored a goal.
What an absolute crap. Dragging down Michael Carrick, one of the most cultured midfielders England has produced in the past 20 years in order to defend Jesse Lingard who is a worse player than Andros fecking Townsend. Yeah people don't understand football clearly and you are the one seeing the proper picture.
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Played really well against Chelsea and was arguably our best player in the first half against Wolves... He didn't let them settle at all and his pressing and disruption of their attempt at possession was the key reason we were so dominant in that first half.
But Wolves changed it up, Lingard's pressing became less advantageous to us and he had a poor first 20-mins of the second half, like most of our players did.
It's understandable why fans stick it to Lingard... most of his work is done off the ball and some fans can't, for the life of them, give credit for anything done off the ball. They are only interested in what happens to a player when the ball is at their feet (which is only 2% of any player's performance). Jesse is a disruptor.. a chaser - which is a key attribute required in Ole's gameplan. In fact, Lingard does this better than anyone in our squad. Yet, fans can't see it. Some fans can't see it; I should say. They can't even see that Ferguson played Lingard, LvG played Lingard, Mourinho played Lingard, Ole, Southgate - they all play Lingard because he is vitally important to them. Yet blokes with anonymous usernames on football forums can't see it.
I would suggest that Jesses a measuring stick to see if fans truly understand the game. If you think Jesse is a bad player, you don't get it. If you see the performance in Lingard (like Fergie, LvG, Jose, Ole, Southgate do.. then you understand the nuances of football and don't just judge a player on the 2% of the time they are in possession).
So people who share your opinion, understand the game, and those who don't, don't. The closer someone is to your opinion on Lingard, the better they understand the game
How can anyone with a fine set of eyes watch that "performance" and say he played well enough is the issue here. Anything said after that is a pointless waste of time.
Yeah something like that Mick. And you are a Jesse Lingard hater in his eyes most probably
What is this mess?
Mess... it’s absolute genius. I love this He genuinely believes he’s stumbled upon something profound with this 98% nonsense
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What makes good players good, or great players great, is what they do with that 2%, otherwise Lee Cattermole was a star.
You really don’t understand football at the very top level if you don’t understand that the 2% is what separates the decent from the best.
98% means Ronaldo, Zidane, Messi, Ronaldinho and many others are a bit ”meh”, cause it’s the 98% that matters to SAF, Mourinho and LVG
You really don’t understand football at the very top level if you don’t understand that the 2% is what separates the decent from the best.
98% means Ronaldo, Zidane, Messi, Ronaldinho and many others are a bit ”meh”, cause it’s the 98% that matters to SAF, Mourinho and LVG
Tha main arguments used to defend Lingard with is the "he has world class movement and works hard.", followed by "works hard, world class at pressing." If those arguments fail it is "You dont understand football if you dont rate Lingard."
He is a bad player. His so called world class movement, hard working and pressing should be done by a player who is able to score or assist. Look at de Bruyne or Portugese Silva at City, they also work hard, press and move around but they are also world class on the ball. These are is the type of players Manchester United needs... not Jlingz.
Which orifice did you manage to pull this one out of, and if you haven't noticed LvG and Mourinho have been sacked because they were so bad at managing United . Ole has yet to have a long enough run and will hopefully realise the problem and Southgate will beat Panama in the WC.
Agreed.
If football has progressed to the point that modern tactics relies on a player with no end product in the final third to be an attacker then the sport is doomed.
"You don't understand football if you don't rate X" is a phrase I would expect to be completed with Zidane, Cruyff, Xavi or something like that but hell, to do that with Jesse fecking Lingard...
Wonder why no-one thought of having a player who runs around like a headless chicken for 98% of the time and who could play football as well for the other 2% - what a combination!
He was goofing around as Lindelöf was being interviewed by mutv just now. I wish he'd take his job seriously. If he had scored a hat-trick recently then I'd forgive the court jester routine.
How was he goofing around?
shouting at Lindelöf to put him off, this is at Carrington presumably yesterday
@JoaquinJoaquin 3rd game today. Let's goooo
From a probability POV, we sure are getting closer to that good gameI think today might be the day he finally has a good game
I feel like today is the day he breaks his drought. Probably still going to run in to positions where no one can get the ball to him and not run in to actual helpful space as well as never taking the responsibility of taking on the killer pass or just not seeing it.
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