So your point is that Mkhi can pull off the extraordinary, but the last time he did it was last season against Tottenham ?
The match against Huddersfield was a team effort, not a case of one playing failing to perform.
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So your point is that Mkhi can pull off the extraordinary, but the last time he did it was last season against Tottenham ?
The match against Huddersfield was a team effort, not a case of one playing failing to perform.
Fair fecks to him, he was excellent yesterday. Yet it was Swansea but he was our best player by a margin and stepped up.
Based on current form I'd even prefer him to Micky against Spurs..
Based on current form I'd even prefer him to Micky against Spurs..
If he could maintain this consistency he'd be such a fantastic player for us. Lingard's best assets for me are his directness and willingness to receive the ball, he's very technically accomplished and capable of intricate fast passing and is a clinical finisher. I think he's best when allowed freedom to interchange and swap wings, the times i've been frustrated with him have come when he's been shackled to the right wing. He definately has a place here when part of an attack that can swap positions.
Did well. Took his goals well, showed some good link up play. Deserves to keep his place this weekend ahead of miki and mata. awful celebration though
Great goals last night, deserves a lot of credit for that. Would not be surprised to see him start on Saturday at all.
Great game last night. Credit where it's due.
Well he is here for 17 months and he has had good matches, the goal against Tottenham first came into mind, he also scored in the Europa final if I'm not mistaken. He was one of three along with Pogba nominated for player of the tournament for the Europa. Generally I don't rate Mkhitaryan as most of United fans but in all honestly he is a much better player, more proven and capable of things Lingard can only do on his PlayStation.
And I'm not sure why you got so fired up about Mkhitaryan, I said in the first place I'd rather see Fellaini back and none of the two start. Nobody said the match against Huddersfield was Lingard's fault either. He was bad, as were number of others. My opinion about Lingard wasn't based on last week's performance, as it isn't on last night performance either. He isn't good enough to be at this club. Sooner you realize that the easier reality will be when he ends up at his level at Watford, battling for a starting spot, like Cleverley does at this moment.
Played very well last night so credit to him. Do I want him starting this weekend though? Definitely not. He will revert to type in the Premier League games.
He is decent squad player and I agree that his movement and link-up play are underutilized.
Same with Rashford, who is very erratic dribbler, but actually brilliant link-up player. Team should more often play for their strenghts by increasing pace of ball movement, instead of hoofing long balls to Lukaku.
Same with Rashford, who is very erratic dribbler, but actually brilliant link-up player. Team should more often play for their strenghts by increasing pace of ball movement, instead of hoofing long balls to Lukaku.
I think you'll have a hard time finding any United fan who thinks his best position is on the right wing. He is quite clearly more comfortable in the centre.
You can get interlocking bricks now that don't need mortar.
I agree ref what he's capable of, i just don't think he's anywhere close to delivering it at the moment.
Lingard is good enough to be a squad player here
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This is a fantastic point. Lingard seems to reserve his goals and good performances for cup competitions. He has never looked like a Premier League player. He played well vs Swansea and Southampton in the League Cup Final last season.
Once you put him in a Premier League game vs top opposition his confidence in front of goal disappears. He would be a fantastic player if his off the ball ability matched his ability on the ball.
I don't care about his personality, his salary all of those things are irreverent. He seems like very nice person who does a lot of good work off the field.
We can only judge him on his football ability alone, he scores goals vs poor opposition and seems to reserve it for cup competitions. He doesn't score regularly enough or effect games in the Premier League.
I think that's where he can start to prove people like me wrong. At the end of the day Utd are not going to into seasons for a FA Cup or League Cup. Our challenge is always to win the Premier League and the Champions League, and if the possibility to win a League/FA Cup comes along, great.
When it comes to the Premier League I've not seen anything in Lingard to suggest he is going to do something when he starts or comes off the bench. I would love to be proved wrong, I'm sure he has earnt a start vs Spurs on the weekend. It would be great to see him take his mid week performance into a big game like that. That is one way he can start to prove all his doubters wrong.
His movement is so good, if he could just show this end product more consistently and improve his final pass he could edge out Mkhitaryan and Mata for the number 10 spot.
Jesus Christ. I know fans are fickle and all but it was only last Saturday that he actually started a league game and was absolutely rotten, thoroughly abysmal. Let's not get carried away after two goals in the League Cup.
That should apply to Mata and Mkhitaryan as well then. The games against Liverpool and Benfica were team efforts, not just a case of individual players were failing to perform.
Lingard was diabolical against Huddersfield and it would be insane to risk starting him against a team of Spurs' quality.
You put Mata against Spurs and the game will just pass him by and Mkhitaryan is so low on form/confidence we might as well be playing with 10 men.He scored 2 good goals last night and linked up well with Rashford and Martial, that is more than enough reason to give him a chance against Spurs.
