Is this because Hargreaves mentioned it in commentary the other day? Mata does the same thing. And every other player who's played on the right in recent months. It's a deliberate ploy to free up the rightback. It shouldn't come as any surprise that Valencia is often one of the most influential players in the team. Lingard's ability to draw men away from the right flank was partly responsible for Young's MOTM performance a couple of games ago.
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Mata plays it almost the same yes, but his purpose is much clearer. He gets involved, finds good triangles and spaces to attack. Lingard doesn't seem to have any idea on where he's going. One moment was particulary visible in the first half versus Blackburn, he passed a 10 yard pass to the left for Martial, and then he jogged towards him. Brought with him an extra defender, and basically closed all areas for Martial to attack the fullback, which made Martial have to pass it back and start again.
He's passing without purpose, he's running without purpose, and his game time has become very limited because of it.
As for MOTM performance for Young, are you talking about Blackburn? He did very well defensively, but he wasn't all that going forward. Won two free kicks in a dangerous position, that's about it.
His contribution this season is a very good goal against Leicester in the Community Shield, an assist at Leicester in the 4-1 Pl match in October.
A goal (the 4th) and an assist against Fenerbahce in the EL, a goal against Feyenoord (the 4th) in the EL and the cross for Zlatan against WBA before Xmas. That's it.
He played in 38 games last season, starting 32 , a perfect LvG player, short passes usually backwards or sideways. He was better last season and is getting worse.
This season he's played in 23 games starting 15.
I gave Young MoM as well because he had so much to do on his own with no help.
He's 24 , the closest comparison we've had is with Richardson, who left us when he was 22, who had 8 England caps before he left. He was not good enough to be a squad player at United either.
At the very worst, he's a continuity player who puts in a shift to allow his teammates to concentrate on getting forward. He rarely puts a foot wrong. That's good enough for a squad player.
If you want to be hard-nosed about it, his status as an academy graduate also adds to the overall aura of what it means to be Manchester United Football Club. It's important not to lose that even if we sacrifice a tiny amount of quality in the process.
Yes it would be nice if academy players break through and become United players, but there are many that don't make it and just being an academy player is not enough to justify being an integral part of the squad. He has been more than a bit part squad player - if he was to stay his role in the Feyenoord match where we lead comfortably, he comes off the bench for the last part of the game and manages to grab a goal and rest one of the main players.
His off the ball running does not help the team and more hinders it, in general we play much better when he's not involved. We play like an LvG team when he is.
With the problems hopefully now sorted with Mkhi and Martial plus having Mata and Rashford to fill the wide roles who are all considerably better than him, his presence should be less and less.
As Mourinho likes smaller squads and with the possibility of signing other forwards in the summer, I don't see a role for him past this season.
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I don't think I'll ever be able to fathom why Lingard is genuinely seen as a good player by anyone. I can get liking him because he's a local lad and all that, but he's just not good at football.
He's like Mkhytarian only if Mkhytarian was a bit rubbish and stank up the place more often than not.
He literally has a tiny bit of pace and runs about a lot, he's not worthy of a squad place to me, I'd be looking to sell him on this summer and get a right winger in to compete with Mata there.
He's like Mkhytarian only if Mkhytarian was a bit rubbish and stank up the place more often than not.
He literally has a tiny bit of pace and runs about a lot, he's not worthy of a squad place to me, I'd be looking to sell him on this summer and get a right winger in to compete with Mata there.
Man United grateful for presence of Jesse Lingard in era of supreme egos
-ESPN article
Manchester United's successes down the years have been marked by outstanding performances from their stars, but the club would be nowhere without its squad players -- those who can step in at any moment, without fuss, and diligently perform precisely what is asked of them. Some clubs don't manage the balance of their squads particularly well, a task that requires a careful mix of temperament and talent. That is why, in an era of supreme egos, Jose Mourinho may be particularly grateful for the presence of Jesse Lingard.
Lingard is the successor, in terms of his place within the pecking order, to professionals like Nicky Butt and Phil Neville. In terms of playing style he is sometimes reminiscent of Jesper Blomqvist, the roaming Swedish winger who gave United much-need thrust in the final third.
Lingard has had a good season, not a remarkable one. On the whole, he has been above average -- if he were to be marked out of 10, he would probably find himself at about a seven. But seven is what United so often need.
