orangeboom999
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Maguire 2.0. Probably a bit simplified, that. But not a huge fan. He's got a mistake in him, and the values being knocked about are outrageous
Maguire 2.0. Probably a bit simplified, that. But not a huge fan. He's got a mistake in him, and the values being knocked about are outrageous
The best CB and GK of the last 10 years both have mistakes in them.
So would you buy him for your club for £70m or move on to someone who represents better value, and is probably a better player?
£35m + Maguire is the deal here!
Swaps never happen, but McTominay and Pellistri strike me as players who might play their best football under Dyche since McTominay can be a #10 for them in Dyche's system and Pellistri's most similar player on FBref is actually Jack Harrison, and just being a traditional winger on the right looking to get some crosses in probably suits him best. Wan-Bissaka would fix their hole at RB, too. So a swap isn't crazy if if it works out.
Maguire 2.0. Probably a bit simplified, that. But not a huge fan. He's got a mistake in him, and the values being knocked about are outrageous
Maguire has been one of the best defenders in the league btw whenever he's got a run of games...I love how there's so many reluctant posters coming up with this reason as if that's a reason to avoid Branthwaite
You've got a very short memory. Maguire became absolute meme-worthy for a long spell after an appalling season last year.
It's to his absolute credit how he's performed for a lot of this season - albeit with the disclaimer we're a team operating in 8th and maybe that's the level of club he looks good in?
But surely you can see that 80million was criminally overpaying, which is why some are alarmed the fee for Branthwaite could be similar.
I don't care that Maguire was a laughing stock for people who don't watch United games and get their opinions from scrolling through football meme pages. Maguire was one of the best defenders in the PL in his last couple of seasons at Leicester, and then his first two seasons for us. Then we had a nightmare season where he was admittedly bad, just like every other player in the squad. After that, ETH joined and Maguire hasn't been a starter ever since. He's still that same player of pre-2021/22, though.
And no, 80m wasn't a criminal overpay. If we overpaid, it was by 10 or 20 million at most. Most big defenders have gone for very big fees since the van Dijk transfer, more specifically very similar profiles to Maguire such as de Ligt or Dias. How much do you think would've been a fair value for a 26 year old, English centre half that had been one of the best defenders in the league for a few seasons at that point, had been an established English international for some time, is a great organizer, huge physical presence, and a leader on the pitch as well? The best environment for him to perform in was Ole's two full seasons, and he did perform very well. Out of the last 3 seasons since then, two have been absolute disasters, but Maguire hasn't been a starter in two of them, so there isn't that much to judge him on. You know what, I'd even argue that he was the best defender in the whole league in the 2020/21 campaign, after van Dijk suffered an ACL injury in October, or at least top 3.
Pellistri is the antidote of Dyche football if you ask me. Light, likes a good dribble, not reliable every game.
Maguire 2.0. Probably a bit simplified, that. But not a huge fan. He's got a mistake in him, and the values being knocked about are outrageous
Maguire 2.0. Probably a bit simplified, that. But not a huge fan. He's got a mistake in him, and the values being knocked about are outrageous
Maguire has been one of the best defenders in the league btw whenever he's got a run of games...I love how there's so many reluctant posters coming up with this reason as if that's a reason to avoid Branthwaite
Yes but that’s also kind of the point. I’d much rather a player who is used to being on the ball and duelling 1v1 with the capability to defend opens spaces that for me doesn’t represent a massive compromise on either the physical or technical requirements we have.
Diomande has had time to play the kind of role and perform the actions we need. Only a small example but Everton launch the ball from GKs ~60% of the time according to Fbref compared to Sporting who do it ~27% of the time.
I think we need a LCB option depending on what happens with Maguire and Lindelof. I’d imagine at least one is sold (my money on Lindelof) and then id expect a LB to be signed. Whether this LB is a starter will then influence what we do at LCB.
