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2017-18 Performances

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5.8 Season Average Rating
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48
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13
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8
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The goal was fantastic but IMO his overall performance was great yesterday.
He is not a winger, the no. 10 is probably his best position, with his movement and intelligent play.

Always liked him. Maybe not a superstar but always good to have these kind of players in the team.
 
So we are in November and he has 4 goals and 4 assists. I would love to see some consistency from him now and to push for near 10 goals and 10 assists by the end of the season. That would be a very good return from a squad player.
 
If he can replicate performances like that regularly - not necessarily the goal but his overall play - then he could be some player. He's went a fair way this season for me to change my mind about him. We've been crying out for this sort of performance from Miki and Mata.
 
Reiver said:
If he can replicate performances like that regularly - not necessarily the goal but his overall play - then he could be some player. He's went a fair way this season for me to change my mind about him. We've been crying out for this sort of performance from Miki and Mata.
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I kind of disagree. He actually needs to add some numbers to his game given he's an attacking player. Yes, all that buzzing around and hassling defenders is great and all but he needs to work on his end product and I would love if he could get some decent numbers for himself this season.
 
Robbie Boy said:
I kind of disagree. He actually needs to add some numbers to his game given he's an attacking player. Yes, all that buzzing around and hassling defenders is great and all but he needs to work on his end product and I would love if he could get some decent numbers for himself this season.
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A goal or assist every 95 minutes on average this season. How much more productive do you expect a squad player to be?
 
Classical Mechanic said:
A goal or assist every 95 minutes on average this season. How much more productive do you expect a squad player to be?
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Weird. I stated a few posts above that I'm happy with his output so far and he should be aiming for near 10 goals and 10 assists by the end of the season :confused::confused::confused::confused:
 
Robbie Boy said:
I kind of disagree. He actually needs to add some numbers to his game given he's an attacking player. Yes, all that buzzing around and hassling defenders is great and all but he needs to work on his end product and I would love if he could get some decent numbers for himself this season.
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This season his numbers are good. 4 goals and 4 assists in 700 odd mins. That's a good return.
 
He needs to get better at his goal celebrations... He had no idea what to do with himself last night.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
The point of my post is that his numbers are great already, relative to his game time.
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They're fine yes. I never said they weren't, sooo? My point is that he needs to show a-lot more consistency to his game and to keep us these numbers. If he gets to around the 10 goal and assist mark by the end of the season then that'll be a good output from a squad option. My point was a direct response to that other poster: We all know he's capable of buzzing around and being a nuisance and that's great, but he needs to push on and keep these numbers up for the season.
 
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Yup as I said it is. I was talking about the need to keep up with these kind of stats.
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10 goals and 10 assists is bit ambitious for a back up player, I would be happy if he can get 15 goals + assists. If he plays regularly then yeah 20 is a good number.
 
roonster09 said:
10 goals and 10 assists is bit ambitious for a back up player, I would be happy if he can get 15 goals + assists. If he plays regularly then yeah 20 is a good number.
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I don't think it is really. He's already on 4 goals and 4 assists and we aren't even halfway through the season. Depending on cup runs, there's plenty of games left for him to get near enough 6 more goals and assists. I don't think he will get to ten in either but he should be aiming for in and around that number; I think they're pretty fair standards for a player that will play 40 plus games. I would just love to see him really push himself as we know he can do all the space finding etc.
 
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I don't think it is really. He's already on 4 goals and 4 assists and we aren't even halfway through the season. Depending on cup runs, there's plenty of games left for him to get near enough 6 more goals and assists. I don't think he will get to ten in either but he should be aiming for in and around that number; I think they're pretty fair standards for a player that will play 40 plus games. I would just love to see him really push himself as we know he can do all the space finding etc.
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40 plus games is a good number to point out, but it's not much when he comes on 10-15 mins in every game. Go by number of mins and starts. Like I said, if he gets run of games instead of Mkhitaryan and Mata then 20 is a good number.
 
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40 plus games is a good number to point out, but it's not much when he comes on 10-15 mins in every game. Go by number of mins and starts. Like I said, if he gets run of games instead of Mkhitaryan and Mata then 20 is a good number.
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Well it depends on minutes obviously, but that's the point. If he can keep up with good numbers then there's absolutely no way Mkhitaryan is getting back into the team ahead of him considering how abysmal he has been lately. If Lingard can add consistency to his game and play more like he did yesterday then I see no reason he can't play more games and thus get better numbers.