Against St. Etienne in the Europa League, with Marouane Fellaini looking ponderous against the visitors' fleet-footed midfield, Mourinho introduced Lingard at half-time. The England international's drive and dynamism helped to provide the platform for his team's 3-0 victory, a scoreline that is about as deceptive as Old Trafford will see all season. United could have conceded a late equaliser before Zlatan Ibrahimovic made the game, and most probably the tie, safe with a couple of goals. Before that point, it was Lingard who helped to stretch and spread the play, as Marcus Rashford made the breakthrough for United's crucial second.
Lingard has had his low points this year. Like Henrikh Mkhitaryan, he endured a poor first half against Manchester City at home in the derby loss in the Premier League, a game where City at times appeared to be playing a game from the realms of science fiction. More subtly, and more recently, he struggled badly against Blackburn Rovers in the FA Cup, with too many passes going astray, and if there is a phrase that can be most commonly applied to his play this year it is that "his execution is not as good as his work ethic."
Yet, in Lingard's defence, it is difficult to see how it could. Alongside Antonio Valencia and perhaps Ashley Young, he is one of the club's most diligent role players, filling in without fuss and with limited playing time. Though technically gifted, he does not possess the bewildering skill of Rashford. However, he offers intelligent movement off the ball, shrewd defensive positioning and considerable speed on the counter-attack.
Lindgard can also point to the decisive goals that he has scored in the course of United's recent history, most notably the spectacular strike that claimed the club's first trophy of the post-Sir Alex Ferguson era, the 2015-16 FA Cup. That was a rare moment when Lingard, ever the willing lieutenant, took centre stage -- a moment overshadowed by the dismissal two days later of Louis van Gaal.
His goal, coming as it did at the end of a uniquely tedious season for United, did not receive the fanfare it deserved, nor was the trophy greeted with the elation that many might have expected. But this triumph, in retrospect, was possibly more important than it seemed at the time. United had finished fifth in the league, scoring only 49 goals -- their lowest total since 1989-90 -- and their season's DVD looked to have precious few highlights. For a moment, it seemed as though they might stumble into a lost decade, where silverware evaded them at almost every turn. Paul Pogba and Ibrahimovic would take all the headlines later that summer, but Lingard was crucial in restoring some measure of the club's confidence.
Lingard's humble demeanour may also come from the fact that he has lasted the course against significant odds. There was a time when Danny Welbeck and Michael Keane were regarded as finer prospects, but they have now found homes elsewhere, at Arsenal and Burnley respectively. Meanwhile, Lingard somehow persevered, making the best of loan spells at Leicester, Brighton, Birmingham and Derby County.
There may be more than a moment or two when he, despite his obviously robust self-belief, cannot quite believe that it all worked out, such were the obstacles before him. Now, though, Lingard has a value to the squad that goes beyond the mere numbers, or even the pitch. He has apparently been vital to Pogba's settling in on his return to Old Trafford and he is a very good stand-in when Juan Mata, for example, is withdrawn late on and United need further pace and width. Should United go on to greater success both this year and next, Lingard's name will not be on the billboard -- but it will surely be there, proudly and boldly, among the supporting cast.
-ESPN article
Manchester United's successes down the years have been marked by outstanding performances from their stars, but the club would be nowhere without its squad players -- those who can step in at any moment, without fuss, and diligently perform precisely what is asked of them. Some clubs don't manage the balance of their squads particularly well, a task that requires a careful mix of temperament and talent. That is why, in an era of supreme egos, Jose Mourinho may be particularly grateful for the presence of Jesse Lingard.
Lingard is the successor, in terms of his place within the pecking order, to professionals like Nicky Butt and Phil Neville. In terms of playing style he is sometimes reminiscent of Jesper Blomqvist, the roaming Swedish winger who gave United much-need thrust in the final third.
Lingard has had a good season, not a remarkable one. On the whole, he has been above average -- if he were to be marked out of 10, he would probably find himself at about a seven. But seven is what United so often need.