Conceivably we could have:
RB: Dalot, AWB
RCB: New CB, Maguire
LCB: Martinez, New CB
LB: Shaw, New LB, Malacia
With Shaw able to rotate LCB.
They stoned Cassandra at the gates if Troy because she phropesized impending catastrophe in times of wealth and fair summers.We need a top class RCB and DM more, should have learned our lessons that a player being capable of playing to a good standard in a secondary role shouldn't lead us to spending huge sums of money on him and then expect him to shine consistently in that role. Unless we are putting more importance on the passport than is necessary he shouldn't be our primary target.
I am genuinely worried about the noises coming out of Ineos. We did this 'Buy British' nonsense four years ago and we are still paying. Ole was our Southgate and it ended badly. They look like they want to repeat these mistakes and re-learn what we have painfully learned. Then the dithering on the much deserved ETH sack because of one game, this could be a disastrous rein from SJR.
I am genuinely worried about the noises coming out of Ineos. We did this 'Buy British' nonsense four years ago and we are still paying. Ole was our Southgate and it ended badly. They look like they want to repeat these mistakes and re-learn what we have painfully learned. Then the dithering on the much deserved ETH sack because of one game, this could be a disastrous rein from SJR.
He's had a good season, his best for us, but previous seasons he's been very poor.Maguire has been one of the best defenders in the league btw whenever he's got a run of games...I love how there's so many reluctant posters coming up with this reason as if that's a reason to avoid Branthwaite
What if he’s available for £45m because Everton need to sell before 30th June to avoid point deduction, would you be keen us spending £45m on a centre back who can use both of his feet to cover RCB and LCB?So would you buy him for your club for £70m or move on to someone who represents better value, and is probably a better player?
Liverpool's are mostly a mixture of academy graduates and reasonably priced players like Robertson, who is one of the best value for money signings around. City with Foden, academy graduate, Grealish and Phillips who are expensive flops and then Stones and Walker who were expensive but great signings - a mixed bag we can't afford to replicate ourselves given where we are.You realise Liverpool, City and Arsenal all have a strong British contingent in their line-up?
Liverpool's are mostly a mixture of academy graduates and reasonably priced players like Robertson, who is one of the best value for money signings around. City with Foden, academy graduate, Grealish and Phillips who are expensive flops and then Stones and Walker who were expensive but great signings - a mixed bag we can't afford to replicate ourselves given where we are.
I'd rather we follow Liverpool's approach and build up our British contingent, which is very key in itself, from Carrington and not spend upwards of £50m on an LCB who could be useful on the right but won't ever be comfortable enough to be world class on the right. Considering this, I'd rather we take a hard pass on this and not be motivated by his nationality at the expense of the team's needs.
From The Athletic:
Jarrad Branthwaite is a player of interest but Everton are expected to demand a considerable fee for the left-sided centre-half, rating the 21-year-old in the same bracket as the likes of Harry Maguire, Wesley Fofana and Josko Gvardiol, all of whom were sold in recent summers for fees of over £75million.
Any idea that he could be available for £45m or thereabouts because of Everton's PSR situation might be a little fanciful. The article goes on to say that we're (unsurprisingly) prioritising a right-sider, with Todibo name dropped.
In any case, I don't think we can really afford £75m-odd for a position we aren't prioritising.
As I said before, the talk of 40m fees and fire sales came from The Sun and Talksport. Go figure.
Calafiori (Bologna) and Buongiorno (Torino) seem to be the two most highly rated Italian LCBs atm. Both available for way less than JB.Massively overrated... nowhere near Varane's class. I thought we were looking for upgrades: I'm sure there must be an Italian CB who is getting on a bit who would be a better bet
I don't know him enough. But Rio at his age was seen as a player who has a mistake in him and we paid a lof of money for him (though he was obviously more experienced).
Because clubs like them take multiple chances on these players and develop them. We don’t have opportunity to give them a full season of football before they are ready.How are we not buying these players as Everton does, for 1 million? Now, we have to pay at least 55 times that.