League Cup or FA Cup?
Jermain Defoe on a free transfer
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I was thinking a big European trophy Europa League. Heaviest of all UEFA trophies.
Voted yes. Not a huge fan of Defoe but LVG absolutely gutted the forward line. Going from RVP, Rooney, Chicharito and Welbeck with Falcao coming in on loan, it is amazing the lack of striking options at the club when he left.
The club needs options in attack and most importantly someone who can score goals. That doesn't come cheap, so an experienced goal scorer on a free is a really good option.
If Ibra leaves, United will have two young kids as the only striking options going into the summer. There is huge work to do on the attack and maybe it can't all happen this summer.
The club needs options in attack and most importantly someone who can score goals. That doesn't come cheap, so an experienced goal scorer on a free is a really good option.
If Ibra leaves, United will have two young kids as the only striking options going into the summer. There is huge work to do on the attack and maybe it can't all happen this summer.
Given that he won't be a regular starter here (perhaps 3rd choice), I would suspect he could earn similar amounts elsewhere.
I have no idea about his priorities, so perhaps you're right. On a free transfer, it can't exactly go that wrong, as long as he's brought in addition to another first team forward.
Would Love him at Utd on a free, really surprised so many voted no.
He deserves a season or two at the top after the way he's handled this part of his career.
He'd happily come here as a PL back up, Domestic Cup option for £100k a week, and that bloke will fecking score goals.
In front of goal he's a natural goal scorer who's gotten better.
He deserves a season or two at the top after the way he's handled this part of his career.
He'd happily come here as a PL back up, Domestic Cup option for £100k a week, and that bloke will fecking score goals.
In front of goal he's a natural goal scorer who's gotten better.
No I don't want our title and champions league campaign to be on the shoulders of a still young and developing 19yr old and another striker who has spent the last couple seasons wide left and this season underwhelmed?
I'm sorry is that too much to ask? Are we no longer supposed to have a strong squad?
The other day i watched Chelsea bring on Cesc and Willian while against arsenal we brought on Jesse fecking lingard.
So Martial rashford can rotate and support a heavy weight such as griezman.
Griezman rashford martial? Sounds good to me Martial can still fill in wide left as he has done
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The way I see it:
Positives
Cheap - No transfer fee
Experienced - Extra bit of guidance for Rashford and co.
Poacher - Bound to pick up a few goals here and there (not looking at much more than double digits)
Would accept squad role - Not unsettling for any of Martial, Rashford etc.
Negatives
Age - No long term value
Quality - Good enough to start for a mid-table/ low PL side not good enough to start
While I can see why people might want him, I think the biggest issue is that by accepting sub standard players we set a dangerous precedent. When we brought in Ibrahimovic he was one of the best strikers in the world despite his age, even when we brought in Michael Owen a few years back, he had experience beyond Defoe's and a peak that was far higher. If we are to say that Defoe is a United squad player the I think we are moving in the wrong direction.
So for me lets not befriend Defoe and lets look elsewhere.
Positives
Cheap - No transfer fee
Experienced - Extra bit of guidance for Rashford and co.
Poacher - Bound to pick up a few goals here and there (not looking at much more than double digits)
Would accept squad role - Not unsettling for any of Martial, Rashford etc.
Negatives
Age - No long term value
Quality - Good enough to start for a mid-table/ low PL side not good enough to start
While I can see why people might want him, I think the biggest issue is that by accepting sub standard players we set a dangerous precedent. When we brought in Ibrahimovic he was one of the best strikers in the world despite his age, even when we brought in Michael Owen a few years back, he had experience beyond Defoe's and a peak that was far higher. If we are to say that Defoe is a United squad player the I think we are moving in the wrong direction.
So for me lets not befriend Defoe and lets look elsewhere.
Poor response.
You left out the part that Hernandez probably got around 1-2 chances in his 15 minutes playing in a fast, attacking, gung-ho final 15 minutes Fergie United side, and Defoe probably got about 1-2 chances in his 90 minutes playing for an awful, slow, uncreative, defensive Sunderland side.
But okay.
Should have signed him 10 years ago.
You do not see the big difference between bringing Cesc and Willian on late versus bringing Defoe on late?
Instead of Tevez?
Completley disagree, but lets agree to disagree on this
Good pro. Still got good pace. Good off the ball movement. Not had many bad injuries in his career. Looks like he gives a shit every game. Might offer us something.
Wasnt good enough in his prime, so lets pick him up as his career is winding down?
Would he even want to move to us given hes not got long left, may prefer to get games rather than be a back up.
Would he even want to move to us given hes not got long left, may prefer to get games rather than be a back up.
Defoe is no Zlatan. No, thanks.
Yer they are twice the player he is and the standard our squad players need to be
This is the same as when Ighalo from Watford scored some goals last year and loads of ppl wanted us to sign him.
Have a higher standard for gods sake
Have a higher standard for gods sake
come on that comparison is terrible. Defoe has been scoring goals for yrs in PL, Ighalo had what 1-2 seasons in PL.
btw I don't see any genuine chance of this happening, but why wouldn't you be happy to get an experienced goal scorer who would be prepared to be probably 4th choice. Our workload if we make the CL will be tough, he'd be ideal for league cup type games to ease that workload. If it happens I'd be fine, if it doesn't I'm sure we'll survive
As an option off the bench when looking for a goal? I'd take him.
Would prefer resigning Chicha, if possible, however.
Would prefer resigning Chicha, if possible, however.
What about Llorente as another option?