Against St. Etienne in the Europa League, with Marouane Fellaini looking ponderous against the visitors' fleet-footed midfield, Mourinho introduced Lingard at half-time. The England international's drive and dynamism helped to provide the platform for his team's 3-0 victory, a scoreline that is about as deceptive as Old Trafford will see all season. United could have conceded a late equaliser before Zlatan Ibrahimovic made the game, and most probably the tie, safe with a couple of goals. Before that point, it was Lingard who helped to stretch and spread the play, as Marcus Rashford made the breakthrough for United's crucial second.
Lingard has had his low points this year. Like Henrikh Mkhitaryan, he endured a poor first half against Manchester City at home in the derby loss in the Premier League, a game where City at times appeared to be playing a game from the realms of science fiction. More subtly, and more recently, he struggled badly against Blackburn Rovers in the FA Cup, with too many passes going astray, and if there is a phrase that can be most commonly applied to his play this year it is that "his execution is not as good as his work ethic."
Yet, in Lingard's defence, it is difficult to see how it could. Alongside Antonio Valencia and perhaps Ashley Young, he is one of the club's most diligent role players, filling in without fuss and with limited playing time. Though technically gifted, he does not possess the bewildering skill of Rashford. However, he offers intelligent movement off the ball, shrewd defensive positioning and considerable speed on the counter-attack.
Lindgard can also point to the decisive goals that he has scored in the course of United's recent history, most notably the spectacular strike that claimed the club's first trophy of the post-Sir Alex Ferguson era, the 2015-16 FA Cup. That was a rare moment when Lingard, ever the willing lieutenant, took centre stage -- a moment overshadowed by the dismissal two days later of Louis van Gaal.
His goal, coming as it did at the end of a uniquely tedious season for United, did not receive the fanfare it deserved, nor was the trophy greeted with the elation that many might have expected. But this triumph, in retrospect, was possibly more important than it seemed at the time. United had finished fifth in the league, scoring only 49 goals -- their lowest total since 1989-90 -- and their season's DVD looked to have precious few highlights. For a moment, it seemed as though they might stumble into a lost decade, where silverware evaded them at almost every turn. Paul Pogba and Ibrahimovic would take all the headlines later that summer, but Lingard was crucial in restoring some measure of the club's confidence.
Lingard's humble demeanour may also come from the fact that he has lasted the course against significant odds. There was a time when Danny Welbeck and Michael Keane were regarded as finer prospects, but they have now found homes elsewhere, at Arsenal and Burnley respectively. Meanwhile, Lingard somehow persevered, making the best of loan spells at Leicester, Brighton, Birmingham and Derby County.
There may be more than a moment or two when he, despite his obviously robust self-belief, cannot quite believe that it all worked out, such were the obstacles before him. Now, though, Lingard has a value to the squad that goes beyond the mere numbers, or even the pitch. He has apparently been vital to Pogba's settling in on his return to Old Trafford and he is a very good stand-in when Juan Mata, for example, is withdrawn late on and United need further pace and width. Should United go on to greater success both this year and next, Lingard's name will not be on the billboard -- but it will surely be there, proudly and boldly, among the supporting cast.
Don't agree with that article. He hasn't had a 'good season' at all. He has been poor, going on very poor if truth be told.
Whole article sounds like they are trying to convince themselves that Lingard is useful. They don't even attach their name to it for god sake.
Whole article sounds like they are trying to convince themselves that Lingard is useful. They don't even attach their name to it for god sake.
Exactly, saying he's been above average this season and has a good one is just not true.
Saying he's a good stand in for Mata when United need width is untrue.
And again, filling in with limited playing time is a bit of a stretch. The whole of last season after breaking through, he was a starter. Before Mkhi broke through two months ago, he was as least as likely to start as Mata, Rashford or Martial.
So painting him as a guy who'll be happy to play a minimal part is premature, only this calendar year has seen his appearances become that of a squad player. So we have no idea how he'll come to terms with fewer appearances.
The whole article is like it was written by his agent.
Exactly. And that is only because he hasn't had a good game in months. I firmly believe that if he had played well in even a couple of those games, Then he wouldn't be as far out of the starting line up as he rightly is now.
That isn't really true though as they all played a considerable amount of more minutes than him.
A month ago these were the goals + assists ratios for them
Martial minutes per goals + assists = 138.67
Rashford = 176.625
Mata = 156.45
Lingard = 152
Mkhi = 167
Rooney = 110.13
If I look at the first twenty league games, he was injured for the first 3 so for the following 17 PL games he started 9. That's roughly the same as the other 3 so I believe it was fair claim.
