I don't know why the bad things Hernandez did get remembered but the moments when he does good things such as the headed one two's with Rooney in the first half get forgotten. You would have thought from some of the comments in this thread that Hernandez never retrieved the ball once in this game, never made a successful pass in this game. Actually yes whilst he made some obvious errors it was not a terrible performance from him. He's had worse e.g. Norwich away where virtually nothing came off for him. Talking about his first half performance...who actually was sparkling in the first half? A lot of players misplaced five yard passes. Its not like Chico was the only one and we should be glad that he went on to have a good game and that his touch didn't desert him at the most crucial moments: in front of goal. The second one particularly he made look easy when there are plenty of other forwards who would've shanked that over.
Javier Hernandez | 2011/12 Performances
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Exactly. He has scored a fair few important goals for us so far this season, the late equalisers away to Chelsea & Liverpool, the 1-0 away to Everton & the 1-0 away to Swansea spring to mind. I reckon there is a few more in him too before the end of the season.
Where did I say that? You're bitching and moaning about the poor link up play of a forward who isn't a link-up forward. He's a goal scorer, he scores goals. That's why he's in the team.
I'm not expecting him to be Lionel Messi but his link up play still needs to be at a decent level to justify his selection. Today it was very poor and that's why he won't be in the team for the next game. Ok?
He scored two goals, he'll feature in the next game, poor link-up play or not. Ok?
lovers tiff? 
He has his flaws Javier but maybe should have got a hat trick which says everything. Once he improves technically, he'll hopefully he a top player. As it is, he's always capable of grabbing a goal
He has his flaws Javier but maybe should have got a hat trick which says everything. Once he improves technically, he'll hopefully he a top player. As it is, he's always capable of grabbing a goalHe might come off the bench if he's lucky due to his poor link-up play today. Ok?
I thought he was pretty terrible, up until his goals, nothing seemed to be going right for him from his touch, to passing, to pretty much everything then he got knocked out in the box. His 2 goals were exactly what we have come to expect of the lad, proper clinical finishing and it's a pity he couldn't have left with the match ball today.
That's not good enough for a striker at a top club. What if he doesn't score in the last minute?
To be fair to Hernandez, he obviously knows that he has to contribute more than goals, hence he is improving his all round play.
I feel he had a good game. His contribution to the game may not be flawless but he did get us those two goals with his predatory instincts, something which the team lack sometimes.
Why is he being compared to Messi??
If you played 4-5-1 and punted long ball's up to Messi he'd be a very average striker. If you played him in an out and out left wing role in a 4-4-2 he'd probably not score as many goals as he does.
Hernandez is a natural poacher and while it's not always effective to sacrifice link-up and buildup for a natural poacher there are times when his poaching instincts get him goals and that is just as important to the team as good link up play is when Welbeck doesn't net.
Why isn't this logic applied to all players in our team? Why is Valencia's one trick method tolerated?
Valencia's "one-dimensional", but he's a good footballer, certainly far better than Hernandez. With Hernandez its not that he has one potent weapon in his arsenal, its that he's a poor footballer - he so clearly has difficulty with basics like controlling the ball, keeping possession or understanding his teammates' movement. When you're Manchester United and you're chasing trophies, you're going to play a lot of tough games in which not only will Hernandez have very few opportunities to poach, but his distinct ineptitude on the ball will have a far-reaching impact on our ability to use the ball effectively as he's in a position prominent in attack. You can get away with your striker invariably ending attacks against bottom of the table Wolves, but against Bilbao, for example, you'll be played off the park.
If he bags us 20 goals a season Fergie won't and even then, I think he has alot more still to come given he's only 23 years old.
without injuries he'd still be looking at a 15-20 goals already. To have 12 in such a stop start season is fantastic and with 9 games left, I still feel he has 5 or 6 left in him. He and Welbeck will be far more dangerous next season.
Combine his finishing and Welbecks everything else and we have a world class striker
Combine his finishing and Welbecks everything else and we have a world class striker
And his heading, and positional play, and his pace...Welbeck is far from a complete player.
This is a particularly fecking stupid line in amongst a post which qualifies as complete dross.
Are you saying Danny lacks pace and doesn't take up good positions? Who the h-e-double hockey sticks have you been watching?
I'm glad Chich got his goals yesterday as he was really struggling, as he has done all season tbh. I said at the start of the season he'd find things hard this year and so it's proved for one reason or another, I have no doubts he'll show his first season form again next year though he's too good a player not to
2nd season syndrome. It happens, he'll get over it. He's still scored 11 league goal this season, that's a third of what Liverpool have managed all season
You're exaggerating.
