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Why do people keep bringing up whether he would be signed if he played for another club or not? The point is he is a good squad player that understands what the club is about. People want a manager that understands the club but dont want the same for the players?
Every manager picks him. That says more than anything someone on the Caf can say.
Every manager picked Felliani as well. And Jones. And young.
no he wouldnt. He would have been one of those that we saw once during an early FA cup game and then spoke of only when we faced him again at his new lower league club.
Of course he would. He's no worse than players like David May, John O'Shea, Danny Welbeck, Phil Neville or a host of other players who weren't quite good enough to be nailed on starters but made a career here because they could do a job and had the right attitude.
His mediocre/bad games FAR outweigh his good ones. When people say “if he played for another club would we want to buy him”, it’s hard to argue. And similar to that, if you heard he was going to leave, would any United fan actually care? Honestly the only real reason I wouldn’t want him to leave is that he’s best mates with Rashford. It’s not enough. That said, I don’t want him gone or anything, but for the position he plays we need someone better. You can have a John O’Shea if they play full back.
It's really not that absurd TBH, we've had more talented players moved on way faster. Out of the top 6 clubs he's got to be 1 of the worst attacking options in a starting line up.Right! He's been kept around because he has friends in high places
I swear these posts get more absurd each day.
Dont fecking quote me after trying to wind me up either .
.Yeah, he is, hes much worse. And his attitude is "ill run around a lot". Hes fooled everyone into thinking hes something special in much the same way the Kardashians did, using celebrity. He had a short purple patch, and milked the feck out of it. Now its all about celebrity and very little about the football. Maybe he could have kicked on, but that ship sailed once his head was turned by social media and clothing lines. Maybe if he had kept his head on football, and ignored the distractions. I used to agree with you that he could be a great squad player, but that belief has gone with every shit performance hes put in. Id swap him with welbeck in an instant.
In his last thirteen games he has recorded one goal (a tap in) and one assist (a two yard pass to Pogba who scored from outside the box).
That's not even surprising for him either. He's completely mediocre.
That's not even surprising for him either. He's completely mediocre.
The Tom Cleverly of attackers. The very definition of a nothing player. Comes up with a great moment half a season and his stock rises.
Yes, Rashford is really Deep Throat
He's leeching out the club 400k every month. Just incredible.
He "understand what the club is about" or so some have said. He should quit then, if he truly understand what an attacker supposed to do for Manchester United.
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He regularly goes 15-20 games where he'll score once or twice. Last season he scored one goal after January. The last 3 or 4 months of the season he was useless.
He's supposed to be an attacking creative player for Man Utd. It's unbelievable how often he's allowed to just contribute nothing for months at a time.
Well he was playing well at number 10, behind Lukaku. Was a major part of our team actually. Then people start crying about Pogba having to play in a three man midfield. When that happens Lingard is now playing as a fake 8/10 and having to play deeper. Then the form dips and goals stop happening. Now when does he ever play as a number 10?
Obviously he gets no credit when he played in a central false 9 position either but whatever.
Obviously he gets no credit when he played in a central false 9 position either but whatever.
Lingard always plays in the middle, playing as False 8/10? He is playing as attacking mid with 2 wide forwards playing higher than him. That set up was used in few games and that was as close as playing as a 10 behind striker.
Also his last few games,
Vs Arsenal
Vs Leicester
Vs Spurs
Vs Wolves FA cup
Wolves - PL
These are few of his last games which he completed. Except vs Spurs, he always played as a 10, his best position.
Lingard always plays in the middle, playing as False 8/10? He is playing as attacking mid with 2 wide forwards playing higher than him. That set up was used in few games and that was as close as playing as a 10 behind striker.
Also his last few games,
Vs Arsenal
Vs Leicester
Vs Spurs
Vs Wolves FA cup
Wolves - PL
These are few of his last games which he completed. Except vs Spurs, he always played as a 10, his best position.
I am talking about him generally since he had his good form last year. When he was moved from a starting 10 position. Obviously his injury and him coming back has affected him, the same way it has for someone like Herrera.
Doesn't matter where his name is mentioned on paper, he always plays centrally.
There is a difference between drifting into a central position and starting as a number 10 as he did when he took Mkhi's position.