The whole team was rotten against Huddersfield on the weekend anyway at least he upped his game last night which is a step in the right direction.
Two fantastic finishes from him yesterday. Good performance.
Who said it doesn't apply to them ? Mkhi came on second half and was completely invisible, i'm not sure how thats better
So that was his one good performance in 10, not looking forward to the next 9 games 
Great article on Lingard.
http://www.espnfc.com.au/club/manch...ted-worth-again-so-wheres-the-supporters-love
Quite frankly, its time fans got off his back. He'll never be world class, but he works hard, and deserves more respect. He's a squad player, he's being used like a squad player, and providing useful contributions when called upon.
http://www.espnfc.com.au/club/manch...ted-worth-again-so-wheres-the-supporters-love
Quite frankly, its time fans got off his back. He'll never be world class, but he works hard, and deserves more respect. He's a squad player, he's being used like a squad player, and providing useful contributions when called upon.
Look, you start arguments and bring things into the debate that i didn't say, but I don't want to leave things unsaid. Fair play to Lingard for last night. I would have credited him as he helped this team win.
If you check this thread you will find my first post after the match with Huddersfield, and see what I had to say about him and starting. I didn’t blame him solely for the loss , it was a collective feck up. So don't try to deflect from the original argument.
With regards to Mkhitaryan as I saidm I don't rate him as highly as some and even started a thread back when I was in the newbies, referring to how much United fans overrate him, as he is not in the same class compared to some of our rival players in the same positions. But if I have to choose for our current team going in a difficult game as the one on Saturday while we struggle to score goals and create, I'd choose even an off form Mkhitaryan over Lingard. Let me put it this way, if we had a consistent LW (not young players like Rashford and Martial) and number 10 starting for us, maybe I would go with Lingard. But when our team is as it is, we must give ourselves the biggest chance to score. And that is by playing our best players.
Regarding if he is good enough to be a squad player, maybe we have different expectations from squad players. Fellaini is a good squad player, so is Blind, they offer something different and are much better players in their respective positions . Lingard offers nothing a 19year old talented winger from the second team can't provide.
At least we know that Mkhitaryan is a good player who is capable of good things. Lingard is... well, he's Lingard. His ceiling is a good solid 6/10.
He was excellent last night. Needs to change that celebration though
He was excellent last night. Needs to change that celebration though
I like the celebration. The more often I see it the better.
This thousand times. A squad player being used as a squad player and contributing well enough. It's something to be happy about, not upset.
I’d be happy to let him go. Thing is nobody would be as stupid as us to pay him £100,000 every week.
I think Lingard is the sort of player who falls victim to the fan mentality that we should have a world class player at every position, which is of course completely unrealistic since no club does, and that's not how football works anyway.
Lingard has played well in about 5 appearances in 3 year this is not changing soon.
That’s not even close to true.
There is a middle ground between world class players and Lingard.
There's also a middle ground between Mata and Messi. I don't worry about that sort of thing. As long as Mourinho believes in the player that is sufficient for me.
Not really. In probably our best team ever during the 06-09 period, Park and Brown were two of my favourite players in the world. I like Lingard - I was a big advocate of giving him a chance in the first team a couple of seasons ago, and he played really well yesterday, but I'm not sure he's good enough to even be a squad player for where we want to be.
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Clearly Mourinho and Woodward believe he is otherwise they wouldn't have signed him to a big fat contract extension.
Really don't understand why the guy receives so much ire from United fans.
He's a great squad player who's actually seems happy to be a squad player. He's contributed some very important goals (some really nice goals,too), doesn't seem to kick up a fuss when not played for a sustained period of time and shows great dedication, work rate and attitude.
Never going to be a ballon d'or winner but fulfils his place in the squad very well. Seems like a genuinely nice guy, has an affinity towards the club and the fans that is all too rare, and can play in a few different positions.
A fantastic pro.
He's a great squad player who's actually seems happy to be a squad player. He's contributed some very important goals (some really nice goals,too), doesn't seem to kick up a fuss when not played for a sustained period of time and shows great dedication, work rate and attitude.
Never going to be a ballon d'or winner but fulfils his place in the squad very well. Seems like a genuinely nice guy, has an affinity towards the club and the fans that is all too rare, and can play in a few different positions.
A fantastic pro.
Because he's not very good and many of us think our squad players should be of a higher quality.
I'm also a nice guy and have an affinity towards the club so that in itself is not very valuable.
No one is always right. I'm not saying I know better but they could get it wrong as no ones perfect. I think a squad player should be able to come in and play at a decent standard against anyone when needed, but whenever Lingards on against decent to good teams he shrinks and offers little to nothing. He did have that game at home to Chelsea, admittedly, but his good performances are so far apart and inbetween his standard isn't good enough in my opinion.
Yeah, well, we're on a discussion forum. If we can't debate things we have no influence over, we might as well close the whole thing down.
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