No way Jose
Why apologise? I don't want you to be sorry. I just wanted to understand fully what your proposal was. Frankly, I don't care if you want to buy a whole new team, or play the under 23's. It really doesn't affect me, or the team, that much. I am however, just curious. There's not much emotion behind the question though.
It is currently my understanding that you would prefer Rashford was a "backup" to a "heavyweight such as Griezmann", with Martial third in line for the central forward position. You are happy enough though for Martial to also "fill in wide". Is this also in a "backup" manner?
Perhaps the confusion comes down to language. I personally view "backup" as meaning squad player, but not a first teamer. So I'd be surprised (but not shocked) if supporters wanted Martial and Rashford to have limited game time next season. If what you mean though, is that they would not be given the responsibility of scoring the majority of our goals (like Ibrahimovic this season) then that's a little different. I wouldn't call that backup myself, as I feel that forwards that don't score a lot of goals need to be great chance creators. So I'd consider playing wide as being part of the supply line rather than backup. E.g. Beckham & Giggs weren't backup to Yorke & Cole, that was Sheringham & Solskjaer imo.
I'd love to see us sign someone like Griezmann, partly because of how exciting it could be to see him line up with either/both of the other two. I would be personally disappointed if Martial and Rashford weren't central to next season's plans though, as I feel they have the potential to light up the grandest of stages.
Centrally, this was a discussion about Defoe. He could be good to grab a goal, and wouldn't cost us much. That's not me aiming to have a weak squad, it's just recognising that sometimes (especially when there are injuries), no matter how good you are, you just need someone who can find a yard of space and put the ball in the net. It's the most coveted skill in the game, and he has it.
110 people wouldn't mind this, but James Rodriguez isn't wanted by the majority of the caf. Right.
We are talking about a possible difference in price of £60m, much as I'd quite like someone like JR in our squad, I just don't know that he should be our biggest transfer outlay this summer.
Even a worse idea.
Even if James cost 60m and Defoe was on a free, it should still be the former. Can't believe that shitty players like Defoe and Llorente are actually considered. I can perfectly understand some people's reasoning for not wanting James and arguing about his fee, but there's no argument that makes Defoe at 34 remotely good enough for a team that has aspirations to win trophies.
Is Defoe better than Rashford or even Martial? no he isn't.
- Would Defoe be first choice? No, not good enough.
- Would Defoe be backup for a new striker we bring in? No, we have a 19 year old potentially world class player who needs minutes at number 9, his talent is wasted on the wing.
- Would Rashford be first choice with Defoe as back up? Doubt Jose would trust Rashford to lead the line yet.
- Would Defoe be third choice to Rashford and a new striker? Doubt he'd want to spend the last couple of years of his career as a bench warmer.
I simplify this, I would like our summer recruitment to include a top class striker, wide player and a CDM
so rashford is not #1 but will get game time just like he has this season and will likely be trusted by Jose more for rotation.
Martial will most likely stay a wide option but he is more than capable of playing up front should Griezman (arguments sake) and rashford be unavailable at the same time or squad rotation purposes.
A wide player to give us some depth as we have no natural wide players, martial mata mhiki and a new wide player would be nice as I'm sick of lingard stinking up our attack.
A cdm because again we simply have no gifted cdm, that's 3 signings that will probably cost a lot as I'm hoping they will be ready made first teamers but it's hardly signing a whole new team.
You could then have
Martial left
New signing right
New striker
The bench
Rashford
Mhiki
Mata
As an example, I don't see a place or need for Defoe
I actaully agree with all of this, except I'd still take Defoe to avoid Fellani playing up front at some point in another season.
Do you know who else would be ideal for those kinds of games? Young lads from the academy rather than Jermaine old man Defoe.
Well there is that ha
Would rather sign ibrahimovic for free in January again once he has recovered.
Talk about putting a plaster on a cut that needs stitches. He's 34 and with a team that has just been relegated, set the bar a bit higher. Be surprised if zlatan and Rooney still at the club next season, bite the bullet and bring in two quality forwards. It's about addressing the issues and not gambling on a quick fix. We should be looking at the best striker's in Europe, not getting substandard player's because they are cheap.
Lukaku Rashford ibra Defoe.. fine for me. Plays games score 4 cost nothing win win
I cannot believe that 2/3rds of Utd fans don't want a proven goalscorer on a free transfer! Look at the lads figures for Sunderland!
Imagine bringing Defoe off the bench in any of our XI home draws this season and how many more points we would potentially had with a poacher like Defoe in the side
SAF always had 4 top strikers. Keep Rashford, sign two younger, bigger names and add Defoe on a free
Imagine bringing Defoe off the bench in any of our XI home draws this season and how many more points we would potentially had with a poacher like Defoe in the side
SAF always had 4 top strikers. Keep Rashford, sign two younger, bigger names and add Defoe on a free
Defoe?
The feck is wrong with this forum?
The feck is wrong with this forum?
Do you know who else would be ideal for those kinds of games? Young lads from the academy rather than Jermaine old man Defoe.
that's not really Jose's form is it. He seems to like to bring in proven, experienced strikers for short periods. He brought Eto to Chelsea, Falcoa to Chelsea and even Adebayor to Real for a while. I'd love to see young lads from the academy get a run out in the cups but it ain't happening with Jose.
did you have any particular striker in mind from the academy you want to see in the cups?
Yes, 100%.
OPTIONS for the full season:
- New striker (megabucks, first choice)
- Rashford
- Defoe
- Martial in emergencies.
I'd be happy with that.
OPTIONS for the full season:
- New striker (megabucks, first choice)
- Rashford
- Defoe
- Martial in emergencies.
I'd be happy with that.
Seriously. He's not the player we need to be looking at.
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