Javier Hernandez | 2011/12 Performances

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He's been okayish, far from useless.

That said, we dont utilize him in the best manner at all. not even close. he keeps making runs behind defences only for us to spray the ball wide and look for the cross. Just wish we'd sign a CM who wouldnt be afraid to thread in through balls or balls over the defence. with his pace and finishing, he'd be deadly.
 
Varun_Utd said:
He's been okayish, far from useless.

That said, we dont utilize him in the best manner at all. not even close. he keeps making runs behind defences only for us to spray the ball wide and look for the cross. Just wish we'd sign a CM who wouldnt be afraid to thread in through balls or balls over the defence. with his pace and finishing, he'd be deadly.
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That's what Giggs is in CM for, usually he does it well but as you've seen when it doesn't work out he looks stupid. If we kept the ball better as a team last night Hernandez might have had more to feed off.
 
ArmchairCritic said:
That's what Giggs is in CM for, usually he does it well but as you've seen when it doesn't work out he looks stupid. If we kept the ball better as a team last night Hernandez might have had more to feed off.
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Yes,all true but giggs is not a regular starter and not a part of the long term future of the club. we'd need a new creative player who isnt afraid to thread through the middle to get the best out of our forward line.
 
Varun_Utd said:
Yes,all true but giggs is not a regular starter and not a part of the long term future of the club. we'd need a new creative player who isnt afraid to thread through the middle to get the best out of our forward line.
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Depends how we want to shape up though, I expected more from Rooney creatively this season, he should be a 20 goal-20 assist man from in behind the striker.
 
He's just so incredibly out of his depth when he's asked to contribute to our build-up play. When he plays, we usually sacrifice a man in our build-up for a finisher. His vision is poor, and his awareness is terrible. His hold-up play is basically non-existant.

Which means he shouldn't really play in matches we don't control, because he doesn't offer us that out ball that say Welbeck or Rooney does. We need front player who can offer a ball for our midfielders in matches we aren't on the front foot in.

He looks rushed and out of confidence outside the box.
 
ArmchairCritic said:
Depends how we want to shape up though, I expected more from Rooney creatively this season, he should be a 20 goal-20 assist man from in behind the striker.
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The assists arent going to come if the first thing in his mind when he gets the ball is to look for a winger. That is what he does or is instructed to do which is why we either need to ask him to look for balls through the middle or sign someone who does so naturally. Most of our goals come through service from out wide, so its pretty natural Rooney wont have many assists. I've been very happy with him this season to be fair, has stood up and been accountable in big games when we've needed him. You're right, more direct assists would be great but that, as i said, has more to do with how we play.

Also, vs most teams in the PL, a creative CM ala modric who's comfortable in a 2 man midfield along with Carrick with Ronney and another striker ahead of him would work fine.
 
We've always known he's an Ole - get the ball to him in the 18 and he scores. What we need though is for him to learn how to find the game when it's not finding him. A top four PL striker cannot rest on his goals alone. He has to dig in and make a difference. His hold up play still is not great and that's what we need from him. We also need him to find spaces on the wings more. Staying in the middle is too easy to defend when you have two strikers marking him.

If I'm our opponent and I see he's playing, I'm high pressuring our midfield to starve him of service.

We must get a forward passing midfielder. Carrick for all his worth just doesn't do those passes any longer. Anderson does but he's always injured and his success rate with forward passes is 50% at best. Scholes does but it's getting harder for him to find enough space to pick out that kind of pass with his legs slowly giving out. Cleverly was doing it before his injury - let's hope he does it again. And Giggs' passing has just be woeful across the board. Drop Rooney in midfield again - at least he can pass creatively.
 
marjen said:
Which means he shouldn't really play in matches we don't control
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Problem is, you never know for sure if we'll control the match. We had almost absolute control at Blackburn; At Wigan, at times, they had almost total control. This can't go on.
 
Varun_Utd said:
The assists arent going to come if the first thing in his mind when he gets the ball is to look for a winger. That is what he does or is instructed to do which is why we either need to ask him to look for balls through the middle or sign someone who does so naturally. Most of our goals come through service from out wide, so its pretty natural Rooney wont have many assists. I've been very happy with him this season to be fair, has stood up and been accountable in big games when we've needed him. You're right, more direct assists would be great but that, as i said, has more to do with how we play.