He got what, 5 goals and 4 assist last season and he got a fair number of minutes so he's drastically improved on his numbers already. I think there's a tendency to have far lower expectations for certain players and they can get away with good work rate etc, but Lingard has shown what he can do, so he needs to do it more often.
 
Robbie Boy said:
Well it depends on minutes obviously, but that's the point. If he can keep up with good numbers then there's absolutely no way Mkhitaryan is getting back into the team ahead of him considering how abysmal he has been lately. If Lingard can add consistency to his game and play more like he did yesterday then I see no reason he can't play more games and thus get better numbers.

He got what, 5 goals and 4 assist last season and he got a fair number of minutes so he's drastically improved on his numbers already. I think there's a tendency to have far lower expectations for certain players and they can get away with good work rate etc, but Lingard has shown what he can do, so he needs to do it more often.
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Maybe because of how many goals are scored by our attackers in the last 3-4 seasons? Sort of agree, expectations are bit lower maybe because of last few years.

Yesterday set up and the way we played against Chelsea at OT was good for him. No fixed position, sort of all over the place in a good way to link up play and offered lot of movement. Hopefully we see more of this.
 
roonster09 said:
This season his numbers are good. 4 goals and 4 assists in 700 odd mins. That's a good return.
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Does he really have 4 assists this season, i thought it was 3?

Either way his numbers are good this year he's on course to double his goals/assists from the last two years.

Coming in and out of the side as he's done this season and being used as a squad player might actually be beneficial for him as opposed to playing more regularly.
 
stevoc said:
Does he really have 4 assists this season, i thought it was 3?

Either way his numbers are good this year he's on course to double his goals/assists from the last two years.

Coming in and out of the side as he's done this season and being used as a squad player might actually be beneficial for him as opposed to playing more regularly.
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Vs Leicester, Everton, Watford and then 1 against Burton in League cup.
 
Rado_N said:
People get too caught up with stats.
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I agree I watch Jesse when he plays and he’s a mile of being a regular if we want to be title winners. I don’t care about stats like he got an assist last night when in reality it wasn’t the best ball to Young. But credit where due I’d be delighted for Jesse to start producing performances like this that would make him a regular but it ain’t happening.
 
roonster09 said:
Maybe because of how many goals are scored by our attackers in the last 3-4 seasons? Sort of agree, expectations are bit lower maybe because of last few years.

Yesterday set up and the way we played against Chelsea at OT was good for him. No fixed position, sort of all over the place in a good way to link up play and offered lot of movement. Hopefully we see more of this.
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Well the same applies to the likes of Fellaini etc; what's expected of them isn't a-lot which can in turn cause people to have far lower expectations of what players at this club should be doing. Lingard has improved on last season which is a bonus but I would like to see further improvements from him and for him to really push on.

Yeah I agree. He isn't suited to the wing and most of his good performances have come when he's played centrally.
 
Lawman said:
I agree I watch Jesse when he plays and he’s a mile of being a regular if we want to be title winners. I don’t care about stats like he got an assist last night when in reality it wasn’t the best ball to Young. But credit where due I’d be delighted for Jesse to start producing performances like this that would make him a regular but it ain’t happening.
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The ball wasn't the best but he did well to control the ball, keep it and distribute it under pressure. Young scored a cracker but I thought Lingard did well in that phase of play.

He also created 6 chances, granted these will vary in quality as all it requires is an attempt at goal coming off his last ball but it indicates that he was involved in much of our attacking play. The team only created 5 other such chances between them.
 
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This season his numbers are good. 4 goals and 4 assists in 700 odd mins. That's a good return.
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Lukaku, Martial, Rashford, Lingard and Pogba have great numbers this season. I really can't remember the last time we had so many attackers contributing as we have this season. The problem is far too many people (fans, pundits and the media) have painted this bullshit narrative about us being "a poor, negative team" which is simply not the case.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
Lukaku, Martial, Rashford, Lingard and Pogba have great numbers this season. I really can't remember the last time we had so many attackers contributing as we have this season. The problem is far too many people (fans, pundits and the media) have painted this bullshit narrative about us being "a poor, negative team" which is simply not the case.
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Yeah, all attacking Liverpool scored 2.05 goals per game last season, this season ManUtd have scored 2.28 goals per game. I think yesterday in post match this question was asked, will the media ever stop this "Jose is defensive manager" thing.
 