Yes but that's true in case of Lingard who stays centrally most games. He is playing in his best position but he is not producing numbers.
No because being that player that drifts into a central area is different from starting as a number 10 and having another player occupying the spaces to the right of you. Which is what Mata did and was when we had a pretty damn good home record.
I think we've been shit for so long now people have forgotten what an attacking creative player should be producing for Man Utd.
Lingard is what? 26/27? It's absurd how it seems okay for a supposed senior player to regularly go months contributing nothing
Lingard is what? 26/27? It's absurd how it seems okay for a supposed senior player to regularly go months contributing nothing
Spot on, don't expect that we will sell him with Mata probably leaving and Sanchez being a bigger problem, but he should be doing more.
Under Ole he got 3 goals (2 v Cardiff, 1 v Arsenal) and 3 assists (1 v Cardiff, 1 v Huddersfield, 1 v Burnley) in 857 minutes. A goal/assist every 142 minutes. And half of his combined goals and assists came against fecking Cardiff in his first game under Ole. Those numbers are poor for a supposed attacking player.
Interestingly, Martial also has 6 goals + assists under Ole so he should be scrutinised too. Rashford and Pogba have been the only ones who have been pulling their weight under Ole, and even then they've fallen off recently. Our attack really needs work.
Doesn't matter where he plays, he's a bang average limited footballer. And as @roonster09 pointed out, he mostly plays in that position and generally has the freedom to roam. It's just another excuse, he has had so many bad games, regardless where he plays.
On another note, does playing him in a different position will improve his passing, dribbling, shooting, close control? Add to that that he's not fast nor strong enough and you have Jesse Lingard.
He is a good player but shouldnt be a starter. We need to get a right winger this summer (i think we all agree on this). He is a good squad player, can play in different positions; we need a player like this with all the competitions we play in. He has scored some important goals in his career as well.
Curiously, Martial has never been voted MotM on here under Ole - and Lingard hasn't been all season.
I already explained the difference between starting at number 10 and drifting into that position. Obviously though, positional concerns and excuses are only reserved for other players.
Like Lingard but good movement alone isn't a primary trait. Especially if it's not accompanied with production.
I've been wanting to sell Mata and Lingard for a while now. As long as they are here they will do a job on the right when a manager wants a safer option. Even in their supposed best position as a no.10 they aren't good enough.
I'll be interested to see chance creation or key pass stats for Lingard. If they're low then all he's doing is having good movement without really doing anything with it.
You’ve got served his actual playing position very nicely, now you are just selling bollocks. According to you he’s a number 10 who actually plays at number 10. Can’t actually pass longer than 4m, can’t create shit with the ball, can’t dribble nor turn, weak on the ball, average at shooting and not fast enough. Yeah he can run when arsed. That’s about it.
and how many managers have continually picked mata on the right, even though he has been shit there pretty much every time? Literally something even the base fan knows when seeing mata in the starting lineup on the right-it is not going to work.
Because if we wouldn't buy them if they were at another club, why should we pretend they are good enough just because they came from our academy.
Ole has a weird obsession for Lingard. Starts whenever he's fit and plays 90'm for several game where he's been so poor. Hope this was just because he doesn't have better options now.
The team is currently on a poor run of form and we have been struggling to build from the back which is hurting our forwards. Our football has been a bit unconvincing since the game against PSG were he got injured, and playing twice against a team like Wolves since his return has neither helped us nor him and his recovery. We desperately need him and our other important players to get into their groove again and find some form especially as we get closer towards this tough run-in.
Academy mentality and all that shit. Howany top clubs would he get minutes for?
Well we don't know.
If you dont understand the difference between starting out wide and starting at number 10 then what can I say. The same thing happens with Mata. If you start at number 10 there is still another player occupying the right hand side. You hate Lingard anyway so what is the point of even discussing this with you.
Well it actually did work in home games last year if you look at our home record but people didn’t like how we played under Jose. People were dying for Rashford to play on the right until it became apparent that it didn’t really work.
What the heck does that it even mean, and how does Jesse demonstrate that? By being an utter bellend on social media? Here's an example that pissed me off at that time as we just missed out on top 4 a few years back.
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