That's one term for it.
No I'm saying Hernandez is superior in all those areas. Whereas sylar only considered him superior in finishing.
Combine his finishing and Welbecks everything else and we have a world class striker
I already said that. Plagiarist.
I think he's like Ian Rush and Pippo Inzaghi. Can't pass, can't dribble,. Gets offside more often than not. Dodgy first touch.
but somehow or rather keeps plugging away, gets deflected goals, tap ins, fox in the box if you like.
but somehow or rather keeps plugging away, gets deflected goals, tap ins, fox in the box if you like.
Surprised to see so much criticism in this thread, I thought his overall play wasn't bad at all yesterday.
I can't quite fathom the increasing criticism of Hernandez to be honest, he had the same limitations last season when he was considered great. He's scoring records diminished slightly and now everyone's focus is on slating his 'overall play' at every opportunity, is this just a 'we prefer danny' thing?
I can't quite fathom the increasing criticism of Hernandez to be honest, he had the same limitations last season when he was considered great. He's scoring records diminished slightly and now everyone's focus is on slating his 'overall play' at every opportunity, is this just a 'we prefer danny' thing?
I should hope not, they couldn't be any more different.
Yup. Black and white.
I dont hence the smiley.
I was just making the statement based on what most have been saying in previous posts.
Personall, im happy to have both players in our team especially since they are both still so young and have areas they can and will improve.
Saha was nowhere near as good as Ruud. This bit is very misleading. Ruud just fell out with the manager and his attitude wavered and it was best for both parties to move on. Saha could never truly displace one of the best strikers of that generation purely on performances.
There seems to be two schools of thought on that point. I have no documentary evidence for my view so I won't argue it.
Too often in sports, people get caught up in things that don't matter.
How fast does he run. How high does he jump. How much does he bench.
The question is. When he is playing does he score goals.
He does.
How fast does he run. How high does he jump. How much does he bench.
The question is. When he is playing does he score goals.
He does.
thats not completely right either. Ruud did lose his place, and then fell out. Its a bit of both. Saha was pretty good. There is a very margin which makes a player great, and another just very good. And for a short time, the two can interchange, without there being an permanent impression of the occurrence in the mind of the general observer, who already has fixed categories in his head. Not saying Saha is better than Ruud, but for a short time he was more effective in the team, so much so that Ruud became dispensable taking into consideration the other members who were developing then.
Great to see him getting back on the scoresheet with a couple of goals. It should help to do his confidence the world of good as we go into the final run-in.
Every time I open this thread he's getting torn up, weird. Anyway I thought he played well enough, he has some off touches for sure but is always a threat and works hard, great to see him get back amongst the goals.
I thought he was pretty frustrating before his goals, like he has been some times this year.
There seems to be two sides to Chicharito. One is when he gets the ball in a goal scoring position. Then he is calm, has a touch and makes the right decision.
The second is when he gets the ball and there is no goal scoring chance. No matter where in the field he gets the ball, when it isn't a goal scoring chance, he seems to stress a lot on the ball. He misses touches, misplaces passes and all in all just seems stressed and wanting to get rid of the ball as fast as possible. Our second goal was a pretty good example to be fair. Welbeck heads it out, Chicharito traps it poorly, has a poor second touch before he manages to play the ball to Rooney. The end product was good there, but he just seems stressed.
He is not poor technically I think. He also has a tremendous work ethic, and runs at everything. If he can calm himself down on the ball a bit I think more of his all round game would improve.
There seems to be two sides to Chicharito. One is when he gets the ball in a goal scoring position. Then he is calm, has a touch and makes the right decision.
The second is when he gets the ball and there is no goal scoring chance. No matter where in the field he gets the ball, when it isn't a goal scoring chance, he seems to stress a lot on the ball. He misses touches, misplaces passes and all in all just seems stressed and wanting to get rid of the ball as fast as possible. Our second goal was a pretty good example to be fair. Welbeck heads it out, Chicharito traps it poorly, has a poor second touch before he manages to play the ball to Rooney. The end product was good there, but he just seems stressed.
He is not poor technically I think. He also has a tremendous work ethic, and runs at everything. If he can calm himself down on the ball a bit I think more of his all round game would improve.
This is a particularly fecking stupid line in amongst a post which qualifies as complete dross.
Thanks for sharing man. Its a good thing for you that you didn't elaborate, otherwise I'm sure you'd have produced a stand-out piece of quality rubbish that would have put this silly post of yours in its proper perspective.
Maybe. But what's also true is that Hernandez' proponents underestimate the impact his underdeveloped game has on our attack.
Get on the phone to the manager.
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