Also, vs most teams in the PL, a creative CM ala modric who's comfortable in a 2 man midfield along with Carrick with Ronney and another striker ahead of him would work fine.
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That's the thing though, there's no point getting a Creative CM if we want to get the ball out wide. We need more incision in central areas I agree, but we can do that by getting more balance in our play. Nani's return will help, no disrespect to Young but Nani has far more variety in his game. I think ball retention is more important really, we need someone who can control the pace of the game from the middle. Cleverley might be able to do this, Pogba might be able to do this but there are questions over both of them. We need a specific style of player.
 
ArmchairCritic said:
That's the thing though, there's no point getting a Creative CM if we want to get the ball out wide. We need more incision in central areas I agree, but we can do that by getting more balance in our play. Nani's return will help, no disrespect to Young but Nani has far more variety in his game. I think ball retention is more important really, we need someone who can control the pace of the game from the middle. Cleverley might be able to do this, Pogba might be able to do this but there are questions over both of them. We need a specific style of player.
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Yep, getting a modric just to spray it out would be a massive waste. But, with their natural inclination and ability to spot a run and thread the ball, i'd think they'd play with more variety hence getting more from the likes of hernandez in particular and welbeck.

I do agree about what you're saying though. Getting Nani on the left will be a massive boost with his quality and variety. That said, i do think the likes of rooney should be encouraged to look for more through balls too. He has the passing range to do it, why not encourage it rather than continuing to look for our wingers every time.
 
I don't think we need to worry about that so much, once we have everyone fit in most games having Rooney playing in the hole with Welbeck ahead should work very well. As you guys said Nani is an important player for us and adds an extra dimension to the attack. Getting in another midfielder who can come in alongside Carrick, is physically at their peak etc, will give us much more control and balance in the middle, which should give the likes of Rooney a better platform to work off.

Then from there we have options in Clev/Giggs who can come in, in the attacking midfielder role, Young who can play either flank. I would say though getting in another attacker, particularly someone who can come in for Rooney would be good though.
 
Poor Hernandez, his only half chance versus Wigan came early on in the script, when he tried to turn inside the last man but just failed to make it , after that, he had nada to feed on.

Teams have sussed us out with Hernandez starting for us, they just defend deep and leave no space for him to run into behind....... he/we need to work out some alternative strategies that he can be effective with.
 
misterredmist said:
Poor Hernandez, his only half chance versus Wigan came early on in the script, when he tried to turn inside the last man but just failed to make it , after that, he had nada to feed on.

Teams have sussed us out with Hernandez starting for us, they just defend deep and leave no space for him to run into behind....... he/we need to work out some alternative strategies that he can be effective with.
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Wigan did not defend deep at all.
 
Our midfield isn't good at times, but that can't be answer for his awful touch/technique.
Hernandez is good poacher, but Welbeck and Berbatov are miles ahead of him in in all round game, and it's sad to see Berbatov on the bench because of Hernandez. It isn't surprising we are looking like playing with 10 players at times when hernandez is playing.
 
He's suffered from the second season syndrome that is so often talked about. Let's hope that next season is better.
 
ruddevil said:
With the midfield we were having against Wigan, we would need player like Tevez partnering Rooney to have a chance of opening their defense.
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Indeed, we need a striker who can "create" goals on his own when the midfield is having a poor game.Sadly none of our strikers have that great and rare ability
 
kouroux said:
Indeed, we need a striker who can "create" goals on his own when the midfield is having a poor game.Sadly none of our strikers have that great and rare ability
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Dare I say it a certain player at Liverpool would have been a good fit (before his move from Holland)!
 
Garethw said:
He's suffered from the second season syndrome that is so often talked about. Let's hope that next season is better.
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I think it depends on his fitness. This season is somewhat of a write-off for him, being in and out of the team so much can only hinder him.
Lawman said:
Dare I say it a certain player at Liverpool would have been a good fit (before his move from Holland)!
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Kuyt? Hardly.
 
Neither him or Welbeck have looked too shit-hot recently but the service has also been too one dimensional, it's all down the wings all the time.
 