Tom Van Persie said:
Much better than Mata and Mkhi at number 10.
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Nah. Mkhi scored quite a few of these goals last season and was on fire at the beginning of this season. Yes, he's been off the boil recently but Lingard also tends to have 1 really good game followed by 3/4 average ones. And Mata has played most games on the right.

All three have been inconsistent this season but they're talented players with different strengths and we should expect more from them.
 
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Nah. Mkhi scored quite a few of these goals last season and was on fire at the beginning of this season. Yes, he's been off the boil recently but Lingard also tends to have 1 really good game followed by 3/4 average ones. And Mata has played most games on the right.

All three have been inconsistent this season but they're talented players with different strengths and we should expect more from them.
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Lingard has 3 more goals and 2 less assists I'm half the minutes Mkhitaryan has played this season
 
Nick7 said:
Lingard has 3 more goals and 2 less assists I'm half the minutes Mkhitaryan has played this season
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Yeah, don't get me wrong, Lingard has been good in patches and when he reaches his peak, he can do some incredible things. Similarly, Mkhi was just as effective in the first 5 or 6 games this season and has hit a road block since late September. I just feel both (and Mata) have been a little inconsistent and have much more to offer.

Moreover, when people come out and say "Lingard is far better than player X" it's normally because they've always underrated him. I'd class myself in the set of fans who have always seen potential and ability in the lad; contrary to popular belief, he offers us a lot and isn't a championship level player.
 
system suited him yesterday, he's far better in 3-4-3. We can bin Mkhitaryan & Mata and keep him as a back up for Ozil or another world class number 10.

But hey it's his first goal in the league this season.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
Yeah, don't get me wrong, Lingard has been good in patches and when he reaches his peak, he can do some incredible things. Similarly, Mkhi was just as effective in the first 5 or 6 games this season and has hit a road block since late September. I just feel both (and Mata) have been a little inconsistent and have much more to offer.

Moreover, when people come out and say "Lingard is far better than player X" it's normally because they've always underrated him. I'd class myself in the set of fans who have always seen potential and ability in the lad; contrary to popular belief, he offers us a lot and isn't a championship level player.
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Yeah true. Was just giving a little colour to the form of both this season. Mkhitaryan had a purple patch at the start of the season and hasn't been able to pull away from Lingard in a purely numbers point of view, even with twice the game time.

I'm one who thinks Lingard has actually done really well when called upon this season and there's very little to complain about when he does play. I think he gives our attack energy and creates space, even when he'd not putting up numbers he's making options by pulling defenders away from other forwards who are putting up good scoring and assist numbers.

I'd love to see Lingard kick on and consistently produce goals and assists but I think for now what he's bringing to us is good enough for his limited game time.
 
Danny Murphy wasn't far off raving about him on 5Live last night - and this is before he scored. Said he deserves far more opportunities, knits together a lot of attacking movement & shouldn't be playing out wide. Also said his timing of forward runs was exceptional. But as I say, it was Danny Murphy.

There wasn't an awful lot of defending going on for the goal but I thought JL beautifully moved the final defender towards the other defender in order to create the space he could move into to shoot. Very subtle but brilliant, takes the 2nd DF out of the game by persuading the 1st one to block him out.

Can't be left out after that.
 
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Since when did the expectations of a squad player become so high? He was one of our best players in an away game versus a mid-table team, that's what you want from a squad player. You want your star players to perform against Arsenal at the emirates not Lingard.
 
Did not watch the match, only the highlights, but he was looking very good. I have already said this, I think Mourinho rates him highly. So, now that he has performed well, he will definitely get more chances ahead of Mkhi and Mata.

But, here come the difficult part, he will have to maintain this level of performance, for a few more matches at least, and not fall back into mediocrity.
 
I don't like him as a wide player because his movement and one touch passing are his strongest facets. When we play him wide he only normally has the option to beat the man or pass it back and he's not great at going past people because he's not exceptionally fast so he usually takes the safe option. He offers a fair amount in the number 10 role, his one touch passing and movement can be put to good use and he certainly gets into better positions over the likes of Mata or Miki. He's not a bad finisher either, I certainly wouldn't be against him playing as a ten behind a front three of Rom,Rashford and Martial for some of the easier home games we have this season to see how he performs before bringing on Zlatan as the 10.
 
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