Looking at the minutes now he's rightly dropped off, as his form has not warranted more appearances.
And we play in more competitions than just the league. When I calculated a month ago, Martial had played 33% more than him and Rashford and Mata even more, quite a bit more even, especially in Mata's case.
Don't understand your point though. Your stats are a month old, He has been poor and contributed next to nothing in numerous games since.
He has played 23 games this season and been poor in about 17 - 18 of them. That's all that matters.
The discussion is him playing as much as Mata, Rashford and Martial up until 2 months ago which just isn't true. Of course the stats are old because we're talking about a past time period.
And I disagree he has been poor in that many.
I don't think his agent or even Lingard himself is this delusional, has to be one of the fanboys from this thread, good laugh anyway
Ha ha...Lingard to start in League final. This should rile up the haters.
Watch him repeat last season's FA cup goal...everyone will cheer, then next season everyone will complain about him being a squad player that starts in games where our starting RW can't play.
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Watch him repeat last season's FA cup goal...everyone will cheer, then next season everyone will complain about him being a squad player that starts in games where our starting RW can't play.
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Let's hope he finally has a good game today.
What the feck are 'haters'?
People who know he's not very good at football
The last two times Jesse's played at Wembley for us he's delivered. Let's hope he does it again.
Go on Jesse! 
Games not even kicked off and people are getting their digs in on him 
The King of Wembley starts for us today! He'll deliver.
Been awhile since he did anything of note, I think he is average at best and praying he has one of his better games.
It begins.
Go United!
Go United!
Can't live a full season of poor performances off one goal, let's hope he has a good game like everyone else
Make it 3 please. I hope he delivers, but not confident
Hoping he produces his rare fluke for the sake of the team. But nothing will erase the evidence already etched on the slate - he's awful.
I'll get behind him for today.
I'll get behind him for today.
People who refuse to dine off a goal he once scored and choose to look at things with more breadth than "but cup final goal..."
I've defended him but the reality is he hasn't done enough this season with the chances he has been given. I still think he could make it here as a squad player but if I'm honest that is more of a hope and a wish than a reasoned opinion backed up by facts.
Another Wembley winner would do very nicely today Jesse (if you're reading)
Another Wembley winner would do very nicely today Jesse (if you're reading
)Hoping he'll keep up his Wembley form. Probably more post here from people complaining about haterz....rather than people actually complaining about Lingard.
Don't rate the guy really, but he's better without Mkhi, they are working in the same spaces, so hoping he'll step up today.
Don't rate the guy really, but he's better without Mkhi, they are working in the same spaces, so hoping he'll step up today.
Actually I put more weight in his Community Shield goal. Yeah, it was only against Leicester, but it was one of the top 3 goals of the season.
Got to love the match day thread
The haters can't stand this!
The haters can't stand this!
Right decision to start him today. He's essentially a budget Mkhitaryan and is in the team to bring some of the qualities Mkhitaryan would usually offer. Nowhere near as good, obviously, but that's what he's here for given his squad role.
The term haters should be banned from the forum.
fecking cringeworthy.
I wouldn't have started Lingard but he's got a big chance today. Hope he makes it 3 in 3 at Wembley!
fecking cringeworthy.
I wouldn't have started Lingard but he's got a big chance today. Hope he makes it 3 in 3 at Wembley!
Got to love the match day thread
The haters can't stand this!
What is a hater? I don't rate the guy, he gets praised by many for running around a lot. He's end product often leaves a lot to be desired and apart from the odd moment of quality, he's far to wasteful when given opportunities. Does that make me a hater?
Got to love the match day thread
The haters can't stand this!
I've went through the match day thread and there are like 3 or 4 posts bemoaning his inclusion.
This 'haters' fantasy people have about Lingard is absurd. His quality has been questioned in this thread, but there is minimal abuse today. I at least only care about the team winning, hope he has a stormer.
Don't be such a hater, brah.
He's a big step down from Mkhi that's for sure but I have feeling he'll do well today. Fingers crossed.
Him starting frustrates me for sire, but he's in now so I'm obviously desperately hoping he has a stormer.
Guessing all these "haters" feel the same as me @xplatformjedi
Come on Jesse!!
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