Forget about the way we play, whether we control games or not, whether we play fast or slow, whether he has service, whether we have wingers.

His play anywhere outside the box is terrible, he's out of his depth at this level, bad control, can't keep hold of it, can't hardly pass either.

He has to improve on all those aspects and that's all there is to it if he wants to make it here even as a fourth choice.

He's done well last season so maybe its a confidence thing, but i think its affected him in the box too.

He won't last long at united if his all round game doesn't improve, goals or no goals. And all this from a chicharito fan-boi
 
Skholesy said:
Forget about the way we play, whether we control games or not, whether we play fast or slow, whether he has service, whether we have wingers.

His play anywhere outside the box is terrible, he's out of his depth at this level, bad control, can't keep hold of it, can't hardly pass either.

He has to improve on all those aspects and that's all there is to it if he wants to make it here even as a fourth choice.

He's done well last season so maybe its a confidence thing, but i think its affected him in the box too.

He won't last long at united if his all round game doesn't improve, goals or no goals. And all this from a chicharito fan-boi
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shame we didnt sell him to madrid :(
 
Some people in this thread are really exaggerrating about him. Yes, he hasn't been playing well lately. Yes, his all-round game is terribe. Newsflash. He's a poacher! Some gifted poachers have good all-round games, but a lot of them are notoriously known for being players who just stick the ball in the back of the net.

Now, Hernandez hasn't been doing that lately, however that suddenly doesn't make him a bad player. He's already shown us in the past that he has the goalscoring ability. I'm sure he'll be able to find some form again soon enough.
 
I see some improvement in his link up play and while it isn't on the level of Berbatov's or Welbeck's, it is an improvement from last season where he barely got involved at all.

I mentioned in another thread that it's obvious that Danny Welbeck is the chosen one, like Hernandez was the second half of last season. So even when Hernandez does well and scores, he'll be back on the bench the next game for Welbeck. It's hard for a striker to get into form when they are in and out like that. That's why alot of strikers who went from smaller clubs to bigger ones and are part of a rotation, never produce the way the did before.
 
He's a different option that will be needed against different opposition.
 
Our handling of Berbatov seems incredibly stupid now with both Hernandez and Welbeck having slumps of form. At least he adds something when hes not scoring goals. Hernandez in particular is absolutely pointless when he doesnt get service.
 
There's no doubt he hasn't hit the heights he did last season in front of goal but his approach play really has come on a lot. That's one of the positives I'll be taking from the season.
 
He's getting some ridiculous flack from some gimps in the match thread, really hope he bags himself a goal or two in the second half.

Hopefully SAF will sort him a summer off and he'll have more luck with injuries next season. He's a cracking little striker.
 
R_Kelly said:
He's getting some ridiculous flack from some gimps in the match thread, really hope he bags himself a goal or two in the second half.

Hopefully SAF will sort him a summer off and he'll have more luck with injuries next season. He's a cracking little striker.
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Done well so far to my eyes picked up the ball under pressure a few times and managed to lay it off to Young on the turn virtually every time. Only pass from him that was misplaced was early on to Scholes. Unlucky with the ball that got deflected off Scholesy too that touch changed the flight of the ball. He's likely today I reckon.
 
He's definitely going to score today.
 
We know he can do it. He needs to have another iffy season before people start writing him off. He's been injured/in and out of the team. neither of which is conducive to form.
 
R_Kelly said:
He's getting some ridiculous flack from some gimps in the match thread, really hope he bags himself a goal or two in the second half.

Hopefully SAF will sort him a summer off and he'll have more luck with injuries next season. He's a cracking little striker.
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Me too. He needs a break. He was unlucky that he had that head injury on the preseason tour so he didn't have a decent preseason with the team before this season began, and when he has played this season it's been in little spells rather than playing in a few games or so in a row which isn't ideal.

Do Mexico have any international games this summer apart from the Olympics (he'll probably be in that squad)?
 
I'm not a fan of Hernandez, there, I said it! He is too one-dimentional imo, Welbeck can at least wiggle past a defender and create something for himself/others, Hernandez is too reliant on being fed on a plate.
 
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